The Storm Spell Changes Feedback Thread

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  • wixxgs1cht
    wixxgs1cht Member Posts: 430 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Btw, for clarity, upload a picture of your gear so that people have some idea of what CW they looking at. I may have ran with you before Agathe, but not all of the CW's here have.

    Fair enough:
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    Edit: I had some 1k crit more during my test there.
  • doidloko
    doidloko Member Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I m using
    Storm Spell + Chilling Presence for now.
    Later this update what i need to use to have a good demage again?
    I m focused on critical, with azure etc. now with this new update critical will be important for cw? Vorpal etc?
    what skilss use on pvp now, i change storm spell for??
  • katamaster81899
    katamaster81899 Member Posts: 1,157 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    And to think I finally got my CW to 70 only 2 days ago, the first and only character I was planning on forcing my way to level 70 with.

    I'm going to go and cry in a corner now :/
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  • doidloko
    doidloko Member Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Fair enough:


    Edit: I had some 1k crit more during my test there.

    Give bye bye for the critical now :(:(
  • thefabricant
    thefabricant Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 5,248 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    And to think I finally got my CW to 70 only 2 days ago, the first and only character I was planning on forcing my way to level 70 with.

    I'm going to go and cry in a corner now :/
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  • mirrorballs
    mirrorballs Member Posts: 877 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2015
    MoF/Oppressor here. Hmm..

    ** reads changes **

    Hmm.. hmm.. let's see...

    Meh. No concern of mine.
    Doing fine in both PvP and PvE as it is. :D:D
  • doidloko
    doidloko Member Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I m using
    Storm Spell + Chilling Presence for now.
    Later this update what i need to use to have a good demage again?
    I m focused on critical, with azure etc. now with this new update critical will be important for cw? Vorpal etc?
    what skilss use on pvp now, i change storm spell for??
    pls any experienced cw can help me now?
  • mirrorballs
    mirrorballs Member Posts: 877 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2015
    doidloko wrote: »
    pls any experienced cw can help me now?

    Build for control, as in "CONTROL" wizard. :D
  • aulduron
    aulduron Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,351 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    All CWs are built for control. Some are built a little better for freezing, but they lose the all important DPS.

    As a Renegade who uses SS and CP, with CoI, SS, IT and ST, I'll probably not change a thing. There probably is no better combination.
  • mirrorballs
    mirrorballs Member Posts: 877 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2015
    aulduron wrote: »
    All CWs are built for control. Some are built a little better for freezing, but they lose the all important DPS.

    As a Renegade who uses SS and CP, with CoI, SS, IT and ST, I'll probably not change a thing. There probably is no better combination.

    The amount of control you SS CWs do, that ain't "control".

    That's net-lag. :D
  • ironzerg79
    ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    The amount of control you SS CWs do, that ain't "control".

    That's net-lag. :D

    You do talk a lot. I'd love to see you post some videos or screenshots of your oppressor build standing over a dead boss in eGWD or eCC.
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  • mirrorballs
    mirrorballs Member Posts: 877 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2015
    ironzerg79 wrote: »
    You do talk a lot. I'd love to see you post some videos or screenshots of your oppressor build standing over a dead boss in eGWD or eCC.

    Like said, again, who cares about PvE?

    Is the footage in my own thread not enough, or do I need to spend thousands of dollars to become a 4.8k IL myself and challenge a broken-<font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> OP MI/Sabo on like "sicarius-level" and actually win to prove myself (which I doubt any of the current "top" CWs can do with any consistency, btw), since PvPing in the 3.5k IL range in multiple normal PvP games doesn't qualify as "viable" in your book?

    Geez, just what is this need to crush alternatives and declare the "my build/variant is officially the best" dogma, with you big-name types? :rolleyes: Did I lie about how SS CWs suck in the control aspect? I don't go claiming I do more damage with an OPP-CW, so is there a problem when I point out how pathetically weak the "CONTROL" part is with SS-CWs?
  • str8slayer
    str8slayer Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 715 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2015
    ironzerg79 wrote: »
    You do talk a lot. I'd love to see you post some videos or screenshots of your oppressor build standing over a dead boss in eGWD or eCC.

    Zerg is right, I've ran ECC/TOS with oppressor CW's and they get out DPSed even by my tank OP. The additional CC time that oppressor gets is not nearly as impressive as it seems (those 3 sec additional stun/dazes get cut to fractions of a second after resistances are applied). I'd rather have the DPS than an extra few seconds of stunned mobs because the DPS would've rendered them corpses already.

    I don't think storm spell is nerfed to the point where evocation or EOTS can be slotted over it to improve DPS. Apparently it still multi procs on AOE and the half second ICD is per-target. Those big buffed spell storm procs are a thing of the past, though as vorpal will no longer increase it's damage (though I hope chilling presence still does).
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  • vordayn
    vordayn Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,283 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    My first char is a CW and I'm in shock.

    Based on Agathe's parses, with the Storm Spell changes to a 0.5 sec internal cool down and no critical chance hits, Storm Spell will be reduced from 20% of total DPS, to a mere 6% (this is based on disintegrate having a ~5s cool down, multiplying those 'hits' by 10, and a 130% crit severity). So approximately a ~15% DPS reduction with my current renegade load out.

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    The new Storm Spell will be a fraction of the output of Lostmauth's Vengence (which has the highest DPS output here at 25%!). But should I even bother trying to get the Lostmauth artifacts considering it might be nerfed?

    I wish the development team could show some framework of design and forward planning. Then I could make some well-informed decisions about what build I should pursue.
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  • aulduron
    aulduron Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,351 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    who cares about PvE

    Far more than care about PvP.
  • scathias
    scathias Member Posts: 1,174 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    huh? that act parse you just reposted was done today, on preview, and it shows that SS is still 20% of damage dealt. your math to reduce this to 6% is misplaced
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  • kieranmtorn
    kieranmtorn Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 382 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    vordayn wrote: »
    My first char is a CW and I'm in shock.

    Based on Agathe's parses, with the Storm Spell changes to a 0.5 CD cool down and and no critical chance hits, Storm Spell will be reduced from 20% of total DPS, to a mere 6% (this is based on disintegrate having a ~5s cool down, multiplying those 'hits' by 10, and a 130% crit severity). So approximately a ~15% DPS reduction with my current renegade load out.

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    The new Storm Spell will be a fraction of the output of Lostmauth's Vengence (which has the highest DPS output here at 25%!). But should I even bother trying to get the Lostmauth artifacts considering it might be nerfed?

    I wish the development team could show some framework of design and forward planning. Then I could make some well-informed decisions about what build I should pursue.

    I also wouldn't get too comfortable with using LostMouth as dps crutch, either.
  • skitzopyro
    skitzopyro Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I do love how there's no "Balance" just a pure nerf... "SS can no longer crit and has an ICD of .5 seconds but damage was increased 15%" is something it should have been changed to... do they even test things or just write the script and call it a day?
  • hfgtfsdfs
    hfgtfsdfs Member Posts: 688 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

    Thats all I have to say to these changes. Oh yeah and CYA!
  • doidloko
    doidloko Member Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Realy i think the TR´s are happy now, never nerfed and the CW nerfed now
  • str8slayer
    str8slayer Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 715 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2015
    doidloko wrote: »
    Realy i think the TR´s are happy now, never nerfed and the CW nerfed now

    TR's are safely at the top of the PVP food chain, without any equals, CW was smack dab in the middle even before this nerf goes live. So, tell me again, why is this nerf necessary and the real problem (piercing damage) continues to dominate PVP?
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  • hfgtfsdfs
    hfgtfsdfs Member Posts: 688 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Alright. I guess this is were I jump off this trainwreck of a game.

    I understand that you want to change Storm Spell because a passive shouldn't be that strong. I totally agree with that. BUT not replacing it with something else that makes up of for it, that's were you lost me.

    I want to see a significant boost that makes up for SS with a control or damage boost to our encounters. Or both.

    I'm on a break from this game ATM since the latest mod didn't bring me anything fun to play. But I was looking forward to come back for mod7. But now, I'm not so sure i will.
  • vordayn
    vordayn Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,283 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    scathias wrote: »
    huh? that act parse you just reposted was done today, on preview, and it shows that SS is still 20% of damage dealt. your math to reduce this to 6% is misplaced

    Ah well, it will be nerfed. Sucks to be a CW right now.
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  • aulduron
    aulduron Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,351 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Realy i think the TR´s are happy now, never nerfed

    You haven't been playing very long, have you? TRs have been nerfed many times. Just not lately.
  • martelis1981
    martelis1981 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 121 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    ooh good, W.T*F are you thinking Devs?? , what about of f. piercing from TR's? 2 mod and you do NOTHING. Now this?. So...

    PUT THE GAME IN YOUR F*U.CKI.NG A*S.S !!
  • suddenlyslow
    suddenlyslow Member Posts: 818 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    doidloko wrote: »
    Realy i think the TR´s are happy now, never nerfed and the CW nerfed now

    Actually I do believe that TR's were nerfed every patch but 2 (every patch that touched anything to do with TR). They were nerfed every mod but one and stand as the most nerfed class in the game. Granted they needed it too in some cases and especially early on.
  • asmose01
    asmose01 Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Actually I do believe that TR's were nerfed every patch but 2 (every patch that touched anything to do with TR). They were nerfed every mod but one and stand as the most nerfed class in the game. Granted they needed it too in some cases and especially early on.

    Sigh remember when a TR could lashing blade crit for 180+k one hiting everything! I started playing my cw again and not two weeks later its getting a Nerf. My friend tested preview and then live and the majority are correct 50% Nerf, but meh if I get to play more of a controller build and not get criticized or kicked for low dps all the better!
  • beatannier
    beatannier Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 692 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    hfgtfsdfs wrote: »
    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

    Thats all I have to say to these changes. Oh yeah and CYA!

    +9001. Finally!

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  • trennin
    trennin Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I have been a cw in this game for a long time and I have seen you cut our damage by a huge amount back in mod 4 so that the new class sw could be top dps. I understand that making the new class strong so all the flavor of the day players will flood to the new class essentially spending money in the game. I understand the free to play model and that there is a need to create a revenue stream out of new classes and new items ect. The issue I have is out of all the classes that are not working correctly today like gwfs hitting for 22 mil at 3k item lvl or sw having there ghosts hitting for 3 mil at 3k item lvl or trs still doing perma stealth, hrs doing perma root. With all these issues the 1 class that was working as intended you go and nerf. This makes no sense at all. So at 4500 item lvl all 11s and 12s and mythic artifacts I get out dpsed by 3k gwfs and 3k sw currently and after this next patch i'll lose another 20-30% of my dps. Really !! I had high hopes for the new crew coming in, I was thinking they would make things better but i'm losing hope. With trs running duel wep enchants and dcs running ap gain exploits I have to wonder if you guys play the game. How about the over power effects of negation and fey touched in pvp. Does anybody realize what is actually going on. It saddens me what it going on right now and I hope, well I have a little hope still that the new crew fixes these issues.

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