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katamaster81899
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Hey everyone,
With all the XX+ gs Tiamat time channels, it has been easily shown that Tiamat is not that difficult with a half-coordinated instance. Tiamat is supposed to be a god, a 5 headed dragon god. Why is it being defeated in half of the allotted time? Many of the experienced hardcore players want content that we are GOING to fail a large portion of the time, and not because we are being forced to pug it --> Permadeath, longer respawn times, lower time limits, more challenging mechanics, etc. are all possibilities to make it more challenging. It should not be easy to aquire the BiS cloak and offhand for any given class regardless of GS in such a short period of time.
The first time I beat Tiamat, after some 5 odd tries, I felt awesome. I was super proud of my achievement, I had done something most had yet to do. Now, I'm more along the lines of "Oh, I we won, and I got a 500ad refining item. Woohoo''.
Change the drops from Tiamat (Black Opals, Flawless Saphires, Aquamarines, Marks of Potency), make it a challenge, let us enter with PREMADEs, and get the gear economy rise a bit (T2 items)
Thanks,
A F2P CW
With all the XX+ gs Tiamat time channels, it has been easily shown that Tiamat is not that difficult with a half-coordinated instance. Tiamat is supposed to be a god, a 5 headed dragon god. Why is it being defeated in half of the allotted time? Many of the experienced hardcore players want content that we are GOING to fail a large portion of the time, and not because we are being forced to pug it --> Permadeath, longer respawn times, lower time limits, more challenging mechanics, etc. are all possibilities to make it more challenging. It should not be easy to aquire the BiS cloak and offhand for any given class regardless of GS in such a short period of time.
The first time I beat Tiamat, after some 5 odd tries, I felt awesome. I was super proud of my achievement, I had done something most had yet to do. Now, I'm more along the lines of "Oh, I we won, and I got a 500ad refining item. Woohoo''.
Change the drops from Tiamat (Black Opals, Flawless Saphires, Aquamarines, Marks of Potency), make it a challenge, let us enter with PREMADEs, and get the gear economy rise a bit (T2 items)
Thanks,
A F2P CW
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Then you can make a normal version and an epic version. Just like every other dungeon/skirmish.
Every player can experience it, but there is a challenging version for people to work up to and reward skill. Then you can make campaign tokens later on for people to shortcut the whole campaign and so we end up with 2 ways to reach BIS: investment of effort/skill and money. Now that's a fair f2p model.
But people already can't handle tiamat without special channels. If you actually make it hard just think of all the extra gear score crying when you people actually loose!
Agreed. But the devs desecrated the god by making it a farm. 15 Linus, then 30 Linus, then 50 Linus, that's for the boons. Add another 15 Linus for your cloak. Tiamat should have bee a once-in-your-life fight, that you can complete only once and that gives you a whole boon.
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Meh, she desecrated herself by trying to take over the Prime Material Plane. She should have known better than to try that on Toril. Besides, we're not fighting a "god" - we're fighting the god's avatar - big difference. If we were fighting the goddess herself, there'd be no contest unless we were an equal or greater god than her and her entire essence was NOT on her home plane.
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And then what? We're stuck doing nothing. Yet we can kill valindra and all of the other drakes as many times as we want.
If you count people being able to solo pretty much everything apart from tiamat, then yes the difficulty is fine.
Bet you next mod someone 3 mans tiamat.
If maelstrom 1 shots her heads maybe :P
The thing is it can already be beaten with horrendous lag and 5-6 AFKer per instance. Don't get me wrong, I want bug fixes just as much as everyone else but I want something challenging, and entertaining...
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Honestly, I doubt either will happen so might as well theorise about what we want from it
i dont think they will make game harder any time soon since they should have learned from sto where they listened few formus posters and buffed up game a lot and now noone plays instances and we lost huge amount of players there
Enter at a random time, and you'll get your challenge.
It's a no brainer that this game would die in weeks if some people from these forums would run this game.
Here some Epic dungeons and their wrong GS
Valindra's Tower - 10500
Castle Never - 9200
Temple of the Spider - 8300
The Dread Vault - 8300
Can you believe these scores? These scores must be min 14k if you ask me. And Tiamat must be min 16k and harder and more rewarding.
Umm no. If you need them that high, you are using GS to overcome a skill handicap. There is some argument that could be made in bumping them up 1k each but that's it.
YES! I agree with this. There HAVE been some good ideas presented in these forums, and ALSO some very bad ones. Making a thread with a title "make tiamat harder" is really irresponsible, and does not take into consideration multiple factors.
The lower skill you have (the worse you play) the higher GS you need to finish dungeon.
I never kicked/voted anybody because of too low GS. I never saw anybody not to be able to survive/make enough control/dps/heal/… because of too low GS.
However I kicked/voted a few 20k+++ players who was playing weak / disturbing / dieing many times because of no dodge/control/attack/heal/… at the right time/place/…
I would even say that these values should be, imo, a recommended GS while there should be no minimum.
Any GS higher than given values, with a good play, will result in no challenge, just cleaning the next room, defeating the next boss.
Like I said previously, Tiamat should not be challenging because I have to PUG it, it should be challenging due to mechanics. I feel that given all the power creep, harder content is urgently needed.
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