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vinceent1
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hi comrades. i want to make thread about GF at Tiamat, which i presume, we are the least usefull class as always. wanna start work on offhand today (until today i played that HE with my HR)
what is the best rotation skills at this HE, lets discuss, give me some hints to be somewhat usefull at this lagfest, thank you
what is the best rotation skills at this HE, lets discuss, give me some hints to be somewhat usefull at this lagfest, thank you
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ITF, KC, single target DPS on heads
Basically I swap ET and KC at every stage of the event, both are just to strong on their respective stages to ignore. The reason there is single target DPS as a 3rd encounter on clerics is swapping 2 just got to be to much work, and since I don't have FLS there isn't a really big choice I am missing out on. I used to KV instead of single target dps as that 3rd encounter, which gets you a giant score, and does help people stay alive, but it isn't more burn for heads which seems to be the critical point.
Also if you are Blue, Red, or Green head to center cleric with your ET.
Red is pretty trivial to survive as a GF. I think I posted a guide that an uber group should go to red. I have since changed that opinion. Uber groups should go to Blue or Green. If you are a high gear score get yourself into those. If you are a low gear score head to black or white. Red is in the middle. You can help the raid by self selecting. It isn't a knock on low GS players. You can help the raid so much by getting yourself into the appropriate group, so that you can DPS without struggling to survive, or the opposite, you can DPS where it is trivial for you to survive whereas for other players it might not be. High GS players trying to be nice by saying "any color" arn't helping the raid. They should get themselves into blue or green with red as a 3rd choice.
I went 3 of 4 saturday night on Tiamat, but I haven't been back yet. I spammed them all day on the first day.
If you stay at corner cleric then use ET and tell to your party not to kill ads. Just agro them and run with them around.
Point is not to kill ads, but prevent them hit cleric. If cleric is full HP go to corner/ledge and throw or let your party members push
them over ledge. Party members can relax and watch your dance. Fighters Recovery is a must then.
Basically you can do corner cleric just with DC and rest can go and help in middle.
Thats it!
Lunge Strike lets me change dragon heads quickly, if we beat it too much.
- Into The Fray I would only use if I felt the group was struggling, as its not really needed if you get some over-geared group with you.
- Enforced Threat is always a good skill to have on with multiple targets about as its rather difficult to tank without it + I usually combine it with Enhanced Mark.
- Knights Challenge can take the place of Knights Valour (which I am told is bad for lag in there atm) and I have often used it versus tough bosses such as dragons due to the damage they can do to the rest of the group. The main advantage is the half damage to everyone else, but also the added advantage of locking aggro on you - the risk is the double damage u take, which means certain attacks could kill you if not avoided instead of blocked.
- Lunging Strike/Bull Rush, good gap closers on adds or when knocked back from boss, Lunging Strike has longer ranged and better threat but Bull Rush is a knockback which is the only control the adds in there aren't resistant/immune to.
- Other good options are things like Knee Breaker, Flourish and FLS for extra threat/damage or Iron Warrior for more survivability.
- Preferred At-Wills for me are Crushing Surge and Tide of Iron. Dailies for fights like this would be Fighter's Recovery and Crescendo/Terrifying Impact.
If you are wondering, i'm quite sure scoring accounts for buffs too.
Everything you need to know about CW:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?780981-Chem-s-CW-Compendium-Everything-you-need-to-know
That aside, can't believe someone just recommended don't use ITF on this raid.
I know all opinions should be respected, but I don't think "over-geared" implies don't use ITF. It is a damage multiplier... you can't over-gear for a multiplier.
I don't feel GFs are useless, in fact, if you do your job well we can make the cleric stage a breeze.
My encounters are pretty much the same as mentioned above. I find myself sticking to LS, ET, ITF the most.
The cleric stage is our chance to shine! I prefer the middle cleric as it get the most adds. There are three spawn points for adds at mid. I like to pick the closest to the ledge and aggro those as they pop. Keep an eye on the other two spawn areas and mark those guys as they spawn. Tab is your friend as it aggros mob to you. It will run to you at platform. You should have a bunch of mobs on you and your local CW or DC can easily blow them off the ledge. Rinse and repeat.
If you happen to be on one of the side clerics it is even easier as there is fewer mobs and spawn points. Same principle, just aggro all mobs and keep them close for the DPSers to kill! Just keep the mobs a good distance from the clerics. Do not round them up on top of the cleric
As I said I prefer the mid cleric as it gets the most mobs and I find that fighters recovery is a must. With all the encounter buffs and stat food buffs I come in around 73K hps so I can take a beating from all the mobs at mid. Even with high health mid can get hairy so if you run lower health, watch how many you pull as those devils can hit hard!
What I never thought of before, does Knights Challenge half the damage done by the AoEs of the mob you have challenged? If so that could be very helpful.
As for not using ITF I will disagree. To me ITF is a must even if the team I am on is crazy geared. A dps boost is a dps boost and it is not capped. It allows for your team to assist other teams that maybe struggling to get their head down quick enough.
Remember, your only good as your weakest link! If you can assist those teams out all the better
Have fun out there!
I know I held my own
That said I in no way ahree we are the leadt useful of classes
I normally hold my own in PVP, unless I get involved in a stun fest
And when when it takes 2 or more folks to hit me they are not doing something else
Geez
Urlord
Encounters: Into the Fray, Lunging Strike, Enforced Threat
Dailies: Indomitable Strength, Fighter's Recovery.
During Cleric phase, should be using Enforced Threat, Threatning Rush, and Lunging Strike to grab as many enemies as possible, tank with Aggrivating Strike, and use Fighter's Recovery to heal. During head phase, use Crushing Surge's damage with Indomitable Strength for single target damage. Into the fray is on cooldown as always.
I don't swap out powers for the head phase, though. Not a buff bot or perma-block, so KC can take me out pretty quick on the head AoE's. Instead I try to kite the mobs over to the side so the dps can do their job on the head. My reasoning is the 2k-4k that I put out on crushing surge/stab would be better used on the mobs than having the dps worry about the mobs & the head.
And yes, buffs/damage taken via KV count toward your score at the end. Generally finish between 2nd-5th place at the end.
only i wondering how can be always high ranking at the end. if i compare with hr, where i spam dps and be always on low if good group
2. In Tiamat phase thus far my GF is the only thing that survives a failed gem cycle relieably (sometimes on some heads can die-soulforge-ravens). So in a worst-case scenario you can gaurd then pick up the rest of the party.
3. Buff/ debuff stuff already mentioned here...
Does Into the fray even works to other people around you?
Its a party buff.
Btw does Knight Valor works to other ppl around you?
My rotation is ET, FLS, KV.
Yes, which makes the GF something of a pick your poison type class.
Pro tips: if you are in an instance where teams are coordinated on each head, then it is better to be grouped up and use ItF. If you are in a zerg instance, it is actually better to use KV and not be in a group as it will effect up to 5 other players (instead of only 4 like if you are in group)
The best spot for the GF is in the middle fighting the green, red, and blue heads as Linu gets swarmed the worst and these heads are a shorter walking distance which helps the slowest class in the game be more effective. Stand near where the adds spawn in front and to the left and right of Linu and use ET when they come up. Then just stand guarding as the other players burn them down. You'll be amazed at how fast GF's can make the cleric phases go.
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This thread isnt about solo content on GF tbh and I think that topic has already been discussed. You are also missing the point of playing a GF that unless you focus on offensive stats and a build like Conq then GF aren't designed to deal damage but take it.
Regarding the Tiamat fight I have one PRO TIP: Knight's Valour is overrated on many fights and not the answer to all fights, a much better option on this fight is to use Knight's Challenge as this reduces the damage that the targeted head by half to EVERYONE (but yourself of course). For the adds if you know how to tank just use Enforced Threat to bring them to u.
I believe the GF is a very underrated class. They can be a great asset if you know how to tank properly with them.
On my CW I had, by chance, a group with a debuff DC a GF and 2 other dps classes. It was at the beginning, before zerg mode. We begun at black, dpsed him to 20%, went to green, when we arrived he had lost 10%, dpsed him to 20% and went on to red and got him to half his HP. Thanks to buffs/ debuffs a good group can do the work of a mediocre zerg. Utilize that buffs, to help your group win the fights.