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ixalmaris
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Just a question, when a player reaches level 60 for the first time, what is he supposed to do to get gear? Running dungeons? They are apparently pretty dead by now. Jump right into WoD and hope something good will drop for him? Or farm AD and buy good equipment on the AH?
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Usually by the time you hit level 60, you should have at least 20k AD. That's enough to buy at least 2 pieces of epic equipment(most often boots and gloves). With about a week of doing Rhix/Neverember dailies, there shouldn't be any issue with getting fully geared up in decent epic stuff.
If you are patient:
Work the leadership profession (best with multiple characters) every day (twice a day is best).
Invoke the gods 1-3 times a day with every character.
Do some daily dungeons - get keys from the dwarf near Bazaar lady.
and much more . . .
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Still, unless I am missing something it goes like:
Lvl 60 -> Buy T2 on AH -> WoD
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Depends. The RNG for drops can be rather cruel. T2 gear is rather cheap right now--just bought a complete HV set for my CW for around 250kish--not that long ago you could barely (if that) get a SINGLE HV piece for that little.
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Oh I know those drop rates all too well. And I'm very familiar with those prices. I earned my miracle healer set by running dungeons over and over (and over) again before mod 5. Isn't that how the game was intended to be played? Play content, earn rewards from that content?
The way it is now though, it seems more like you're meant to just skip over all of the dungeons in "Dungeons and Dragons" entirely and just fight the same dragons over and over again all day every day. I just don't get why you would put all that effort into designing dungeons for people to run and then basically make them completely obsolete by having all the rewards from them available from somewhere else, more easily. And it's available so much more easily that the market has become flooded and some of those rewards are selling for even less than their salvage value now. You don't even need to play that content at all. Why would you? A full set of miracle healer is available right now for about 35k AD. Sure, that's convenient, but is it good?
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If 4 other people want to, sure. Not very many people feel like taking the time to run through a dungeon is worth the rewards anymore though. Why would they?
I just got my HR to 60, started doing my daily Foundries while waiting in dungeon queue, got five set pieces from dungeons and started fighting Tiamat within a couple days. I wish my older 60s had had it this easy.
Do Dread Ring - The Daily Dungeons give you epic equipment
Do Dread Ring and Sharandar for boons - it increases your GS and unlocks Icewind Dale
Do Icewind Dale - Black Ice Equipment is strong
Do ToD - You can get more boons and Artefact Weapons and Artefact Belts and more nice epic equipment
Do WoD - Even more Equipment
All this has much content and can be fun.
If you really want to do dungeons:
There are some dungeons, where it's easy to find players. Mostly Valindra's Tower, Malabogs Castle, Lair of the Pirate King, Temple of the Spider and Lair of Lostmauth.
Look for a guild that shares your interests or is willing to support new lvl 60 members in running dungeons for decent gear.
If you are still looking for more content:
Try Foundry
Even in WoW last extension Warlord a Raynor or whatever, you don't get your stuff by playing all the dungeons from the Epoch, you farm the field bosses of the new extension and they loot you the stuff you need to get started.
In your first paragraph, you discuss "running dungeons over and over (and over)" and say that this is the way the game was intended to be played (aka, grinding the same dungeons a lot). In your second paragraph, you are upset that the new grind where you "just fight the same dragons over and over again all day every day." This is still grinding and is very similar to grinding dungeons- except you are grinding dragons above ground instead of underground.
The original D&D was not just underground dungeons, it included many adventures above the ground as well. All of it is grinding, just the setting is different.
Some people think there is too much grinding of the same content, so they are happy to earn AD through a variety of methods (even not buying Zen) to buy equipment on the AH. There is nothing wrong with that if you hate grinding. It's all part of the game.
Based on your final comments, it seems like you are mainly upset that you did lots of grinding for your healer set and now it can be bought for 35k AD ("Sure, that's convenient, but is it good?").
All I know is that buying gear (which you can also do in the real D&D from shops and other players) sure beats ridiculous amounts of grinding. I'll leave that type of grinding to the gaming fanatics and drug addicts who can tolerate it.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
I thought it was dumb too, then I tried it the old fashioned way by grinding it.
My results were:
Queue for T1: Kicked because 18k superheros doing greed runs
Queue for T2: Kicked because I'm not 22k+ doing greed runs
Queue for Skirmishes: Viable source of AD from event
Queue for Campaign Dungeons: It's not dragon-related so it'll never pop or you'll never finish.
I've yet to complete CN or VT with a Pug so idk about those.
Your best bet is to just buy it.
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They at least added RP to SoT and LoL boss loots and Tiamat. Not nearly enough, but it's a start. Bosses should always drop RP in addition to whatever else.
I think you're reading words between lines that aren't actually there. What does drug addicts have to do with anything?
I'm not upset about that at all. Two of my alts now have their T2 set without having to try the DD chest for them even once. That's nice and convenient for me too. I would've preferred to actually fight Karrundax with my mage though. That dungeon is a lot of fun. I'm glad I had many opportunities to actually play that content with at least one of my characters because it's much more fun than fighting the daily dragons. If I'm upset about anything it's that trying to queue for that content, even during a DD anymore has my main, a healer, sitting in queues for 10-15 minutes at a time because no one wants to run that stuff anymore. And those two alts are DPS classes so you can imagine how it goes for them. I usually log in when it's DD on one of them and queue right away while working on my campaign dailies. Lately, it's normal for them to queue with 59min remaining on the DD and not get into a group until after DD is over so I've been making sure to grab the key before I head out. And even then, I'm still just as likely to find a group of 18k speed runners who left a bunch of aggroed mobs by the fire I spawn at and instantly kick me because I'm not needed.
People are saying the atmosphere in dungeons has gotten better? I would love to see that, really. Please, tell me where these people who run the dungeons are now, because I would love to join them. This isn't sarcasm; I really want to play the dungeons and I don't know how to do it anymore because I'm not seeing them on legit since all they seem to do is talk about Tiamat, and the only ones you ever see in LFG and zone are those 18k speedrun groups. What I'm questioning here is exactly what I said: whether it's good to be making half the game obsolete, which is certainly what it seems like this has done from my point of view.
And to add to this commentary about grinding, which isn't even how I feel about it, I think dungeons where you work together with a group of 5 people who are rarely the same so you have to approach things in a different way every time are much more interesting than standing around a dragon with a group of 20+ people who all do the same thing every time because there is generally at least one of everything every time. It's much more of "a grind" that way because the encounters are much shorter and play out the same way every time. That seems a lot less interesting to me than a smaller group doing something that takes longer and requires a lot more adaptation and thinking about what to do where and when.
Yes, I agree. That definitely seems to be your best bet for getting the rewards from that content. If that's all you want, run a bunch of skirmishes and buy it, definitely. I've done that twice now with alts and it's a very easy and reliable way to get the gear. But what I want to know is this: what is your best bet for if you want to actually experience those dungeons? Because I actually want to play those dungeons. I don't even care about the gear from them because I already have it. I just want to have fun again.
Make a guild run. Ask on guild chat for people willing to join you, grab 4 and kick some ***. Though with dungeons dead that might not be easy.
Never Q for a dungeon. Seriously.