If I were to start a new character, my mindset would have to be to take it slow, one campaign at a time with maybe a little dabbling in others if my playtime allowed on any day. The worst thing to do would be to get a new character and try to do every daily every day. Talk about burnout!
I hated Sharandar for a while, but when I ONLY focused on Sharandar, I actually kind of enjoyed it. IWD was the same thing. Easy to progress as long as you weren't ALSO trying to do Dread and Sharandar and Dragons at the same time.
Anyway, my point is, if a new class does come out, the best way to make one would be to go slow with the boons and enjoy it, rather than trying to speed and catch up to your current characters. That way would only lead to frustration and a real feeling of a grind.
Of course, I'm a pve player and don't have the need to try to get a pvp toon up to a respectable point that matches players who spend more money or have more time than I do to play.
My alts are filled with blue gear, R5s and no boons.
I still like to have them though... just to see how things work on their classes... and I like to play a little with them, even because my buffy GWF is H-O-T.
Okay... uhm... back on topic: I'm betting 24k AD on Druid @ M6.
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chemboy613Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,521Arc User
edited November 2014
90% sure it's druid.
Thinking it will be buffer/DPS hybrid, not sure. Have some summon spells. See the shamans in IWD.
They said they plan something big in Mod6, which might be even a too big term for just a new class. Maybe best though, we need balance over addition currently.
They said they plan something big in Mod6, which might be even a too big term for just a new class. Maybe best though, we need balance over addition currently.
If they did something like increase the level cap or just add another difficulty they can overhaul the whole thing since it's all too messy.
Whatever it is I hope it has some interesting mechanics , D&D wiki says this about 4th edition Druids -
4th edition
In 4th edition, druids are controllers, the same role as wizards. Like all controllers, druids' capabilities are focused on multi-target damage, debuffing and battlefield control. In addition to their controller capabilities, druids can also lean towards the leader role, gaining buffing and damage prevention capabilities, or the striker role, emphasizing mobility and single-target damage.
Can D&D Druids Shapeshift? that would be interesting , especially if they have more than one form they can shift into.
Whatever it is I hope it has some interesting mechanics , D&D wiki says this about 4th edition Druids -
Can D&D Druids Shapeshift? that would be interesting , especially if they have more than one form they can shift into.
This is just idle speculation (with a hefty dose of dreaming), but I would love to see the 3 feat trees for a Druid each be tied to a specific animal shape.
At lvl 10 the Druid would gain the ability to shape-shift into a Wolf (or whatever, wolf works for now) by using the TAB key. This would be the default form and would be further supported by the middle feat tree.
The top tree of feats would be the "Bear" tree, culminating in a Bear form as the capstone (which would replace the wolf form entirely), the Bottom feat tree could be the "Mountain lion" form (tired of everything being a panther, but I suppose that could work as well).
I would envision the Wolf form/tree to be focused primarily on party buffing and control. Entangling roots, flanking bonuses, some healing, party movement bonuses. The cap stone would be a boost to the wolf form with additional bonuses to human form casting.
The Bear tree would be the "tanky" tree without turning the druid into a tank. Party defensive buffs, slightly better healing bonuses, extra control resistance and possibly a build-up power/damage bonus based on how much damage the Bear is taking. But no additional aggro-generating skills, this is not meant to replace a GF.
The Lion form/tree would be about single target control and DPS, more TR like than the other options. To make it more interesting I would like to see lifesteal buffs and single target controls with little or no healing bonuses to the party. This would most likely be the solo choice, but care would have to be taken to make sure that it would still be useful in a group, some sort of party wide combat advantage damage bonus and/or a way to give the party CA would work if done correctly.
Anyway, I was mainly just thinking out loud, but I am hopeful that a Druid class in NW would be a lot of fun to play. However, the class that I most want in this game is a BARD.
This is just idle speculation (with a hefty dose of dreaming), but I would love to see the 3 feat trees for a Druid each be tied to a specific animal shape.
At lvl 10 the Druid would gain the ability to shape-shift into a Wolf (or whatever, wolf works for now) by using the TAB key. This would be the default form and would be further supported by the middle feat tree.
The top tree of feats would be the "Bear" tree, culminating in a Bear form as the capstone (which would replace the wolf form entirely), the Bottom feat tree could be the "Mountain lion" form (tired of everything being a panther, but I suppose that could work as well).
I would envision the Wolf form/tree to be focused primarily on party buffing and control. Entangling roots, flanking bonuses, some healing, party movement bonuses. The cap stone would be a boost to the wolf form with additional bonuses to human form casting.
The Bear tree would be the "tanky" tree without turning the druid into a tank. Party defensive buffs, slightly better healing bonuses, extra control resistance and possibly a build-up power/damage bonus based on how much damage the Bear is taking. But no additional aggro-generating skills, this is not meant to replace a GF.
The Lion form/tree would be about single target control and DPS, more TR like than the other options. To make it more interesting I would like to see lifesteal buffs and single target controls with little or no healing bonuses to the party. This would most likely be the solo choice, but care would have to be taken to make sure that it would still be useful in a group, some sort of party wide combat advantage damage bonus and/or a way to give the party CA would work if done correctly.
Anyway, I was mainly just thinking out loud, but I am hopeful that a Druid class in NW would be a lot of fun to play. However, the class that I most want in this game is a BARD.
That's not really how 4e Druids work. You're thinking more WoW, which is fine, it's just not the same. You don't gain additional stats. "You choose a specific form whenever you use wild shape, and that form has no effect on your game statistics or movement modes." And you don't get spells in wild shape either unless they're classified as Beast Form abilities. So a buffing animal would be out of the question. You can sustain spells though, so it's more likely you'd start out a battle in human form, buff, CC, then go beast mode to melee.
The druid is a controller class that can lean either to leader or striker depending on how you go. Primal Guardian is more tanky, Primal Predator is more striking.
As for the animal shape itself. I'm guessing they'll throw in a shape they choose, that's already in the files, and call it a day. I'll be surprised if we get multiple choices to choose from.
That's not really how 4e Druids work. You're thinking more WoW, which is fine, it's just not the same. You don't gain additional stats. "You choose a specific form whenever you use wild shape, and that form has no effect on your game statistics or movement modes." And you don't get spells in wild shape either unless they're classified as Beast Form abilities. So a buffing animal would be out of the question. You can sustain spells though, so it's more likely you'd start out a battle in human form, buff, CC, then go beast mode to melee.
The druid is a controller class that can lean either to leader or striker depending on how you go. Primal Guardian is more tanky, Primal Predator is more striking.
As for the animal shape itself. I'm guessing they'll throw in a shape they choose, that's already in the files, and call it a day. I'll be surprised if we get multiple choices to choose from.
I know it is not how 4thE Druids work, but I despise 4thE Druids. I was mainly just thinking out loud and trying to find some way to use the shapeshift for Druids in NWO, because if they do not tie it to the TAB ability then I do not think we will get it.
last class we got was magic-ish, last 2 classes we got are ranged(at least for pve)
Whether we want them or not, I am pretty sure Druids are coming. It was alluded to by the devs previously so i would think that it is a foregone conclusion. The best we may hope for is that Druids get pushed back and another class comes out before them, but don't hold your breath.
Whether we want them or not, I am pretty sure Druids are coming. It was alluded to by the devs previously so i would think that it is a foregone conclusion. The best we may hope for is that Druids get pushed back and another class comes out before them, but don't hold your breath.
it should be either druids or paladins, that is if there will be any players left after the bs the just pulled with RP items
I know it is not how 4thE Druids work, but I despise 4thE Druids. I was mainly just thinking out loud and trying to find some way to use the shapeshift for Druids in NWO, because if they do not tie it to the TAB ability then I do not think we will get it.
Yeah, I don't think it's really their choice though. Remember anything to do with classes has to go through WotC to get approved. The books aren't even allowed to deviate their character class from the ones available. I'm sure wild shape will be on the tab ability. It'll be like the rangers dual stance. You'll have spell powers to pick, with a second wild shape power attached. Change in and out with tab.
Yeah, I don't think it's really their choice though. Remember anything to do with classes has to go through WotC to get approved. The books aren't even allowed to deviate their character class from the ones available. I'm sure wild shape will be on the tab ability. It'll be like the rangers dual stance. You'll have spell powers to pick, with a second wild shape power attached. Change in and out with tab.
I agree. My suggestions were simply that, a way to make it a little more intersting than having all Druids switch to the same animal all the time. I can already see several pitfalls in my suggestions, I was mainly just throwing it out there for dscussion.
Why, cause i love my GF, but sadly he is nowhere near a DnD GF, he was a disaster for over a year and now only a "living" punching bag, the fighter word is at wrong place. Either you make a GF a decent (not good) fighter, then he is squishy or you waste tons of money and pray to the RNG gods and you can make a Hp monster with no fighting capabilities.
So a nice Paladin could fix the whole the GF has made or to be precise, was made.
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I voted for Druid before I realised how old this thread is. But I suppose it still counts towards Module 6.
My first two characters were DC purely because there was no Druid in the game.
My second choices would be Bard and Monk. I enjoyed them both in IWD and IWD II, and also in Neverwinter Nights and the expansions.
Barbarian
The GWF is sort of a Barbarian; two-handed weapon, medium armour, no shield, no missiles. Unstoppable is basically Berserker Rage by another name. I can't really see another, similar melee class that would be sufficiently different or interesting.
Paladin
The GF seems to be a bit like a Paladin now with his party buffs (except no direct healing and even the Cleric cannot Turn Undead)
Psion
This might be interesting, but with two CWs and two SWs maybe not different enough.
Shaman
Seems pretty much like a diluted Druid to me, although things may be different in 4E.
Sorcerer
Well, this is basically another SW, isn't it?
Swordmage
? Melee weapons, but ranged and AoE Encounters/Dailies?
Warlord
Return of the Son of Guardian, but with some dps?
Invoker
This is what the Neverwinter CW basically is - an Elementalist Invoker (Fire, Ice and Lightning) with high dps AND the ability to permanently immobilise you while you melt.
Battlemind
Never heard of it. Some sort of Psionic character?
Runepriest
Ditto, but some sort of DC/Shaman/Druid specialising in ground-based Rune traps like Chains of Blazing Light, except they actually work?
Seeker
Ditto, but it sounds like some sort of Priest or Monk.
Spellscarred
Another spell caster?
Nah - for me, Druid, Monk and Bard.
I'd buy New Character Slots just to play them.
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I voted for Druid before I realised how old this thread is. But I suppose it still counts towards Module 6.
This thread remains relevant until we get a new class. Just as was done before when we got the Hunter Ranger and then again here with the Scourge Warlock, when a new class is introduced or announced, this thread will be made anew. The same goes for our "The "New Race(s)" Feedback Thread," in respect to new races. These threads do not pertain to any Module but instead apply to the over-all wish of players to have a new class or race regardless of the next Module.
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I don't see any need for a new class, until the current classes are fixed.
Doesn't really work that way. I would think that the devs which are working on the new class are not the same that work on balancing the current classes. (I am sure that there is some overlap, but not that much). And new classes are a nice thing to look forward to.
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aulduronMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,351Arc User
edited November 2014
Then perhaps they should move some new class devs to the old. Then put a few on the "don't let new classes trivialize old classes" team.
This thread remains relevant until we get a new class. Just as was done before when we got the Hunter Ranger and then again here with the Scourge Warlock, when a new class is introduced or announced, this thread will be made anew.
So, do you delete the poll and make a new one when they release a new class, but you keep the thread date the same?
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The grind started in IWD for me as well. I still can't find the motivation to finish the last 2 boons, and they are fairly easy compared to ToD.
Although I still welcome many classes. Always nice to have options, even if you don't choose them
I hated Sharandar for a while, but when I ONLY focused on Sharandar, I actually kind of enjoyed it. IWD was the same thing. Easy to progress as long as you weren't ALSO trying to do Dread and Sharandar and Dragons at the same time.
Anyway, my point is, if a new class does come out, the best way to make one would be to go slow with the boons and enjoy it, rather than trying to speed and catch up to your current characters. That way would only lead to frustration and a real feeling of a grind.
Of course, I'm a pve player and don't have the need to try to get a pvp toon up to a respectable point that matches players who spend more money or have more time than I do to play.
I still like to have them though... just to see how things work on their classes... and I like to play a little with them, even because my buffy GWF is H-O-T.
Okay... uhm... back on topic: I'm betting 24k AD on Druid @ M6.
Thinking it will be buffer/DPS hybrid, not sure. Have some summon spells. See the shamans in IWD.
Everything you need to know about CW:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?780981-Chem-s-CW-Compendium-Everything-you-need-to-know
If they did something like increase the level cap or just add another difficulty they can overhaul the whole thing since it's all too messy.
Can D&D Druids Shapeshift? that would be interesting , especially if they have more than one form they can shift into.
This is just idle speculation (with a hefty dose of dreaming), but I would love to see the 3 feat trees for a Druid each be tied to a specific animal shape.
At lvl 10 the Druid would gain the ability to shape-shift into a Wolf (or whatever, wolf works for now) by using the TAB key. This would be the default form and would be further supported by the middle feat tree.
The top tree of feats would be the "Bear" tree, culminating in a Bear form as the capstone (which would replace the wolf form entirely), the Bottom feat tree could be the "Mountain lion" form (tired of everything being a panther, but I suppose that could work as well).
I would envision the Wolf form/tree to be focused primarily on party buffing and control. Entangling roots, flanking bonuses, some healing, party movement bonuses. The cap stone would be a boost to the wolf form with additional bonuses to human form casting.
The Bear tree would be the "tanky" tree without turning the druid into a tank. Party defensive buffs, slightly better healing bonuses, extra control resistance and possibly a build-up power/damage bonus based on how much damage the Bear is taking. But no additional aggro-generating skills, this is not meant to replace a GF.
The Lion form/tree would be about single target control and DPS, more TR like than the other options. To make it more interesting I would like to see lifesteal buffs and single target controls with little or no healing bonuses to the party. This would most likely be the solo choice, but care would have to be taken to make sure that it would still be useful in a group, some sort of party wide combat advantage damage bonus and/or a way to give the party CA would work if done correctly.
Anyway, I was mainly just thinking out loud, but I am hopeful that a Druid class in NW would be a lot of fun to play. However, the class that I most want in this game is a BARD.
That's not really how 4e Druids work. You're thinking more WoW, which is fine, it's just not the same. You don't gain additional stats. "You choose a specific form whenever you use wild shape, and that form has no effect on your game statistics or movement modes." And you don't get spells in wild shape either unless they're classified as Beast Form abilities. So a buffing animal would be out of the question. You can sustain spells though, so it's more likely you'd start out a battle in human form, buff, CC, then go beast mode to melee.
The druid is a controller class that can lean either to leader or striker depending on how you go. Primal Guardian is more tanky, Primal Predator is more striking.
As for the animal shape itself. I'm guessing they'll throw in a shape they choose, that's already in the files, and call it a day. I'll be surprised if we get multiple choices to choose from.
last class we got was magic-ish, last 2 classes we got are ranged(at least for pve)
I know it is not how 4thE Druids work, but I despise 4thE Druids. I was mainly just thinking out loud and trying to find some way to use the shapeshift for Druids in NWO, because if they do not tie it to the TAB ability then I do not think we will get it.
Whether we want them or not, I am pretty sure Druids are coming. It was alluded to by the devs previously so i would think that it is a foregone conclusion. The best we may hope for is that Druids get pushed back and another class comes out before them, but don't hold your breath.
it should be either druids or paladins, that is if there will be any players left after the bs the just pulled with RP items
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Yeah, I don't think it's really their choice though. Remember anything to do with classes has to go through WotC to get approved. The books aren't even allowed to deviate their character class from the ones available. I'm sure wild shape will be on the tab ability. It'll be like the rangers dual stance. You'll have spell powers to pick, with a second wild shape power attached. Change in and out with tab.
I agree. My suggestions were simply that, a way to make it a little more intersting than having all Druids switch to the same animal all the time. I can already see several pitfalls in my suggestions, I was mainly just throwing it out there for dscussion.
Why, cause i love my GF, but sadly he is nowhere near a DnD GF, he was a disaster for over a year and now only a "living" punching bag, the fighter word is at wrong place. Either you make a GF a decent (not good) fighter, then he is squishy or you waste tons of money and pray to the RNG gods and you can make a Hp monster with no fighting capabilities.
So a nice Paladin could fix the whole the GF has made or to be precise, was made.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
My first two characters were DC purely because there was no Druid in the game.
My second choices would be Bard and Monk. I enjoyed them both in IWD and IWD II, and also in Neverwinter Nights and the expansions.
Barbarian
The GWF is sort of a Barbarian; two-handed weapon, medium armour, no shield, no missiles. Unstoppable is basically Berserker Rage by another name. I can't really see another, similar melee class that would be sufficiently different or interesting.
Paladin
The GF seems to be a bit like a Paladin now with his party buffs (except no direct healing and even the Cleric cannot Turn Undead)
Psion
This might be interesting, but with two CWs and two SWs maybe not different enough.
Shaman
Seems pretty much like a diluted Druid to me, although things may be different in 4E.
Sorcerer
Well, this is basically another SW, isn't it?
Swordmage
? Melee weapons, but ranged and AoE Encounters/Dailies?
Warlord
Return of the Son of Guardian, but with some dps?
Invoker
This is what the Neverwinter CW basically is - an Elementalist Invoker (Fire, Ice and Lightning) with high dps AND the ability to permanently immobilise you while you melt.
Battlemind
Never heard of it. Some sort of Psionic character?
Runepriest
Ditto, but some sort of DC/Shaman/Druid specialising in ground-based Rune traps like Chains of Blazing Light, except they actually work?
Seeker
Ditto, but it sounds like some sort of Priest or Monk.
Spellscarred
Another spell caster?
Nah - for me, Druid, Monk and Bard.
I'd buy New Character Slots just to play them.
Safe travels,
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Doesn't really work that way. I would think that the devs which are working on the new class are not the same that work on balancing the current classes. (I am sure that there is some overlap, but not that much). And new classes are a nice thing to look forward to.
So, do you delete the poll and make a new one when they release a new class, but you keep the thread date the same?
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