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Bring Back the Original TR!!
myowmyow
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Now that we have all had time to see how much harm was done to the PvE portion of the game by the developers responding to the "squeaky wheel" GWF PvPers, I think it is high time to let the TRs have their damage back! I mean, they are weak anyways when it comes to mobs and they are squishy with their lower armor class. The single target damage potential was the TR's best feature! Nerfing their single-target damage potential pulled the TR way out of balance with the rest of the classes in the PvE portion of the game. Also, it made the GWF the stand-alone (and heavily lopsided) ruler in PvP!
Giving the single-target damage BACK to the TR would put them where they should be in PvE and would create more competition against the overpowered GWF in PvP.
Giving the single-target damage BACK to the TR would put them where they should be in PvE and would create more competition against the overpowered GWF in PvP.
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myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
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I didn't play back then but I'm willing to bet that CW single-target damage can be more than an old TR in PVE with the latest buffs on preview. Plus they have all that control stuff. So I wouldn't expect any invites.
I am not sure about that. Some people have said they are just modifying some aspects of the GWF's encounter attacks and that they will still be just about as tough - something about no more "prone" but "stun" in its place.
Either way, the TR needs to get its damage back - it balances the class as the TR is already weak against mobs and have moderately low armor.
I used to so love using Shocking Execution on a boss and watch the boss' health bar drop dramatically. Now it just drops a little. . .
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Yes, the CW can deal some good single-target damage as well as mobs. Of course the "balance" of that is their weak armor.
Independent of that, the TR is still out of balance - needs to be brought back to the "good old days."
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Don't believe the hype. I've played against the new builds on preview.
All good information. I would never consider using the perma-stealth build because it just seems so unrealistic for a roleplayer like myself. And yes, my TR can do decent damage, but I miss the wrath I used to be able to invoke with Shocking Execution . . .
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
I've played on preview. My GWF is now a mule to me. It feels like a gimp compared to everything but a DC.
A good rogue with high end gear in pvp is almost unkillable and they are good in pve too, I admit though in pve rogues dmg is bad while having good defense but having high dmg too would make rogues the best class in pvp so a balance is needed, maybe a path choice, like one mainly based on dmg and another focusing on a more defensive style.
Edit: Or maybe more Aoe powers.
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That definitely has to happen.
Asha-DC(Faithful-Anointed Champion)
Vilgefortz-CW(Thaumaturge-balance)
Full hp fast? You need 8 seconds of stealth without attacking or being attacked to recieve the first full tick of regen.
We are the class with the lowest ac, the lowest hp (30k hp is the best we xan reach) the most broken feats (they just dont work), charisma doesbt add combat advantage bonus damage and we have just 1 viable set of gear to play with...or better... to be alive with
Nope. TRs were masters of single target DPS. No other class compared, which is why they were hit so hard. PvP was ALL about single target DPS. Obviously I haven't compared launch day TRs to Mod 4 CWs, but TRs hit Hard and Often.
Ok then GWF unstoppable has to break each time when use any at-will or encounter. Same HR has to have 10 seconds cooldown between melee and ranged attacks. CW needs to have 1/2 dmg of TR in each skill. Also GF, DC, CW has to have useless tab skill. Then, only then you can talk about destroying TR tab. If not you are simple hypocrite.
Asha-DC(Faithful-Anointed Champion)
Vilgefortz-CW(Thaumaturge-balance)
Useless? all your spells get extras when using them from invis + u can go invis and don't attack to hold node or escape. And I would gladly have my unstoppable break each time i use an at will if I'd get the op dmg of the old TR.
TR should be a glass gannon in theory, high damage and low defense, but he needs ways to defend himself, other than stealth and the lousy 2 evades. ItC is good but it's only for MIs.
I think TRs need to have their damage buffed up, more evades (at least 3 without feats) useless skills and feats fixed, like VP, or the combat advantage bug. They need armor penetration added with a stat like other classes too.
I'd bet a new CW would be able to out-dps an old TR on single target using just the at-will ray of frost.
But the whole damage thing with TR's is a sore subject. Should it be increased? Yes. But not to the levels that it was. But their damage should be brought in line with the other primary damage dealing classes.
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Exactly. Stealth is a very very powerful mechanic in that you can perma-stealth. Now Perma's aren't who would be getting a dps boost in theory, but they need to be very very careful that you don't create a build that can 80% ish perma, throw some daggers and then finish off any player with a lashing blade (example) then hit a shadow strike on another player and go back into stealth to repeat the process. Because of this any damage buff needs to go with some stealth rebalancing as well. I'm not sure where the specifics should be, but I do think that a rebalance of this sort would be in everyone's best interest.
I agree that stealth needs to be reworked too though.
And about that feats move it's reasonable change.
Asha-DC(Faithful-Anointed Champion)
Vilgefortz-CW(Thaumaturge-balance)
Um... this build already exists in plenty. It's just that our LBs hit for 20K and below compared to the ridiculous amounts they used to.
You are correct, though, that without thinking through the impacts of stealth, you can't make wholesale changes to TRs damage and call it good. But it seems that you could design the trees in such a way that you need to choose stealth or damage and penalize the other accordingly.
If you talking about the "good old days" Tr had triple the ST damage of any other class, Though to fully realize this they had to use certain powers and definitely spec executioner. Then again CW could use some highly obscure bugs to do 500k+ crits with ice knife, tho this was only really useable on bosses. If you saw a completely un-nerfed rogue in action today with all the more powerful gear and the advanced knowledge and technique that has developed over time it would be uncommon to see a DD party without one. They would simply shred any elite mob in an instant and melt bosses like butter.