did rare pet spawn time got **** up?
Evga - Sanctuary
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I hope so, I'm sick of players taming them just to get rich based on their insane greed.Main characters
Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
Sage Barbarian Malego - 910 -
Umm ya. Even if it's not 4 hours after the servers came back online, you can expect all the farmers to know the exact time by the 2nd spawn. Sooo that leaves only 13 spawns a week they can farm/kill instead of 14.b:dirty0
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Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »I hope so, I'm sick of players taming them just to get rich based on their insane greed.
How much constitutes "insane greed"?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »How much constitutes "insane greed"?
Wiki says it is a skosh more than "healthy self-interest" and a pinch less than "the amount involved in a typical recording contract." Does that help?0 -
Bobncut - Sanctuary wrote: »Wiki says it is a skosh more than "healthy self-interest" and a pinch less than "the amount involved in a typical recording contract." Does that help?
If I was interested in what wiki had to say, yes, but I'm not, so no. Does that help?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Taming them just to get rich by selling them = greed. Period.
There are tons of venos that want them to use them. Making them buy the pets from you is greedy.Main characters
Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
Sage Barbarian Malego - 910 -
Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »Taming them just to get rich by selling them = greed. Period.
There are tons of venos that want them to use them. Making them buy the pets from you is greedy.
You're right. No one should tame them so that other classes can have all-class pets.
Oh wait...what?
Look, the only way other classes can have certain all-class pets is if someone tames the pets needed to make an all-class petegg. If no one ever does, then no one will have those all-class pets, and only venomancers can tame those pets to get the peteggs needed. You might not like that simple fact, but that's one of the reasons they are not cheap.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Nothing to do with all class pets. There are too many venos that show up, tame the pet, the put it in the AH a minute later. That is simply wrong.
Leave the pets for those who need them. No pets should ever be sold for more than the NPC cost of making the all class.Main characters
Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
Sage Barbarian Malego - 910 -
Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »Leave the pets for those who need them. No pets should ever be sold for more than the NPC cost of making the all class.
Agreed on the first sentence. But the problem with the second sentence is that if pet prices were that low, demand would far outnumber supply, and we'd be getting into arguments about how it's unfair that so-and-so got an egg but you didn't. Kinda like how everyone rushes to get into the stores at opening on Black Friday sales and fights over the merchandise.
The pet egg prices need to go up as the market dictates. That's the only way that the demand can equal the supply. As the price goes higher, fewer people decide they want the pet, until eventually the demand equals the supply. If we did it your way and had NPC prices for eggs, there would be huge lines and waiting lists for the eggs, making it inherently no fairer than raising their prices.
What's questionable is if some of the farmers are artificially restricting the supply to increase prices.0 -
Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »Nothing to do with all class pets. There are too many venos that show up, tame the pet, the put it in the AH a minute later. That is simply wrong.
Leave the pets for those who need them. No pets should ever be sold for more than the NPC cost of making the all class.
I guess you are ignoring the simple fact that it requires more than a single petegg to create an all-class petegg.
Example: to create the snow hare all class petegg it requires 5 snow hare peteggs from a mob that is on a 1 hour timer, and that is the fastest respawn time of the rare pets which tend to be on 12 hour timers. To top it off, there is usually a mob of venos waiting at each spawn time trying to tame the snow hare. Some even invest in -% channeling gear and such just to get their cast time down so they have a better shot at taming the snow hare.
What you are saying is that the venos time invested in obtaining the petegg is worthless since the only amount you are stating the all-class petegg is worth is the amount needed to actually craft it even though without the veno taking the time to get the peteggs required there would be no all-class petegg at all.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »Nothing to do with all class pets. There are too many venos that show up, tame the pet, the put it in the AH a minute later. That is simply wrong.
Leave the pets for those who need them. No pets should ever be sold for more than the NPC cost of making the all class.
I agree. When I was lvl 20 or so, I wanted to tame a kitty. however, I could NEVER take it because it was never there. @_@
All Class pets shouldn't exist. Plain and simple. They're useless as hell. All I see players saying is "Oooo look at me I wasted 400k+ on a pet that does NOTHING"....You call that classy? Sounds stupid if you ask me. I could waste my 400k on skills or pots faster than I can thinking of buying an all class pet...
Pets are better off with Venos...nuff said. >.>[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I'm curious as to when a rare pet became a 'need'. As far as I'm aware, many people have managed very well without the rare pets.
I'm also curious if Zoe is one of those venoes who think that killing a pet is better than letting those 'insanely-greedy' venoes tame it for resale.
I went to a couple of rare spawn points, saw a couple of ugly incidents and saw the ugly side of the veno class. That was the time I decided that I was fine without a rare pet.
Surprisingly though, I found a windwalking piggy egg in my mailbox not long after from one of the venoes being accused of 'insane greed'. And this veno was a perfect stranger to me. She also very kindly advised me of the spawn times of rare pets. Go figure.Phoenix plume count: 2450 b:sad
I want the phoenix because I think its pretty. b:cute0 -
Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »Leave the pets for those who need them.
No one needs a rare pet. There are a lot of people who want them. There is a world of difference between "need" and "want".0 -
Supossedly there is a +2 -@ hour built into the spawn time now.b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Ratinax - Sanctuary wrote: »All Class pets shouldn't exist. Plain and simple. They're useless as hell. All I see players saying is "Oooo look at me I wasted 400k+ on a pet that does NOTHING"....You call that classy? Sounds stupid if you ask me. I could waste my 400k on skills or pots faster than I can thinking of buying an all class pet...
Pets are better off with Venos...nuff said. >.>
Really? They stand around and say that? Seriously?
Or are you simply imagining they are doing so?
Besides, why worry/care about what other players do with their in-game coin? It's theirs to do with as they wish, and it's not for you to decide whether or not they were right/wrong in doing so.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I'm curious as to when a rare pet became a 'need'. As far as I'm aware, many people have managed very well without the rare pets.
I'm also curious if Zoe is one of those venoes who think that killing a pet is better than letting those 'insanely-greedy' venoes tame it for resale.
I went to a couple of rare spawn points, saw a couple of ugly incidents and saw the ugly side of the veno class. That was the time I decided that I was fine without a rare pet.
Surprisingly though, I found a windwalking piggy egg in my mailbox not long after from one of the venoes being accused of 'insane greed'. And this veno was a perfect stranger to me. She also very kindly advised me of the spawn times of rare pets. Go figure.
actually zoe has been quoted as saying that killing a rare pet is the same as murdering someone in real life.0 -
I think the prices of Rare pets are going up with the increase of players.
But i dont mind lol. I got my kitten for free from a friend ^^
I can only use it with my veno though T-TFacebook.com/foxi187
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Well, whichever it was, I'm glad because I have seen and heard venoes who kill pets rather than let the so-called 'insanely greedy' veno tame it for resale.
Ironically they don't seem to realise that the more they kill, the rarer the pet, the higher the price, the more these 'insanely greedy' venoes profit.
Personally I think it is selfish to kill a rare pet, regardless of the reason.Phoenix plume count: 2450 b:sad
I want the phoenix because I think its pretty. b:cute0 -
No one needs a rare pet. There are a lot of people who want them. There is a world of difference between "need" and "want".Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »Leave the pets for those who need them.
Zoe's semantics may be unclear, but the meaning of her statement should be pretty obvious: People who will use the pet should take priority over people who merely wish to sell it. a.k.a. Need before greed.
Technically, nobody "needs" anything in this game since it's merely a form of entertainment. But there are finer gradations of necessity than just "need" vs. "want".0 -
I want a shadou cub. (damn i forgot how to spell it again) not cause its rare but it is cute. I tried for 2 weeks then said **** it I'm gonna have to save up to buy it. That only bacause how upset this one veno got cause she had been trying everyday for over a month and still never cought one. Id say they need to but a limit one how many rare mobs one person can catch a month. Doing so will enable others to catch the pets. I mean why camp the spawn if you already cought your limit for the month and every attemt will fail."Jesus fricking christ on a pogo stick. Your a mass of fricking idiots I swear!"
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Thankies Crystalynnex0 -
I would think that the meaning of my post should be pretty clear too. There are items that actually benefit your character, items without which your progress (leveling, questing, etc.) will be considerably slowed down, if not stopped. Armor, weapons, etc. These items are actually needed for any normal gameplay.Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »Zoe's semantics may be unclear, but the meaning of her statement should be pretty obvious: People who will use the pet should take priority over people who merely wish to sell it. a.k.a. Need before greed.
Technically, nobody "needs" anything in this game since it's merely a form of entertainment. But there are finer gradations of necessity than just "need" vs. "want".
There are also items which are there just for looks. Vanity items, social clothes etc. And rare pets just happen to belong to this latter category. Statwise, they are not any better than any non-rare pet. (Well, the piggy is arguably a better air tank than any other tameable flying pet, but that's the only exception). No one actually needs them to play. No one's performance will suffer without those pets. They are just there for showing off. For vanity. For looking different. I am not saying that there is something wrong with wanting to look different, but it is not the same as "need."0 -
I've been keeping watch on the rare pet prices on Sanctuary for a while now. Here's an idea of what you can expect to pay:
Frog -- 300-500k
Tabby & puppy -- 800-900k
Piggy -- 900k-1.5mil
Shaodu cub -- 1.5-2mil
Kowlin -- 1mil
The only rare pets with good stats are the frog, the pig and the cub. The high price of the shaodu cub really ticks me off; I bought one a couple of weeks ago, found it was quite good, but I'd really rather have the money back instead so I sold it for a slight loss. It costs so much because its physical and magical defense is relatively high and it is quite cute. And now, I've gotten fed up of my golem and bought a nice levelled-up frog for cheap a few days ago.
Oh, what was the point of me posting here...? I dunno, I just felt like saying something. b:pleased0 -
There are also items which are there just for looks. Vanity items, social clothes etc. And rare pets just happen to belong to this latter category. Statwise, they are not any better than any non-rare pet. (Well, the piggy is arguably a better air tank than any other tameable flying pet, but that's the only exception). No one actually needs them to play. No one's performance will suffer without those pets. They are just there for showing off. For vanity. For looking different. I am not saying that there is something wrong with wanting to look different, but it is not the same as "need."
Excluding the legendary and the pig:- Kowlin is the fastest pet in the game - important for pulling; and has one of the highest DPS after the golem.
- Pup (level 40) is the fastest pet prior to the Kowlin (level 60).
- Kitten (level 20) is the fastest pet prior to the Pup, though the guardian wolf (level 43) matches it in speed.
- Shadou cub has the best combo of p.def + m.def, has the most hp, and comes with a stun skill which can only be gotten from the dragon temple event.
- Armored bear is more or less an upgrade to the Shadou cub from about level 90+.
- Frog has the most hp of a high m.def pet.
The snow hare is really the only mediocre rare pet. The other rare pets are pretty much "best in class" for their level.0 -
I would think that the meaning of my post should be pretty clear too. There are items that actually benefit your character, items without which your progress (leveling, questing, etc.) will be considerably slowed down, if not stopped. Armor, weapons, etc. These items are actually needed for any normal gameplay.
There are also items which are there just for looks. Vanity items, social clothes etc. And rare pets just happen to belong to this latter category. Statwise, they are not any better than any non-rare pet. (Well, the piggy is arguably a better air tank than any other tameable flying pet, but that's the only exception). No one actually needs them to play. No one's performance will suffer without those pets. They are just there for showing off. For vanity. For looking different. I am not saying that there is something wrong with wanting to look different, but it is not the same as "need."
Your quote shows an incredible anti-veno bias. Rare pets are more then vanity. They do, in each their own ways, out perform most standard pets in different attributes and uses. A prior post did a good job summing up each pets uniqueness & advantages so I wont restate them. But improving one's weapons and armor is IDENTICAL to a veno also needing to improve their pets. It is a necessary part of their character class. To ignore this aspect would be kin to you deciding to keep a low level weapon.
However on a seperate topic, the concept of need before greed is rather self centered. I am not a rare pet hunter, but this attitude also spreads in TT runs and many other aspects of the game. The fact is everything comes down to coin. If you want a rare spawn, or a TT mat drop, or anything similar, you dont "need" it, you "want" to save coins and not have to buy it. To get the rare, you would be saving the cost of buying it. What if someone else did buy it, and now needs money for skills? Why is someone's rare pet more important then someone else's ability to skill up? The fact is everyone is out to either; (1) save money by getting the item, or (2) sell an item to get money. Either way you look at it, whoever gets it, is profitting.0 -
Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »Your quote shows an incredible anti-veno bias. Rare pets are more then vanity. They do, in each their own ways, out perform most standard pets in different attributes and uses.
Hardly so, since my main is a veno. Okay, maybe I went a bit overboard in my previous post and didn't do the full justice to functional qualities of rare pets. b:laugh I admit that. Yes, unique pets do have their own strong points, but so do many of common, non-rare pets. If you are dealing with a boss against which your golem for some reason is weak, you have a wide variety of tameable world mobs to chose from. And, if the veno subforum is any indication, the main reason people try to get rare pets is "I was so sick of every veno running around with a golem that I got me a shaodu cub. It is so cute!"
I totally agree, but, first of all, our pets upgrade themselves each time they levelimproving one's weapons and armor is IDENTICAL to a veno also needing to improve their pets. It is a necessary part of their character class. To ignore this aspect would be kin to you deciding to keep a low level weapon
. Besides. you can improve your exising pets by upgrading their skills or training new ones, or you can tame new non-rare pets for specific occasions. Rare pets are definitely not something you need. It is more of a luxury.
And you know what I am sick of? People complaining about every little bit of competition in a MMORPG. (Not directed at you, Darksylph). If something is rare, it was meant to be rare and competed for. I actually tried to get a piggy for myself (to use as my own pet, not for sale). I failed. Do I hate the guts of my fellow player who managed to grab it before me? No. He or she had every right to do so, and I don't care whether it will be used as a pet, or combined with several more eggs to make an all-class pet, or just sold or given to another player. I had exactly the same opportunity as the next guy to tame it. I was beaten to it. Big deal. If I decide that I really want a piggy or a shaodu, I can always buy one off AH. And so can any other veno in this game.0 -
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mentallaxative wrote: »I've been keeping watch on the rare pet prices on Sanctuary for a while now. Here's an idea of what you can expect to pay:
Frog -- 300-500k
Tabby & puppy -- 800-900k
Piggy -- 900k-1.5mil
Shaodu cub -- 1.5-2mil
Kowlin -- 1mil
The only rare pets with good stats are the frog, the pig and the cub. The high price of the shaodu cub really ticks me off; I bought one a couple of weeks ago, found it was quite good, but I'd really rather have the money back instead so I sold it for a slight loss. It costs so much because its physical and magical defense is relatively high and it is quite cute. And now, I've gotten fed up of my golem and bought a nice levelled-up frog for cheap a few days ago.
Oh, what was the point of me posting here...? I dunno, I just felt like saying something. b:pleased
the kowlin has pretty good stats and since it's really fast its good for pulling...i use it as my main pet. and the cubs are all expensive cause of jerks like evga that makes sure only he can get them0 -
And now everyone completely forgets about the person they dogged to get their point across... Zoe was only saying that people just need to stop bein so greedy... plain and simple...
Some say that these rare pets are not a necessity, well the same can be said about everything in this game... You can never wear a single piece of armor and use the weapon from the beginning and sit there and kill the mobs at the newby zone and once you've killed 100 billion mobs then you'll be higher lvl...
Nothing in a game is actually needed if you go by your view of needed and "not needed"... This is a game, not a damn job... You play it to have fun and if you really want a pet but some jerk keeps camping the spawn spot and catching it before you every time cuz they spent all their money so they can outdo others and have nothing better to do with their life then its not a game anymore, it a f**kin competition... Its just a GAME... People take it too seriously and ruin the fun of others... Its uncalled for, just like everyone that bashed Zoe for stating her opinion... If you disagree and wanna state your opinion then there's no reason to bash someone else in the process of doing so... Again, its uncalled for...0
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