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Str or Dex for pvp

imm0rtalboyimm0rtalboy Member Posts: 76 Arc User
edited December 2014 in The Thieves' Den
Since we have 100% citr from stealth do you prefer to add points on Dex for citr or deflect or do you think str is more important for pvp to increase your dmg
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  • myowmyowmyowmyow Member Posts: 1,923 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Hard to say - with the way all of the TR slamming is going on, the 100% crit from stealth may likely be nerfed. If that happens, this thread's meaning will change a lot.
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  • vladious1977vladious1977 Member Posts: 244 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Dex all the way. Even if the crit from stealth does not get nerfed it still adds deflect. Deflect in PVP is not a bad thing to have.
  • wyndrarchwyndrarch Member Posts: 147
    edited December 2014
    Obviously it will depend on preference and build, but I ignored Dex as much as possible and went for Str & Cha (which gives just as much deflect as Dex). Will I come to regret it if they eventually remove the 100% crit? Likely.

    But for the meantime I'm golden.
  • vladious1977vladious1977 Member Posts: 244 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    wyndrarch wrote: »
    Obviously it will depend on preference and build, but I ignored Dex as much as possible and went for Str & Cha (which gives just as much deflect as Dex). Will I come to regret it if they eventually remove the 100% crit? Likely.

    But for the meantime I'm golden.

    Cha was not a choice he gave and to pick Cha over con for PVP means it is not a true pvp build.
  • grimelrokgrimelrok Member Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I've always been a fan of STR and DEX heavy builds for TRs. (I put all my stat points into both of them to get them both as high as possible)
  • crusherbeastcrusherbeast Member Posts: 426 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    myowmyow wrote: »
    Hard to say - with the way all of the TR slamming is going on, the 100% crit from stealth may likely be nerfed. If that happens, this thread's meaning will change a lot.
    I don't really know what are you talking about. What crit nerf? If not the fact that TR has 100% crit from stealth then this super slow gloaming cut would have like 2 times better dmg. Now it's super slow and non crit hit is just facepalm. Same goes with shocking execution and bloodbath. All of those powers have terribly weak dmg, and only from crit and all bonus they can deal decent damage. That is why this argument that 100% crit chance can get nerfed is completely irrelevant.
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  • onegaki101onegaki101 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 327 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Depends on the type of TR you going to be. If you are a perma stealth/be in stealth most of the time, then STR.
    If you are a Scoundrel, go for Dex. I am still working on maximizing my deflect chance and have noticed a big difference in survivability.

    Plus, I love the feeling one gets when deflecting a high damage/long cooldown power like lashing blade.
  • wyndrarchwyndrarch Member Posts: 147
    edited December 2014
    vladious1977 wrote: »
    Cha was not a choice he gave and to pick Cha over con for PVP means it is not a true pvp build.

    Or I'm the most fragile of glass cannons - not all builds are based on forever increasing resiliency.
  • overdriver13overdriver13 Member Posts: 1,521 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    My opinion- the answer to the op is str and dex as nearly equal second place holders behind con, for pvp. Str being slightly more important than dex.
  • fr3akout3fr3akout3 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 72
    edited December 2014
    vladious1977 wrote: »
    Cha was not a choice he gave and to pick Cha over con for PVP means it is not a true pvp build.

    This is the right answer
  • myowmyowmyowmyow Member Posts: 1,923 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Why wouldn't CHA be a choice for PvP build? CHA gives twice the deflect % increase that DEX gives (1% per point versus 0.5% per point).

    Since the TR deflect is 75%, wouldn't it be good to have very high deflect in PvP? PvP damage potential is far greater than in PvE.
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    myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
    pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
    looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
  • onegaki101onegaki101 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 327 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    You should look again. Dex gives 1% deflect. It was introduced in Mod5(although bugged as it gave it to all classes until it was fixed about four patches ago so only TRs benefit from this).
  • myowmyowmyowmyow Member Posts: 1,923 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    onegaki101 wrote: »
    You should look again. Dex gives 1% deflect. It was introduced in Mod5(although bugged as it gave it to all classes until it was fixed about four patches ago so only TRs benefit from this).

    What?? If that is the case, I'm going to open a formal complaint - I bought and upgraded the CHA belt for the most Deflect Rating I could get!!

    Ugh - communication from Cryptic/PWE remains their biggest downfall!!
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    myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
    pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
    looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
  • cjh1983cjh1983 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    myowmyow wrote: »
    What?? If that is the case, I'm going to open a formal complaint - I bought and upgraded the CHA belt for the most Deflect Rating I could get!!

    Ugh - communication from Cryptic/PWE remains their biggest downfall!!

    Don't blame them for not reading any patch notes.
  • myowmyowmyowmyow Member Posts: 1,923 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    cjh1983 wrote: »
    Don't blame them for not reading any patch notes.

    I generally ready patch notes, but have not done so lately, so that is my fault.

    However, it seems like those of us TRs who invested in the CHA belt to get max deflect should get some kind of rebate. I would never have gone for CHA belt if DEX had the same deflect % (like it does now) because I would also get the added bonus of more crit chance! Ugh!
    SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! (repeat indefinitely)


    myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
    pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
    looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
  • ralexinorralexinor Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 576 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    myowmyow wrote: »
    I generally ready patch notes, but have not done so lately, so that is my fault.

    However, it seems like those of us TRs who invested in the CHA belt to get max deflect should get some kind of rebate. I would never have gone for CHA belt if DEX had the same deflect % (like it does now) because I would also get the added bonus of more crit chance! Ugh!

    Unless you're PvE or scoundrel or a non-stealth build, CHA is actually better than DEX because raw damage % > crit chance %. CHA also gives combat advantage damage which is the same as what the damage bonus STR gives (for most TRs at least, scoundrel etc. are exceptions), and hence it's actually better in terms of damage.
  • myowmyowmyowmyow Member Posts: 1,923 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    ralexinor wrote: »
    Unless you're PvE or scoundrel or a non-stealth build, CHA is actually better than DEX because raw damage % > crit chance %. CHA also gives combat advantage damage which is the same as what the damage bonus STR gives (for most TRs at least, scoundrel etc. are exceptions), and hence it's actually better in terms of damage.

    Hmm. I'll have to give it some thought.
    SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! (repeat indefinitely)


    myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
    pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
    looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
  • midnightitamidnightita Member Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    STR all the way :)
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