God and Religion: a PWI search for truth.

Drmelvin - Heavens Tear

Ok prove it, Go make a virgin girl pregnant

sixtyfour

Hmmmmmm...no can do.
Find me a virgin girl & I will. I'm too tired to be performing miracles. Miracles do require effort you know. >_<

Nisanthro - Heavens Tear

I think the problem is many (or even most) people think God is an actual person sitting in the clouds or whatever, some kind of physical force or something like that. But he is not. Many say they will not believe in God until they see him, or his action actually affecting our world. If you say God has done nothing for you or he was not there when something terrible happened etc. it just means you cannot or dont want to see his presence. We are only humans and our ability to perceive this world is very limited (I am not talking about the physical aspect of it.)

If you cannot see something it doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

I am not Christian nor do I believe in God described by any of the religions. But there is Something there. Without It our world wouldnt work at all.

Angelical - Heavens Tear

Everything in the universe is consciousness. Space and time in all planes of reality are only projections within universal consciousness. There really is no here or there for everything is at one place where Mind is. Mind does not move at all. Mind simply Is. Mind is everywhere yet nowhere. Mind is nowhere but Here, Now. We are all existing together as a singularity in one place and time. Everything is one, Here and Now.

Several events in different places that are moving in synchronization may actually be the movements of the same event. Imagine a fighter jet flying in the sky, with several video cameras recording its movements from different angles. Each recording is displayed on different screens. When the fighter jet displayed on one screen turns or moves in a different direction, all other fighter jets in the other screens simultaneously move in a correlated manner.

Every day experience is a projected reality where things only appear to be separated in time and space. In a deeper reality, we are all members of the same body. When one part of the body moves, every other part is instantly affected. Separation is an illusion. There is a dimension of reality where we are all inseparably one. When we feel love in any form, it has the effect of beginning to shatter that illusion.

When two electrons collide, they exchange energy and information with each other. From then onwards, no matter where one electron is, you will be able to tell the location and momentum of the other. When a change occurs in one electron, it will immediately be reflected in the other. You are always able to know in one, what is going on in the other. When you cause change in one, you cause change in the other. We exchange portions of our energy fields with each other when we come into contact, therefore we remain inseparably connected at all times.

Imagine the universe is an ocean and each of us is a wave in that ocean. The wave and the ocean are the same. We are the universe localized in a single point in spacetime. The soul has two parts. It is both local and nonlocal. Part of you is localized and part of you is nonlocal, and connected to everything. You are the universe, located in your body. Not all your thoughts, wishes and desires are actually your thoughts, wishes and desires. Part of them are the very intentions of the universe.

The spirit in me is the same as the spirit in you, and the spirit in all beings. Enlightenment is the realization that you are the universal spirit observing from a particular point of view. Each of us is the universal spirit projecting a particular point of view. My self is inseparable from all that exists, just as your self is inseparable from all that exists. You are an aspect of infinite intelligence, and infinite intelligence is the source of all that exist. Therefore you are the source of all that exist and you create your own experience. Everything is possible because everything exists within you. The same unbounded potential of the infinite spirit also resides in each and every one of us.

Your soul is the reflection of all souls. You are the Other. Without the other, you would not exist. You are defined by your relationships with others. You would need to describe the whole universe in order to define a single person. Therefore every single person is the whole universe. Your soul is both personal and universal at the same time. Everyone is a reflection of yourself. You are in a hall of mirrors where every reflection of yourself appears different. Others you admire reflect the qualities you most cherish in yourself. Others you detest reflect the qualities you most deny in yourself. Each person you see is a different version of you.

All the cells in your body start from just one cell. That one cell in the womb is fertilized, grows and divides into two. The two cells grow and divide into four. This process happens fifty times until there are one hundred thousand billion cells in your body. That

Zephyrx - Lost City

Angelical - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Everything in the universe is consciousness. Space and time in all planes of reality are only projections within universal consciousness. There really is no here or there for everything is at one place where Mind is. Mind does not move at all. Mind simply Is. Mind is everywhere yet nowhere. Mind is nowhere but Here, Now. We are all existing together as a singularity in one place and time. Everything is one, Here and Now.

Several events in different places that are moving in synchronization may actually be the movements of the same event. Imagine a fighter jet flying in the sky, with several video cameras recording its movements from different angles. Each recording is displayed on different screens. When the fighter jet displayed on one screen turns or moves in a different direction, all other fighter jets in the other screens simultaneously move in a correlated manner.

Every day experience is a projected reality where things only appear to be separated in time and space. In a deeper reality, we are all members of the same body. When one part of the body moves, every other part is instantly affected. Separation is an illusion. There is a dimension of reality where we are all inseparably one. When we feel love in any form, it has the effect of beginning to shatter that illusion.

When two electrons collide, they exchange energy and information with each other. From then onwards, no matter where one electron is, you will be able to tell the location and momentum of the other. When a change occurs in one electron, it will immediately be reflected in the other. You are always able to know in one, what is going on in the other. When you cause change in one, you cause change in the other. We exchange portions of our energy fields with each other when we come into contact, therefore we remain inseparably connected at all times.

Imagine the universe is an ocean and each of us is a wave in that ocean. The wave and the ocean are the same. We are the universe localized in a single point in spacetime. The soul has two parts. It is both local and nonlocal. Part of you is localized and part of you is nonlocal, and connected to everything. You are the universe, located in your body. Not all your thoughts, wishes and desires are actually your thoughts, wishes and desires. Part of them are the very intentions of the universe.

The spirit in me is the same as the spirit in you, and the spirit in all beings. Enlightenment is the realization that you are the universal spirit observing from a particular point of view. Each of us is the universal spirit projecting a particular point of view. My self is inseparable from all that exists, just as your self is inseparable from all that exists. You are an aspect of infinite intelligence, and infinite intelligence is the source of all that exist. Therefore you are the source of all that exist and you create your own experience. Everything is possible because everything exists within you. The same unbounded potential of the infinite spirit also resides in each and every one of us.

Your soul is the reflection of all souls. You are the Other. Without the other, you would not exist. You are defined by your relationships with others. You would need to describe the whole universe in order to define a single person. Therefore every single person is the whole universe. Your soul is both personal and universal at the same time. Everyone is a reflection of yourself. You are in a hall of mirrors where every reflection of yourself appears different. Others you admire reflect the qualities you most cherish in yourself. Others you detest reflect the qualities you most deny in yourself. Each person you see is a different version of you.

All the cells in your body start from just one cell. That one cell in the womb is fertilized, grows and divides into two. The two cells grow and divide into four. This process happens fifty times until there are one hundred thousand billion cells in your body. That

Why teh copy pasta?

Oldbear - Sanctuary

Drmelvin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Do you realise what you just said? Showing himself wont prove he exists? But ok staying invisible is the way to prove you exist just like this invisible emote that im using at the end of my post, It must exist because its invisible right?

Yes I realize what I said. And I say all it could cause is that person who sees it starts to doubt in his own sanity. And thos who don't doubt just join the community of people out there, who are already claiming to have seen UFO's, angels, devils... some also claim to have been **** by them or other dirty deeds done to them. You name it they've seen it.
I'd say God has quite a competition if he wants to be mysterious being people have seen.

Drmelvin - Heavens Tear

Nisanthro - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I think the problem is many (or even most) people think God is an actual person sitting in the clouds or whatever, some kind of physical force or something like that. But he is not.

If you cannot see something it doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

I am not Christian nor do I believe in God described by any of the religions. But there is Something there. Without It our world wouldnt work at all.

First of all how can you be so sure that 'God' isnt a person sitting in the clouds if you havent seen it but then you go on to say that 'God' isnt even a physical force so that only leaves imagination right? 'God' is something what someone imagined thousands of years ago where they didnt have the medicine to make his mental illness better.

Secondly how can you say that seeing isnt believing? If you see something you have physical proof that it exists but if someone is bragging about an unknown object to you and they dont proove it exists by showing you then you cant believe it exists or am i wrong?

Lastly if you dont believe in a 'God' by any religion how can you say that something exists if you dont follow their ways? Also i would love to know how you think the world wouldnt work if there wasnt a 'God'? You would be able to see how the world would work without 'Gods' of any religion just by watching the news and looking at the war in Iraq. The world wouldnt have suicide bombers if 'God' didnt exist so surely thats a better way for the world to work right? Because 'God' told them to run and kill themselves along with others to gain a place in heaven.

Oldbear - Sanctuary

Drmelvin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

First of all how can you be so sure that 'God' isnt a person sitting in the clouds if you havent seen it but then you go on to say that 'God' isnt even a physical force so that only leaves imagination right? 'God' is something what someone imagined thousands of years ago where they didnt have the medicine to make his mental illness better.

Well sorry to disappoint you but many parachutists and airplane pilots have had plenty of close contacts with clouds. And in every time it has turned out that they are just too damn sparse. can't sit on it can't hit it...you just either fall right through or fly though. Sorry to disappoint you but a person can't sit on a cloud. About being a physical force or in other words - energy... hmm there's definitely a connection. A matter can become energy. and energy can become matter. And life formed out of matter exists.
The Big Bang theory says that a single dot in empty space that exploded in tremendous force and spreading matter all over the space, started Universe as we know it.
But one wonders- what was before it? what was there, before the matter came to be?
And since there is life that exists in form of matter, can there be life that has stayed into form of energy without transforming into matter first?
There's no way to tell. But asking such heretic questions in 21st century... heh my bad.

Edit: And about seeing is believing... what about the people who're born blind? Isn't it a bit complicated for them to believe that what they experience as the world and life is really there?

sixtyfour

I lol'd at your name. Is it some colloquialism of Pedo-Bear? :P

Drmelvin - Heavens Tear

Oldbear - Sanctuary wrote: »

And since there is life that exists in form of matter, can there be life that has stayed into form of energy without transforming into matter first?
There's no way to tell.

Edit: And about seeing is believing... what about the people who're born blind? Isn't it a bit complicated for them to believe that what they experience as the world and life is really there?

The creation of God was made in someones mind just like a cult but this cult has actually caught on and people are too stupid enough to actually believe it. There is no evidence across the world that God has ever done anything, but there is scientifical evidence everywhere including in the theory of the big bang.

The way i see it, someone made up a fictional being in their head which they felt they represented in life and tried to spread rules so everyone would obey them.

As for blind people, If God actually existed then surely he wouldnt want people to be blind or deaf and have to face the ridicule which they suffer.

sixtyfour

God = cake.

aryannamage

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