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For whom the bell tolls...
drkbodhi
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So...
Many of you have posted in this forum, all over the place, about nerfing this and nerfing them and nerfing that. Now that something has been nerfed that many did not think deserved to be nerfed all hell breaks loose.
The reason that I used the famous line as a title is for one reason...
When we choose to complain about what others have because we are envious... do not complain when that bell tolls for you. Pallies will adapt, CWs will adapt.
Were they both playing their roles? NO.
A CW is a controller first and striker second.
A pally is a Leader/Defender and controller.
CW, I am sure, was not supposed to be a tank or DPS first. A pally was not supposed to be DPS.
Things may, actually, be returning to WAI.
Many of you have posted in this forum, all over the place, about nerfing this and nerfing them and nerfing that. Now that something has been nerfed that many did not think deserved to be nerfed all hell breaks loose.
The reason that I used the famous line as a title is for one reason...
When we choose to complain about what others have because we are envious... do not complain when that bell tolls for you. Pallies will adapt, CWs will adapt.
Were they both playing their roles? NO.
A CW is a controller first and striker second.
A pally is a Leader/Defender and controller.
CW, I am sure, was not supposed to be a tank or DPS first. A pally was not supposed to be DPS.
Things may, actually, be returning to WAI.
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Tr will adapt even easier. Be invisible, invincible, uncontrolled, untouchable, dealing extremelly huge dmg. I would adopt this role with easy.
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I see the same CWS who said the mod 6 SW nerf was a good thing, are now crying rivers since they lost storm spell. we adapted, so will you
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Sounds excellent
i'm all for this. my GWF could use some loving. IV sentinel really needs love.
I remember for a long, long time that they were basically the only class left out of almost everything because of the lack of anything to contribute.
They got stomped in pvp.
They were never accepted into parties on dungeon runs because they had no damage.
Stealth - yes.
Damage - yes.
But the bell will toll for tricksters again.
Until then, im going to lap it up. Its nice being at the top.
I find it funny when people say this. The CW Action Point tooltip states CW's gain action points when they deal damage, but perhaps that is wrong. Who knows with tooltips, they are like a cryptic puzzle.
Funny you mention that title, I'm currently reading that book, so don't spoil the ending, or whatever.
Nah I didn't
I agree.
I know of one TR, in CA, who will out DPS the SW and comes close to beating the GWF... and he is not BiS. Every TR sees that they have a different role in the game. He sees that he is about DPS. I would like more DPS but I like control and I move around lot... maybe too much.
as an Off Tank it would be nice to be able to actually tank. IV sentinel, as a build, is broken with all the damage given out in Mod6. you can't PvP with it, you can't do dungeons with it. its a broke build. so it either needs to be redone or removed.
thats the point i was trying to make.
I know all about SM/Destroyer builds being DPS Gods. i was one. but in mod4 i switch to IV/Destroyer for a little PvP. and i was still viable in PvE. now the build isn't viable either place. So, about 4 days ago i switch to SM/Destroyer. now i do about 80-90M damage in Tia. i'm viable again.
but thats not the point. the point is that based on current changes we are all being pigeonholed into a single optimal build. and if you pick any other build you are gimped. And if you can't see THAT, then ... i don't know.
In general though I agree. Getting a word like like leader or striker and tying yourself to it like it was a mast is probably not a good way of conceptualising the game.
That isn't it... the SW prior to the nerf was doing 40 million and actually has the largest crit I have heard about... 4.7 million. The GWF does insane DPS... normally. When they are competing with a skilled MI/Exec the sky is the limit.
After working my TR and CW through the Mod 6 grind, I resurrected my GWF. He has the DR boons, but only the first two Shar boons, and that is all. I did this because I saw a lot of GWFs plowing through Cloud Giants when my TR and CW were there.
I can attest, the GWF is alive and well. Mine survives better and does more damage than my TR and CW could do.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
definitely true. even as in IV/Sent my guy did very well against the cloud giants. but i went back as SM/Dest and it was even easier. GWFs are awesome in PvE.
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its in the dungeons that GWFs are lacking though. in my opinion.
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and the CC nerf, if you remember, was caused by 5 man CW parties running the dungeons. or in come cases 1 man CW parties running dungeons. the CC was identified as being too powerful in conjunction with the damage output of the CW. so they removed the Control from the Control Wizard. and now they have removed some of the DPS from the wizard. i agree. they should add back some control.
I agree 100%. Which may mean that the best solution is to return each class to it's original state
Ahh. That could be true - I have VERY limited dungeon experience these days . . .
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Not many gwf would thank you for that.
I will make the same joke again since we are talking about strikers again. Should sw and gwf damage be reduced to tr levels of damage (excluding some exceptionally strange run you can think of). If you think that sounds stupid and bad maybe we should get not too hung up on the roles.
LOL - not a bad idea for PvP . . .
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
It doesn't matter....as soon as I saw the title of the thread, that's all I heard was Cliff Burton's bass line...
:-)
Best TR I've ever encountered vs. my back then 3k GWF (both had LoL-set)
wizard is ABSOLUTELY supposed to be DPS, not sure where you get the idea it isn't..
anyway LAST time CW was nerfed they INCREASED Spell Storm to make up for it!
they also increased Icy Terrain, and then people cried ZOMFG PERMA FREEZZE!11111 so they nerfed THAT!
so now apparently CW aren't supposed to be DPS, and aren't supposed to be control... #SMF
it's fine, CW have been nerfed like 7 times now, they will find something else OP... then that will be nerfed.. and on and again and over and over..