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quaffliciousquafflicious Member Posts: 66 Arc User
Seriously, people. No one wants to place a bid on an item that is up for 5 days just be outbid right at the very last second. You ever wonder why you can't sell anything on the AH? It's cause no one wants to bid. Start putting buyouts and you will see that everything you put up will sell almost immediately.
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  • curygreenleaf69curygreenleaf69 Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Yes Agreed it took few people to start a foolish trend and all the sheeple follow.
  • telprydaintelprydain Member Posts: 545 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    At the moment it's because items without a buyout are sometimes not shown (items with nothing but a low starting bid are all that displays). After the patch you should see this self-correct.
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  • rangerman25rangerman25 Member Posts: 84
    edited May 2015
    Sell almost immediately? That is true, but still not in some situations. For example: I saw that the cheapest unit price on the current lockboxes is 1 AD. Now granted they dont expect it to sell that low and the cheapest after that is 125 AD starting bid. I posted 50 lockboxes at 5000 AD with a 10000 AD Buyout...that is 100 AD starting bid price and buyout at 200AD..still cheaper than some. I got a mail from a player saying and I quote it "Dude, your lockboxes are freaking way overpriced. No one will ever pay you that much for that many lockboxes. You seriously need to stop trying to rip off players and lower your **** prices. If you dont, I will report you as a scammer/rip off. I was interested in buying them til I saw the buyout and now I am not." I messaged him back "Then bid then."

    From previous experience on both WoW and SWTOR players will threaten to report you for "scamming players" to try and get you to sell them for lower and then they turn around and re-post them for much much higher. It's not understanding the AH you need to do, but understand the concepts and ignore the troll players.
  • jood87jood87 Member Posts: 37
    edited May 2015
    You can buy Lockboxes for 200ad from the vendor.
  • quaffliciousquafflicious Member Posts: 66 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    jood87 wrote: »
    You can buy Lockboxes for 200ad from the vendor.

    He probably means Tyrannical Lockboxes, which you can no longer acquire unless someone sells them to you from their inventory as they no longer drop, nor are they sold by the vendor. Just wait a month and they will be worth a mint cause people will pay for a shot at the Imperial Rage Drake and turn around and sell it for like 10 mill+.
  • morgonmgcmorgonmgc Member Posts: 68
    edited May 2015
    A) I generally get more money on auction-style listings, because people don't like to lose. In the case of multiple bidders, you'll almost always get 'snipe' bids towards the very end of an auction.
    B) The list sorting is set to buyout amount. Auction-only listings always show up first. By showing up on the first page, with a decent price, bids are made.
    C) There are a lot of extremely stupid buyout amounts

    As telprydain mentioned, changes to the Auction House (assuming they allow for custom sorting) will likely change the entire dynamic, as it should encourage more responsible values: If buyers start sorting by buyout amount, instead of having to page down a few times and wade through mis-matched listings, sellers will price accordingly.
  • quaffliciousquafflicious Member Posts: 66 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    This is the same thing in WoW. No one bids, people who post with no buyout rarely ever sell anything. People want the item now, not 5 days from now.
  • rangerman25rangerman25 Member Posts: 84
    edited May 2015
    I was just on the AH and looked through everything. I dont think I saw a single item with a buyout except something I have on there. I could missed some though.
  • keife1991keife1991 Member Posts: 36
    edited May 2015
    for items that are easy to get put a buyout, but for rare items that everyone wants dont put a buyout, everything i sell that is above 100K ad always gets bid on, and its because its a high value item, examples include dragon bone weapons, lesser enhancements, fashion items etc. putting a buyout on these items only hurts you, because you lose the potential of a higher bid. a buyout should be a number higher than the actual worth of the item for those who want the item soo badly that they are willing to pay more than its worth to get it without waiting. before you sell anything search it up in the auction house and see the highest that people are actually bidding on them, put that as the minimum bid, then if you want to put a buyout make it double the bid. putting a buyout of 5K on a item that sells successfully at 100K is not smart, it not only hurts you but everyone else on the market because every time it sells for less you depreciate it, meaning that later on it wont sell for as much as its worth.

    meaning if dragon bone weapons sell for 100K dont put them up for 5K, and if lesser vorpals go successfully for 200K dont put them with a buyout at 130K

    and for the important items put the time at 1 day, it will sell, even if you dont get any bids up to the last hour, it will sell.
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  • rangerman25rangerman25 Member Posts: 84
    edited May 2015
    keife1991 wrote: »
    before you sell anything search it up in the auction house and see the highest that people are actually bidding on them, put that as the minimum bid, then if you want to put a buyout make it double the bid. putting a buyout of 5K on a item that sells successfully at 100K is not smart, it not only hurts you but everyone else on the market because every time it sells for less you depreciate it, meaning that later on it wont sell for as much as its worth.

    However at the same time a very important rule of commerce: An item is only worth what a person is willing to spend to acquire it. So if Joe Shmoe or anyone else for that matter, isn't willing to spend the 100k needed to get such an item, then it's value isnt worth that much. And depreciating it, that is the whole purpose of commerce. To outsell and undersell the competition by any means necessary. Look at WalMart, they do this all the time.
  • mrdurvamrdurva Member Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Haha I got a message last night from a guy selling the same purple greatsword as I did. He had it for 500k starting bid with 1.25m buyout (which is way overpriced) He reported me for scamming because my starting bid was 75k AD and it sold at 193k AD
  • r3ppartr3ppart Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I rarely see a buyout on the AH lol

    When I hit level 30, I placed a bid on a level 30 weapon, I hit 60 before the auction ended. True story lol
  • keife1991keife1991 Member Posts: 36
    edited May 2015
    However at the same time a very important rule of commerce: An item is only worth what a person is willing to spend to acquire it. So if Joe Shmoe or anyone else for that matter, isn't willing to spend the 100k needed to get such an item, then it's value isnt worth that much. And depreciating it, that is the whole purpose of commerce. To outsell and undersell the competition by any means necessary. Look at WalMart, they do this all the time.

    yes if an item isnt selling then its too high, what im saying is that these items are selling for more than what people put them up for, example, dragon bone halberds are being sold at 5K buyout on ah, however every single time i put one up with starting bid at 100K with 1 day time, it sells. therefore pricing it at 5K is depreciating the cost of the item because people are willing to pay 100K every time.
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  • silktrocitysilktrocity Member Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    My Theory? The AH is bugged still. People DO post buy outs, however they seem to be towards the bottom of the 400 limit so we aren't seeing them. They need to add an option to search by buy out prices as well.

    (I ALWAYS post buy out prices on my epics, and at the value the AH wants me to post them) This is significantly lower then what most people sell the identical items for, and people aren't buying them. I think it's because they aren't seeing them in the list.
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  • silktrocitysilktrocity Member Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    keife1991 wrote: »
    for items that are easy to get put a buyout, but for rare items that everyone wants dont put a buyout, everything i sell that is above 100K ad always gets bid on, and its because its a high value item, examples include dragon bone weapons, lesser enhancements, fashion items etc. putting a buyout on these items only hurts you, because you lose the potential of a higher bid. a buyout should be a number higher than the actual worth of the item for those who want the item soo badly that they are willing to pay more than its worth to get it without waiting. before you sell anything search it up in the auction house and see the highest that people are actually bidding on them, put that as the minimum bid, then if you want to put a buyout make it double the bid. putting a buyout of 5K on a item that sells successfully at 100K is not smart, it not only hurts you but everyone else on the market because every time it sells for less you depreciate it, meaning that later on it wont sell for as much as its worth.

    meaning if dragon bone weapons sell for 100K dont put them up for 5K, and if lesser vorpals go successfully for 200K dont put them with a buyout at 130K

    and for the important items put the time at 1 day, it will sell, even if you dont get any bids up to the last hour, it will sell.

    You must be high because I've been trying to sell A dragonbone scepter (rarer main hand) for 45k and I can't even sell it at that. Just because you see ridiculous high priced dragonbone items (100-150k) doesn't mean they are actually selling at that price. Theres no way to know wether someones even bid on an item until you personally are outbid.
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  • keife1991keife1991 Member Posts: 36
    edited May 2015
    My Theory? The AH is bugged still. People DO post buy outs, however they seem to be towards the bottom of the 400 limit so we aren't seeing them. They need to add an option to search by buy out prices as well.

    (I ALWAYS post buy out prices on my epics, and at the value the AH wants me to post them) This is significantly lower then what most people sell the identical items for, and people aren't buying them. I think it's because they aren't seeing them in the list.

    so youre telling me, people are buying the same item youre selling at a higher price and not at the lower price you set, well poor guy, i mean its not like you could just remove your buyout price and set it at the higher price that they are successfully selling for and make more money than you would with your lower buyout, huh, what to do
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  • rangerman25rangerman25 Member Posts: 84
    edited May 2015
    mrdurva wrote: »
    Haha I got a message last night from a guy selling the same purple greatsword as I did. He had it for 500k starting bid with 1.25m buyout (which is way overpriced) He reported me for scamming because my starting bid was 75k AD and it sold at 193k AD

    Shoulda asked him if he wanted a tissue
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