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Please turn off Burning guidance till you fix it.
charononus
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Burning guidance is a big part of the tiamat lag and the lag from other he's when a large zerg comes to them. When you get AS or any aoe healing, going with enough people there the server starts to pewter out and you get massive lag spikes so that a whole tiamat raid will start to run in slideshow mode. Since there are a large number of griefers in f2p games and they've now gravitated to clerics to do this. Please for the love of god disable burning guidance completely until you can fix it properly. Turn it off, break it so it does nothing till a proper fix can be done.
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I'm asking for a bandaid till the real fix can happen so that you don't keep getting 1 person ruining 24 peoples game by turning tiamat into a slideshow. Bandaid the problem to stop the griefing then work on a proper fix.
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WTB Class Reroll please
I am bad at sarcasm :<
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And I've been in arguments tonight with people that say that they're going to use it because it does what it says it's going to and if the server can't handle it that's not their problem so..... my sarcasm detection might be off.
Till now all people (1% analysed the problem and 99% parrots) were saying the lag was a combination of astral seal and burning guidance - so most DCs unslotted their astral seal and put in some garbage at-will.
You ask every DC to spend a retraining token to respec his character based only on your assumptions - never gonna happen.
I respect your analysis and you could be right - but without proof and/or official statement not many DCs will change their boon selection.
I haven't managed to. If you know different, and how to reproduce it, by all means PM me, and I'd be delighted to verify it for myself and STFU for once in my life.
When the bug was still problematic, it was easiest to do during herald fights. The Tiamat fight isn't a great test as that is prone to massive and crippling lag spikes anyway- just because of the 25 players in one instance, with all their spell effects. Actually- I think that's the nub of it, people see the lag, and assume that it's the fault of the DC bug- which does not appear to exist any more. The engine isn't good, and tends to tank badly with a lot of players around. Remember the developer livestream preview of the fight? Not pretty.
Like I say, happy to be proven wrong, but please be discrete and use PM if you do.
My guess is though, the more DoT damage you have, the higher chance the lag hits you. Not sure how and in what way DC's dps output from burning guidance affects all this stuff but I'd be really greatful if somebody finally recorded a video and posted it as a proove because we all see that and yet people doubt there exists such a thing.
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I don't buy that either. When the actual measurable bug existed, the cleric was crippled too. "The clerics themselves don't usually have the lag" sounds like more poorly substantiated wooly magical thinking. It seems stretching credulity to assert that the fix just magically lag-proofed clerics. Sorry, and all that.
When the bug existed, it was because burning guidance and heal ticks procced so often that everyone in range ground to a halt. I was able to test it both as a DC and on my CW/SW while a DC sealed on demand and moved in and out of range. I can't reproduce it on demand any more. Vague hand-waving "I seen like 7 people failing down in a pit" (sic) anecdotes just don't cut it.
Yes, I do doubt it. What we can agree on, however, is that clear and properly organised video proof would be nice.
I have no issues with any other game and FPS.
Perhaps somebody else reading this thread will help us out soon?
WTB Class Reroll please
See, that's the problem. I can easily record video without any additional framerate issues. NVidia Shadowplay is lovely, and does the h.264 encoding on the GPU, and keeps the last N minutes in a ringbuffer, so you can even record retrospectively. I'd be delighted to whip up a little video, top and tail it, add captions and upload it.
Before the fix, I could provoke the bug at will, dramatically and provably, and this would have been a walk in the park. I could do it with Heralds, ToD dragons, in normal five-man dungeons- whatever you liked. The problem was not even up for debate, I could reduce everyone to a slideshow- everywhere. Without fail. Instantly.
However, now I can't. The fact that the Tiamat fight drops slows to a crawl occasionally seems to be more to do with that specific fight being broken. Occam's Razor makes me reluctant to jump to any more tenuous conclusions.
However, prove me wrong, and get me info about how I can reproduce the bug these days, and I will gladly make your video for you and be joining in the "bugging Cryptic for a fix" chorus just as loudly as anyone. When the bug did exist, I actually raised a ticket early on, as well as telling Akro and Panderus privately (they must hate their PM inboxes
(More awake readers will recall the QQing when 20 (?) players in GG was the worst engine-breaker in the game, before the "Shared Burdens" feat even existed. See a pattern?)
Seriously, if you think there is a bug, and expect it to be fixed, you need proper solid usable information about how to reproduce it anyway. If you can manage this, I'd happily help with video evidence on the back of it. That said, I'm willing to bet your life that what you're seeing is to do with head breath spell effects and similar needing a serious performance pass.
Do it! What we'd need is clear "this is me setting up to cause the problem... this is me causing the problem... aaaaand here's the horror of the problem ruining everyone's day"- obviously "here's some video of HAMSTER framerates in the Tiamat fight" isn't gonna cut it, as the framerates plunging is something we're used to, from long before this mod
(My upload speeds are lamentable too, I feel your pain. I'd suggest maybe lowering either spatial resolution or framerate on the export, then you can drop the data rate relatively low- 3Mbps 1080p24/25 h.264 generally looks good enough, especially if you try and rein in full-screen deltas when you want to show detail)
Rumor control=fail.
In a general matter, NWO seems to be poorly coded as it is resource consuming like no other game I play. For some reason it has bad synergy with plethora of programs, most notably some browsers, which is mega annoying. On top of the whole Tiamat issue, several graphical bugs are off the chart ever since M5. You leanr to live with it, but they need to put serious work into the engine rather sooner than later.
I think asking people to respec their character because of a glitch with a server is going a bit far. I sure as hell can't afford that. I'm still trying to buy character slots to build a leadership army. I'm not wasting zen on respec tokens because they're too cheap to upgrade their servers or just fix this problem in some other way. I hardly use any healing in Tiamat anyway, it's mostly just buffs and debuffs but I think this idea you have that clerics should respec out of a useful boon because it's annoying in one instance is just ridiculous.
You have to understand how they fixed things. The previous fix was because of the interaction of a feat and burning guidance. They put a 0.5 icd on the feat. (I apologize I don't remember the feats name, maybe someone can post that). This without a doubt made things better. However it did not completely remove the problem. Now it just takes more people and more healing to cause the same problems. They did a fix but it was just another bandaid without fixing the root of the problem. That is why I'm asking for a bigger bandaid to stabilize the game until a proper fix can be implemented.
It doesn't cost zen to do so. I'm not asking anyone to spend zen. A feat respec for just ad can handle it. And atm the boon is not useful it's detrimental. Look at the people on the forums that are talking about 40 tiamat losses in a row. They're clerics and using burning guidance.
Shared Burdens? (It's Astral Seal, Shared Burdens and Burning Guidance that interact)
I think that was it. Thank you.
Yeah, it's "just" 80k astral diamonds. That's barely a drop in the bucket to you, right? Are you going to pay that 80k AD for every cleric woth burning guidance? And that boon absolutely is useful in pretty much every situation that isn't the Tiamat fight. Nevermind that this idea you have is just ridiculous from the beginning. You shouldn't be asking clerics to respec and you shouldn't be asking the devs to just break the only useful capstone for a healer in DR boons. You should instead be asking the devs to fix what is broken. Apparently you're doing that, but the other stuff you're doing here is just ridiculous. Burning guidance is nice and clerics shouldn't have to repspec. Which boon do you think healers should take from DR instead? The shield? Madness stacks? Oh lifesteal, obviously since I've got so much of that going on. Come on, man.
Even leaving it unpicked is better than picking it at the moment, so yes any of those are better options at the moment. And it isn't just tiamat. Get a big enough HE zerg and you'll see it there too.
As far as price, no I'm not going to respec everyone on the server. However 78k ad is not that much. If you're playing every day you should be able to earn that without a problem.
The other options for clerics if they don't want to grief parties are:
Don't run tiamat or HE's, do 5 person or less content only.
Play an alt till it's fixed
Your fun as a DC does not out weigh the 24 other people in your instance for tiamat or everyone else in your he zerg. It sucks. I get that. But it sucks worse for us when you make it impossible for us to actually play.
78k isn't much? Heh. Thanks for that. Like I said. That'll take me a few days of playing, with a focus on getting AD. That's a lot to me.
And it's not an issue of "my fun" vs "your fun." It's an issue of you asking me to spend a valuable resource on something I shouldn't have to spend it on in the first place. Just so I can spend it again later when they finally get around to solving the problem. And your alternative solutions are: well just don't play then. So basically it looks like what you're saying is that you're more important than me.
And if you reread my initial post you'll see that I said I barely even do any healing in Tiamat. Buffs and Debuffs. CC during clerics. I'M not ruining anyone's game. But if anyone IS ruining your game you need to realize that it isn't their fault. It's the fault of some lines of code that are causing something screwy to happen. It's the fault of the guy who said "no" when asked if they should upgrade to better servers. But the person playing the DC? They're just playing the game, just like you, and they picked a boon which was useful to them. DCs are just as frustrated as you are. We're tired of every time someone has a bit of lag everything getting blamed on us right away. Nevermind that you didn't even heal anyone or anything. You're a DC. You make lag. You're sounding like that sort of person right now.
Tell you what though. You give me 80k AD and I'll gladly respec just to make you happy.
I'm not saying I"m more important. I'm saying that 24 people outweigh one. So if you are the one cleric, yeah, the 24 others outweigh you.
You're still not getting how ridiculous it is to ask people to spend 80k AD to respec their characters? Really? How much AD do you have right now? Tens of millions? Hundred million? I feel like I'm talking to a doctor about the price of gasoline or something right now.
Not much, just spent a bunch. Probably only about 1 million spread around. You however aren't getting the point. You are one person. Twenty-four is greater than one.
Here's the deal though, that 80k. I can make that in one good night of playing and selling drops on the ah still. That's about 3-4 hours of playtime.
Yeah man. And I'm just a GRIEFER too. That's what you call people who select useful boons to help out while playing the game. Clearly the problem here is all the jerkwad DCs who chose Burning Guidance just to grief you and those 23 other people.