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lady808
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Anyone have any opinions on these two sets? Both seem useful for parties. I mean outside of the Overload slots of course. Not counting those slots.. Which would you use more and why?
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I think the shadow weaver buffs are better than draconic too. I am hoping one day they release a new armor set with a really good set bonus
Everything you need to know about CW:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?780981-Chem-s-CW-Compendium-Everything-you-need-to-know
I'm wearing it now just because I'm so tired of the HV set, and I don't really want to bother long-term with the constant feeding of Black Ice to the other set. And at this point, my gear is so overblown for the content we're facing, it doesn't really matter that much. The difference in total stats between BI and Draconic is such a small percentage of my overall stats, I really didn't notice any difference.
If you want to wear the Draconic set, wear it. At least it works as advertised, and I was never a big fan of the stats on the HV set.
You'll be fine in either.
Everything you need to know about CW:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?780981-Chem-s-CW-Compendium-Everything-you-need-to-know
I think OP was trying to create a discussion about which armor set would be more efficient to produce the most DPS for your party, in which case I still say High Vizier's debuff is the best.
Of course in your sense, ANY epic armor would suffice. PVE content in this game is too easy and unrewarding so you have a point that it really doesn't matter nor is it worth it.
450 power is less than 3% DPS increase. Both the SW set and the HV set will help you far more
2500 lifesteal is way way way beyond diminishing returns. Going over 1500 is pointless.
This is called "pointlessly inflating GS without understanding how the game works."
Everything you need to know about CW:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?780981-Chem-s-CW-Compendium-Everything-you-need-to-know
And also remember the HV set bonus isn't some sort of magical buff that automatically upgrades the team DPS by 30%. It still has to be applied by the right spells, and it falls off rather quickly as well.
From the wiki:
So yeah, you can juggle a few powers to try and keep the debuff up as much as you can, but except for bosses where you can focus on a single mob, it's highly unlikely that you're going to have three stacks of the debuff up on everything all the time.
It's still a great bonus, I'm not disputing that...but there's a little more to the discussion than just assuming it's a 30% increase in party damage that's automatically added, because it's not nearly that simple.
On the other hand, the Draconic set is. Assuming you stay within 50ft of your party members (or they stay within 50ft of you), it's on all the time and they're always benefiting from it. Plus the stat distribution is much better on the Draconic set...the stats are fairly weak as far as DPS is concerned on the HV set. With Power, Crit, Armor Pen, HP and Lifesteal stacked on the Draconic set, it's really well-balanced for CW's.
Plus you can't discount the extra stats and damage coming from overload slots.
Probably good if 2 CWs are wearing HV already.
It would help if you posted your results.
Quite sure you can outdps HV with any set with overloads, if you slot Red Glyphs. People usually complain about them in PvP, but let's just say the amount of PvE cheese these glyphs are able to produce is just as thick. For example glyphs on a purified set, Endless Consumption, 2000 LS, and other +Inc Healing boons/artifacts make for an incredibly tanky CW that also has the DPS to solo pretty much everything. They would of course work on other overload sets, just you would need to make up with LS from elsewhere.
In pvp probably but I made build for pve.
I doubt u even thought to try it out and didnt show the act parses to back up ur clams.....
People still havent figured how good red glyphs with correct loadout are in pve too.
IF there is 2 hv already, im SURE any overload socket setup with red glyphs will outdps it by a BIG margin, actually forget 2x450 power setups.
600 dmg per tick per target in stuff like: IT, Coi and ST gona be sick as ur already playing the tick game to proc stromspell which has a chance to proc, red glyph goes off on every tick....
I was using HV and the other cw too.... He bascially doubled my dps ( he had like 50m y had like 24m)
just saying, as it sort of confirmed my thoughts.
The Red glyphs are STUPID OP in PvE too. For me they meant I was able to solo draco after I failed with normal +Power overloads. There are +600 procs EVERYWHERE, all time, no ICD.
If pure DPS is what you desire, you should give these a try. I hate them and would never use them in PvP, but nobody complains in PvE.
^^ this.
Unfortunately i dont have an overload setup on my cw (halfway on my Tod campaing progress) but it is already bis for my HR (parsed data says its about 8% of my dps) and its nowhere near as effective as it would be on a cw with the correct loadout... which currently is the one any good cw is using coz of spellstorm.
@magiquepurse could u be able to parse a run wth red glyphs? im curious to see how much % of the damage would come from there with a cw, actually curious of how it compares to spellstorm.
another issue is that HV buffs whole party dmg, thus u would still want one or two of those from a group efficency perspective...
However, I can't imagine the difference in damage done was 50 million to 24 million. Unless you're wiping multiple times on the Draco, no one's doing 50 million damage in CN.
Yeah but only draco. I don't feel like consuming the glyphs or hundreds of BI I don't intend to grind on trash :P I might do a CN later today and hope to remember to log.
how? where? when?
i'm still at work - can't check.
you experienced that in pvp?
Most HV wearers would do better with Shadow Weaver, since the buffs lasts long enough for a whole rotation and the soft caps are obtained more easily.
Have not tested it but they changed the tool tip and placed an icd
well it was a weird run, it started awry at the hallway with a ragequit and a disconect and we ended up 3 manning it (the other cw was pretty **** so practically it was 2 manning it as i myself was doubling the other cw) till almost xivros, wehere a gf showed up
. no wipes what so ever, well just that one in the hallway where we took a bite a little to big considering there was just one oF ready XD