Best way to earn money for clerics?

Seylia - Harshlands

One of the only times I'll be frustrated with my cleric is the times I need money. Money for pots, money for skills, money for everything, it's getting on my nerves. I'm always the one out of all my friends to be flat broke. Lol, so if any cleric has found a good way to save money and earn a good amount, let me know, I will be forever in your debt.b:pleased

P.S. I used to have a lvl 47 cleric, so I'm not a lvl 13 n00b XD.b:victoryb:thanks

RedsRose - Lost City

There are quite a few threads out there on this, mainly because cleric skills can get expensive fast!

I think at your level right now the best thing to do might be to sell everything you pick up and to farm and sell mats.

Until you are a higher level you are not going to need everything that is dropped my the mobs.

This is unless you are looking for a quick buck.....

**In terms of saving: at your level you only need a few spells! You do not have to open everything...that will save you alot!

Mirathyl - Sanctuary

I typically just do quests on my own and pick up everything that drops. I don't purchase charms or many pots so I have had enough for skills. It doesn't earn a TON of money since I just NPC it all and not sell it in a kitty shop but it's been enough for me.

I also grind slower as I meditate a lot. *shrugs*

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary

Seylia - Harshlands wrote: »

One of the only times I'll be frustrated with my cleric is the times I need money. Money for pots, money for skills, money for everything, it's getting on my nerves. I'm always the one out of all my friends to be flat broke. Lol, so if any cleric has found a good way to save money and earn a good amount, let me know, I will be forever in your debt.b:pleased

P.S. I used to have a lvl 47 cleric, so I'm not a lvl 13 n00b XD.b:victoryb:thanks

Sell DQ items.
Sell mats
Don't buy any sort of armor until 60th if you can help it.
Don't buy boutique clothes.
Don't use the teleport. Fly.

Need to get to Arch in a hurry and near a major city? Port into the Cube then leave. Shazam...you are in Arch.

Auction off good items you can't use.
Pick up the coins the mobs drop. No-one should be in such a hurry as to miss this.

Fly around Arch for an hour and make 50k plus items from all the n00bs that leave stuff laying on the ground. It's incredible.

Find a good group to grind with and a densly packed area of mobs. Heal when needed and be "bag boy".

After every mob grind run put your coin in the bank. Don't keep it on you. This will curb "impulse spending".

Forp - Heavens Tear

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sell DQ items.
Sell mats
Don't buy any sort of armor until 60th if you can help it.
Don't buy boutique clothes.
Don't use the teleport. Fly.

Need to get to Arch in a hurry and near a major city? Port into the Cube then leave. Shazam...you are in Arch.

Auction off good items you can't use.
Pick up the coins the mobs drop. No-one should be in such a hurry as to miss this.

Fly around Arch for an hour and make 50k plus items from all the n00bs that leave stuff laying on the ground. It's incredible.

Find a good group to grind with and a densly packed area of mobs. Heal when needed and be "bag boy".

After every mob grind run put your coin in the bank. Don't keep it on you. This will curb "impulse spending".

i do not recommend this for making money. in a squad you make 1/4, or even less than you would in the same time. you want money from grinding? solo.

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i do not recommend this for making money. in a squad you make 1/4, or even less than you would in the same time. you want money from grinding? solo.

/sigh

How many times do I have to prove that not only are you wrong but horribly wrong?

Let me lay some wisdom you chuckles.

All of you watching pay attention.

Here's a simple illustration of an unbeatable money making team:
1 Cleric
1 Veno with Herc or Phoenix

Veno pulls multiple mobs with either of these awesome pets. Either the mobs beat themselves to death on the Herc ( with a few well placed AoE's by the Cleric ) or the Phoenix lays waste. The Cleric picks up all the stuff. Rinse and repeat. If the situation goes south ( the pet dies ) the Cleric heals the Veno once and flys away. All the mobs going for the Veno immediately head for the Cleric then loose interest ( aggro resets ).

The Veno never has to stop. Mana is no issue. He can concentrate on killing while the Cleric cleans up behind him.

I guarantee that the income provided by this is at least triple what you would get solo grinding. Toss on an xp scroll and drool.

Same situation with a BM, a Barb, or a full team. You just need to find mobs that are tightly packed and aggro.

Why in heavens name do you think that "butterfly squads" are so popular? How about the grand-daddy of them all ( but expensive ) Zhen squads?

Get real.

Advent_fox - Sanctuary

I have a low lvl alt cleric, lvl 30 at the moment

and I have noticed that many clerics around my lvl complain about money and having to go buy more pots. . honestly as of yet I still have never bought a mh/hp pot

I get more then enough from grinding and killing mobs

I'm almost more then certain this will change once i get into the higher lvls and start squading more often

but early on people, please, don't but pots it's just a waste of money

Forp - Heavens Tear

butterfly and zhen is exp, not +coin. non factor in this convo.

squad's income is cut down by a lot. everybody makes a fraction of what they normally would, but it's good exp, so they do it. it's not about coin in that situation, it's all about exp. if you want coin from grinding, you solo, and then you might make a decent amount. 1:1 with a veno almost never happens. they'll just solo.


why are you so full of yourself?

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

butterfly and zhen is exp, not +coin. non factor in this convo.

Anyone here going to *not* pick up the drops? Fine...I'll do it for you. Same name in game as here. Invite me.

squad's income is cut down by a lot. everybody makes a fraction of what they normally would, but it's good exp, so they do it. it's not about coin in that situation, it's all about exp. if you want coin from grinding, you solo, and then you might make a decent amount. 1:1 with a veno almost never happens. they'll just solo.


why are you so full of yourself?

I'm not full of myself. I just combat stupidity when I see it. As for the "squads income is cut down by a lot" anyone with a small amount of sense can see this is false. A group kills quickly. This means far more mobs than you could ever grind solo in the same amount of time. This means far more coins and drops.

If the xp is higher with this sort of group then logically the drops are also higher. Understand?

Yes...Veno's grind solo a lot. But the smart ones go with a bag boy. Why? They don't have to slow down. They can kill 2-3x the amount of mobs they would solo in the same amount of time. They don't have to worry about a pet dying or getting hit occasionally because the Cleric is there. They don't have to worry about someone swooping in and stealing an item. Over time the net gain for them is higher than if they went solo.

Forp - Heavens Tear

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Anyone here going to *not* pick up the drops? Fine...I'll do it for you. Same name in game as here. Invite me.

we're not even in the same server, lol

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm not full of myself. I just combat stupidity when I see it. As for the "squads income is cut down by a lot" anyone with a small amount of sense can see this is false. A group kills quickly. This means far more mobs than you could ever grind solo in the same amount of time. This means far more coins and drops.

quicker kills does not mean that you're getting 100% of the drops, it's split between x-amount of people. a 6 person squad at a legion invasion would be making at, at the most, 1/6 of what they normally would. in a squad, i make ~200k. solo i can get up to 1.5-2m. notice that huge jump?

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

If the xp is higher with this sort of group then logically the drops are also higher. Understand?

no, that's not how it works. more drops, sure, but not more income.

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yes...Veno's grind solo a lot. But the smart ones go with a bag boy. Why? They don't have to slow down. They can kill 2-3x the amount of mobs they would solo in the same amount of time. They don't have to worry about a pet dying or getting hit occasionally because the Cleric is there. They don't have to worry about someone swooping in and stealing an item. Over time the net gain for them is higher than if they went solo.

venos almost always solo, then just send their pet to kill while they pick up the drops. doesn't matter to them, really. only time i see venos duo grind is with guildies or friends.

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

we're not even in the same server, lol

Fine...invite one of these poor Clerics on your server. I'm sure they'd be happy to pick up the drops of a team like this that just can't be bothered. I would. 6 person squad killing mobs non-stop and leaving everything on the ground/air? Where do I sign up?

quicker kills does not mean that you're getting 100% of the drops, it's split between x-amount of people. a 6 person squad at a legion invasion would be making at, at the most, 1/6 of what they normally would. in a squad, i make ~200k. solo i can get up to 1.5-2m. notice that huge jump?

Apparently you aren't paying attention ( yet again ). We aren't talking about the occasional wraith invasion. We are talking about grinding. Don't confuse yourself any more than you already are.

no, that's not how it works. more drops, sure, but not more income.

It is how it works and anyone here can test it if uncertain. It should be common sense but as they say "common sense ain't so common".

venos almost always solo, then just send their pet to kill while they pick up the drops. doesn't matter to them, really. only time i see venos duo grind is with guildies or friends.

So just because it's outside *your* experience it must be wrong? And I'm full of myself? Dude...try it sometime. Of course it will require you actually having a Veno friend who can stand your presense for an hour.

Forp - Heavens Tear

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Fine...invite one of these poor Clerics on your server. I'm sure they'd be happy to pick up the drops of a team like this that just can't be bothered. I would. 6 person squad killing mobs non-stop and leaving everything on the ground/air? Where do I sign up?

cleric can't pick up in zhen. they're in constant bb. and i never said they don't pick up in butterfly parties, of course they do, but it's not about in come in these types of parties. everybody is on scroll and charm, killing non-stop for x-amount of hours. charms and scrolls aren't cheap.

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Apparently you aren't paying attention ( yet again ). We aren't talking about the occasional wraith invasion. We are talking about grinding. Don't confuse yourself any more than you already are.

i never brought up wraiths, i said legion. and the difference between solo and squad is outrageous. if i can get 40dq in an hour on solo grind, but 10~30(30 being unlikely, that's a lot of lucky pick ups) in a 6 man squad, why would i go to the 6 man squad for anything other than exp?

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

It is how it works and anyone here can test it if uncertain. It should be common sense but as they say "common sense ain't so common".

unless you're all dds, all on charm(so you don't have to stop), and always pick up every drop for the course of an hour, you might make as much as you would solo. definitely iffy, i'm not sure you could with 6 people. maybe a 4 man squad could.

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

So just because it's outside *your* experience it must be wrong? And I'm full of myself? Dude...try it sometime. Of course it will require you actually having a Veno friend who can stand your presense for an hour.

it's not outside my experience, it's just unlikely(and most of my veno friends out leveled me b:sad). i never said it was wrong, i never said i haven't done it. b:surrender

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary

I have found a way to make money, I use focus powders. By using focus powders you don't need to spend money on mana pots (wich is what limits the profit made when you grind) I think it's much cheaper than charms and since the main attacking spells are plume shot and great cyclone the 50 mana per sec is more than enough to keep you going at any lvl. So my sugestion is to get lvl2 apothecary and gather all slavia and crane you find.

I get my powder for free though from a close friend of mine so I guess that adds too.

Hope it helps.

Keyne - Heavens Tear

MP Charms for the win!! I can buy 1 Bronze MP charm for 80-95k. Grinding with that for an hour or two will get me 200-300k. I end up neting out 100-200k (roughly) after paying for the charm. BTW, Gold MP charms are the way to go. It is the equivelent of 6 bronze charms for only 400k. It may sound like alot, but you will make your money back on them easily.

Cyanea - Lost City

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Here's a simple illustration of an unbeatable money making team:
1 Cleric
1 Veno with Herc or Phoenix

Veno pulls ...

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

quicker kills does not mean that you're getting 100% of the drops, it's split between x-amount of people. a 6 person squad ...

I might be wrong here, but... last time I checked, 1 + 1 was not 6?

Forp - Heavens Tear

Cyanea - Lost City wrote: »

I might be wrong here, but... last time I checked, 1 + 1 was not 6?

completely out of context, those quotes aren't even related.

AnimeQT - Lost City

simple just buy less pots and meditate more and be patient, as for skills you dont need to upgrade every single skill or get every single skill that comes out and is available for you, as long as your have iron heart and your buffs maxed as well as plume shot and great cyclone and your ressurection maxed and your sweet and just slowly upgrade any other skills you want

wingedlover743

quicker kills does not mean that you're getting 100% of the drops, it's split between x-amount of people. a 6 person squad at a legion invasion would be making at, at the most, 1/6 of what they normally would. in a squad, i make ~200k. solo i can get up to 1.5-2m. notice that huge jump?


and how long does it take you a lot longer then a pt of 4 or 5 so lets see hmm run it 2-3 and make 1.2 in half hour if that or solo it in an hour and make 1.2 mil
i think i know what ill do

Governator - Lost City

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

we're not even in the same server, lol

quicker kills does not mean that you're getting 100% of the drops, it's split between x-amount of people. a 6 person squad at a legion invasion would be making at, at the most, 1/6 of what they normally would. in a squad, i make ~200k. solo i can get up to 1.5-2m. notice that huge jump?

no, that's not how it works. more drops, sure, but not more income.

venos almost always solo, then just send their pet to kill while they pick up the drops. doesn't matter to them, really. only time i see venos duo grind is with guildies or friends.

After reading that...I can see why people say you have poor logic.

Secret Letter wraith event:
If I solo it, i make AT MOST 300k. That's if I get lucky and my spot doesn't get over run by archers with slings.

In a party with 3 of my friends, I made about 2% more exp, 800k coin, spot security, and about 3x as many badges to turn in for exp/sp as I did solo.

You, sir, are wrong. Kthxbai.

Forp - Heavens Tear

Governator - Lost City wrote: »

After reading that...I can see why people say you have poor logic.

Secret Letter wraith event:
If I solo it, i make AT MOST 300k. That's if I get lucky and my spot doesn't get over run by archers with slings.

In a party with 3 of my friends, I made about 2% more exp, 800k coin, spot security, and about 3x as many badges to turn in for exp/sp as I did solo.

You, sir, are wrong. Kthxbai.

you make at most 300k solo? maybe you're just slow. i make a lot more solo than i do in a squad, because the drops are shared(unless you change squad options, and only you pick up items). i can pick up more than 700 dq items solo, i might be lucky if i get 300 in a squad of 3(300 would have to be an unnaturally lucky amount of pickups, the rest of the squad would have to have been shafted for that).

and, the people i go with 1 hit the mobs.

SATII - Lost City

Governator - Lost City wrote: »

After reading that...I can see why people say you have poor logic.

Secret Letter wraith event:
If I solo it, i make AT MOST 300k. That's if I get lucky and my spot doesn't get over run by archers with slings.

In a party with 3 of my friends, I made about 2% more exp, 800k coin, spot security, and about 3x as many badges to turn in for exp/sp as I did solo.

You, sir, are wrong. Kthxbai.

A wraith event is different from normal grinding/zhening. The mobs spawn insanely fast, are ridiculously easy to kill, and have extremely high drop rates. Thus, everyone is still making alot of money. And since your in a squad, you probably have a cleric saving you hp pots, and multiple attacks on a mob make you take less hits = lower repair.

Zhening, on the other hand, doesn't involve really easy mobs with really high drop rates. @Willfire, just because there are three people in a squad killing doesn't mean there are 3x the drops. It's probably closer to like, 1.5x more drops. That means if in some miraculous way the drops were split evenly, everyone would only be getting .5x drops, or half or what they'd make solo. That's why zhening is so expensive.

BTW, when Cyanea said "1 + 1 was not 6" that's what she meant. 2x drops split between 6 players doesn't equal everyone getting 1x normal drop.

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary

SATII - Lost City wrote: »

@Willfire, just because there are three people in a squad killing doesn't mean there are 3x the drops. It's probably closer to like, 1.5x more drops. That means if in some miraculous way the drops were split evenly, everyone would only be getting .5x drops, or half or what they'd make solo. That's why zhening is so expensive.

BTW, when Cyanea said "1 + 1 was not 6" that's what she meant. 2x drops split between 6 players doesn't equal everyone getting 1x normal drop.

Zhening is expensive due to the massive outlay for charms and repairs. A single mob's drop rate is the same if it's killed by 1 person or 6 people. A mass of 30 mobs drop rate is the same as killing each of those mobs individually or all at once. A group that can chainsaw through a steady stream of mobs without stopping is more efficient ( and makes more ) than someone solo'ing. It's the "not stopping" and "steady stream" that is key here.

A Cleric and a Veno ( or BM...or Barb ) can "duo" through far more mobs than they could by themselves.

Forp - Heavens Tear

that kind of grind would require charms, -300k(now, charm packs are back) for the mp charm, hp is unneeded with a cleric. you don't make a profit right away, but you might in the long run(when it's running out, you might hit positive profit again towards the end).

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

that kind of grind would require charms, -300k(now, charm packs are back) for the mp charm, hp is unneeded with a cleric. you don't make a profit right away, but you might in the long run(when it's running out, you might hit positive profit again towards the end).

You seem to be having trouble separating what I'm saying here. There are two types of mass mob grinding ( really more but why confuse the issue ).

1) Zhen grinding ( expensive as noted )
2) Party grinding

A *party* grind is a little different than a Zhen grind. No bubble is used. One version is that the mobs are rounded up to an appointed spot, stunned, and then killed. Another is finding an area with a densly packed group of mobs ( say like the Butterfly area ) and everyone in the party simply keeping the area clear by any means possible. Everyone stays within "xp range" and a runner picks up all the loot.

Forp - Heavens Tear

constant fighting for an hour, that's a grind party, and requires a charm to be efficent for the entire hour. that's how it works. no charm, no go.

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

constant fighting for an hour, that's a grind party, and requires a charm to be efficent for the entire hour. that's how it works. no charm, no go.

How you ever managed to make it too 75th is beyond me.

Forp - Heavens Tear

wq, crazy stone, the occasional fb and quest when i level. i still have more skills maxed than most people(711 sp atm, lol).

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

wq, crazy stone, the occasional fb and quest when i level. i still have more skills maxed than most people(711 sp atm, lol).

That explains a lot.

SATII - Lost City

Honestly, I don't get how you made it to 75 if you think zhenning gives people an increase in money (if that's what your saying I can't really tell-your being ambiguous). Even if you meant "party grinding", I still don't see how you think you make more money than solo. Just because there are 2 people in a party doesn't mean 2x faster killing. Maybe if they grinded in an insanely fast spawn rate place with non-aggro mobs. Since no place really exists at the upper levels, there will be party ks (slows down kills) and "kill jacking" (slows down kills).

Ninnuam - Sanctuary

Don't go zhenning with pugs; find a party that understands your charm costs and is willing to have the drops split between the charm users (cleric and archer). Loosing 400k in 2 hours compared to everyone else making money isn't fair in my book. And there are people out there who'd agree. Problem solved

On topic: TT
Same premise as above really, don't agree to random loot, get yourself a good squad and you'll usually get the biggest cut. Bubbling cleric and the barb usually get first dibs on the loot, followed by the DDs. Depending on how much is left over, extras are usually given to charm users (cleric + barb) or taken to AH if there's more than one or two extra drops. That way you definitely get your moneys worth and a little bit extra.
Unless you have a herc tanking, then I'd say you'd fall under the DD category, but your charm cost is negligible in such a squad, and just about every drops more than pays off

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary

SATII - Lost City wrote: »

Honestly, I don't get how you made it to 75 if you think zhenning gives people an increase in money (if that's what your saying I can't really tell-your being ambiguous).

If you are speaking to me SATII I think I made the point that Zhenning is expensive.

Even if you meant "party grinding", I still don't see how you think you make more money than solo.

That's and easy one. Just takes a Veno with a Phoenix or a BM with stun/damage AoE skills. A Veno that doesn't have to stop to pick up stuff ( your job as well as keeping the Veno alive should something go wrong ) grinds through more mobs than he would alone and definately faster than a Cleric can. Killing off 3-5 mobs at a time non-stop is simply faster and more coin. Don't knock it until you've tried it.

Same concept with a Cleric and a BM. He rounds up a huge amount of mobs, stuns, then AoE's them to death while the Cleric keeps him alive and tosses in an AoE or two of his own. Rinse and repeat.

Just because there are 2 people in a party doesn't mean 2x faster killing.

I've provided an example of two ways to do this.

Maybe if they grinded in an insanely fast spawn rate place with non-aggro mobs.

Actually this sort of grinding requires aggro mobs. And it *is* insanely fast.

Since no place really exists at the upper levels, there will be party ks (slows down kills) and "kill jacking" (slows down kills).

Uh...lets see:
Seawead Pirates
Nightscream Island
Butterflies ( not sure of thier names )
Snowmen up near Thousand Streams

Just to name a few.