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ARMOR OF BAHAMUT
the buff at 30% does not last very long it's almost not even noticeable, after a lot of testing i feel like even now with the rework to the feat it still isnt worth putting 5 points into for a 2 second buff.
the duration of the buff should be increased so when you hit 30% it should be there for a good amount of time it just doesnt last long enough to make it worthwhile.
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nwnghostMember, Moderators, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited July 2014
Stab At-Will
It would be nice if this at will would not automatically move the player forward if no target is selected. Players intentionally do not select a target to steer the cone of this attack better to hit multiple targets as opposed to 1 target only
Steel Blitz
This Class Feature deals rather pitiful damage. When it procs, it deals approximately 2/3 of the damage the first attack of Cleave would. On a Great Weapon Fighter, the damage is slightly higher, though also very low and makes this a poor Class Feature to use for either character.
Guard
Guard is too stable now compared to earlier versions. With Shield Talent and one of either Enforced Threat or Iron Warrior, I can pretty much remain in Guard mode indefinitely without choosing any Guard related feats
For pvp the new block does not last long enough .Opponents just wait the block to run dry and attack.GF is doomed against ranged classes.Standard block duration must at least get an increase of 2-3 secs.
What means "shield block interrupts control powers?"I try to break through a control chain by an Oppressor CW but no avail.
Did Griffon's animation ninja nerfed to the live standards?Today it seemed to me significantly slower than i tested it some days ago on preview.
Anvil Of Doom works great.Kudos here
Weapons masters strike animation seems a lit slow to me.Can it get a litlle 15% speed boost?
Crushing surge animation is clunky .I know it is purely aesthetical but can something done for this?Not an entirely new animation a copy paste of any att will of any class would be better than the current
Terrifying Impact cone of effect is even narrower than FS.FS is an encounter TI a daily.Can it's cone be enlarged a little bit?maybe by reworking the Menacing Impact feat?It would not affect pvp but it would greatly help GFs in Pve.
Plate agility feat is lucklaster.5 points to get a 5% increase in deflect?Can it reworked to 4 tiers of 2%? 2/4/6/8.
tactical superiority is lucklaster for a t4 feat.5% damage while investing five points to it is really low.Can at its final 5 point to give an extra 3 or 5% chance to critical?
Steel Blitz:It is a paragon power but deals so little damage that goes alomost unnoticable.Either its proc rate must be increased or its damage.
Steel grace needs more attention.Sometimes on live it works sometimes not.In preview i was stunned same time by a GWF ,no matter if i had it on or off.It is 30% duration decrease i would notice that.
Tide of iron cone remains small basically a single att will damage.Can it's cone enlarged a little bit?Again here no worries for pvp it would not unbalance it,but it would greatly help in pve to debuff mobs.
Shield buff needs to be the same on and off tab.
I've proposed adding a small damage pulse when Unstable on tab but not getting any traction.
It just seems that TO ME, having a CW with a minimum of 70% DR (2% base + 50% unstable) is a little silly when the GF thats a TANK cant even get much over 60% DR (in full prot) I was thinking maybe the "MASTERY" of this adds either a damage boost, or MORE control resist but I dont think the DR should be more than even 30% when broken. Now that CWs have alot more control, they ARE more tanky. Now that they have a feat that deals damage THROUGH all damage resist, they can still do some good damage in PVP (through GFs block).
So to me, it doesnt make sense that they also have MUCH higher DR than all the classes.... Even the Tank class....
Im fearful if I post this feedback in the CW thread it causes alot of flame and just gets removed. If anyone wants to, go for it.
FEEDBACK:
I am also VERY leery about Guardians ability to tank. Now we have tools (i.e. ET/Mark/New block) but all of that is rather meh, if the GF cant actually TAKE alot of damage. Maybe we are supposed to revolve around blocking, and outside we are pitiful, it just seems for a class wearing plate armor, we dont get much benefit to the added AC we have.
Heroic Feat:
Armor Specialization. Consider boosting this to 10/20/30% increase (up from 5/10/15%). This would boost DR a fair amount for all GFs giving a real benefit to stacking high defense and AC. Even going to 15/20/25% would be fitting as well....
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nwnghostMember, Moderators, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited July 2014
Like I said, Guard in the current state is too durable considering I invested exactly 0 feats in it, basically meaning that those feats would be superfluous and never picked.
I do not believe that Guard should be "endless" without having chosen any feats or sacrificed more than 1 encounter slot
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l3g10nna1reMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 372Arc User
edited July 2014
@ GC
Are you planning on changing the animation fro E/Threat ?
I.e Make it a shout and instant and not a shield sword clang and 1.5 second delay ?
@ crush with the changes u made to the sent iv gwf u have just created the very problem u seek to solve and is currently live now,since now their mark wod be working the same like the gf no one really cares that much for gf having top treat than gwf since now with the mark they would be out performing the gf even more,party buffs are sweet but if the gwf can provide one aspect of it and clear more of the treat without droping to even half his hp and runnig away from mobs no one really cares aba the buffs kv and kc wod give,and lets not forget the gf mechanic is build around these marks.If this makes it to live without changes to how the marks works on the gf differently than on a gwf u have honestly wasted effort and time buffing up the class to no end.You said it in a post u want us to be tanks and not dps so then if thats the deal
1.Make con stat on a gf more effective than on any of the other classes reason being if we generate treat and with our low damage weapon we wod be eaten alive hence more con to soak in that damage for our team to clear
2.make it such that on a gf when he marks a target he gets he gets 5-10% damage resistance on that target make it work like u did for the aspect of the wolf of the hr currently on live.
3.Increase cap for damage resistance on the gf to 55-60% and make deflection come easy for us(currently these classes hr,trs and gwfs have more deflection than gfs who in ur words is suppose to be a tank and not a dps)
4.Change this feat "enforce mark or treat"(sorry cant remember) when ever slotted gives more dr and deflection
I actually had to TRIPLE check he posted it under the GWF thread because I thought it was a type-error.
But yes, I am really at a loss.
GF mark(tab) is on command, but only hits 1 target, uses animation time. All their other marks DONT last long.
GWFs marks, NOT on command - use skills to mark, but are perma...
My suggestion: make "mark" last 10 seconds for BOTH classes (down from 20). Make Mark do 20% increased damage and CA - but 10 seconds for BOTH GF and GWF. REMOVE "tab" mark from GFs and give them Into the Fray on tab.
Yes you will have to replace those with new powers... Shoot, since were in the mood just take some of the GWFs stuff to make it easy.
Why not Take "Restoring Strike" and replace Into the Fray for encounters.
Now GFs get "into the fray" on tab. Block on Stamina.
GWFs get Unstoppable + Sprint
They both have the same mark mechanics - i.e. 10 second mark, 20% dmg bonus (8% for allies) and C.A. Bonus.
Id say that shapes up nicely. If you dont like ITF, use Knights Valor (although it has no solo-benefits) so that would be the only drawback... (Maybe just give a flat 10% DR boost while KV is active - instead of the R2/R3s giving 20% boost there).
Take your pick crush! Now players could be using ITF or K.V. on tab, and Enforced Threat to mark (aoe) targets for 10 seconds and get the aoe benefits. GWFs can threat rush/IBS/Shout to mark and get benefits.
This makes sense to me... Gives GF something unique from GWF and they BOTH get the fancy new mark!
I agree a lot with this, please Crush, read it.
Oh, and I wanted to report something.
FEEDBACK: Griffon's Wrath sometimes activates 2 times instead of 1... :mad:
Yes ITF on tab for gf, big + from me this idea. Or just give us unstopable :cool: fair trade
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ameyaw1Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 11Arc User
edited July 2014
@ Crush your initial idea of the iv gwf trading damage for tankiness was good now with this update u have just thrown us back to the very root of the problem.I suggest you consider redesigning the tab ability(mark) of the gf to be very unique from what the gwf wod get here are some suggestions
1. reduce the bonus damage the gwf gets from mark to the 8% gfs are currently getting on live and 3% to allies and do away with the combat advantage they get.This class has high weapon damage and very good offense stats
2.When a target is marked by a gf let the gf allies gain 10% dr on that target(act differently in pvp of course)
3.like someone said let the gf get 15-25% dr on the targets that r marked
4.make mark last 20-30 sec for the gf and 10-15sec for the gwf
5.Its been said before let the guard timer start when we start taking damage not when sheild is up and stops when there is no more damage increaE THE TIME DURATION BY 4-8 sec
These optionsvare being presented to you and i hope u take a serious look at it else this is just mode 2 all over again since the gwf can tank better and dish out a truly decent amount of damage and this time round also buff allies
Yes ITF on tab for gf, big + from me this idea. Or just give us unstopable :cool: fair trade
LOL.
I mean both are fighters, to be frank, I dont know why GWFs mark is perma, while GFs isnt. Makes no sense. You know Crush, an easy way to give an advantage to mark on the GF is to respect this aspect of the PnP mark:
"While a target is marked, it takes a −2 penalty to attack rolls for any attack that doesn’t include you as a target."
So this would give GFs mark on a solo basis a much better mark than the GWFs who have a better AoE mark. -2 would be roughly 10% less damage no?
There is also another feature you could add
"When a marked enemy is adjacent to the fighter who marked it, and shifts or makes an attack that does not include the fighter who marked it as a target, the fighter who marked it can make a melee basic attack against it as an immediate interrupt action".
- This is more difficult to code, but could be as simple as adding "interrupts" to marked targets from GF attacks... Might be TOO good though... But again, this has party utility written ALL over it.
Overall, I just think mark from encounters/at wills needs to be level across the board. For PVP purposes Mark should NOT last more than 10 seconds (except for GF "tab mark" at longer duration). GFs should ALSO have lesser marks that last JUST as long as GWF lesser marks.
Adding one of the two - or both - of the features above, gives the GF an advantage to their tab mark. Maybe you could even show love there and lessen the animation as well - seeing as its a bit clunky....
Bug
Supremecy of Steel
When activating SOS in thornward it reflects all damage back to thornward instead of the hunter ranger. i have noticed thornward is considered a companion? an ivisible figure can be seen in the green thorn that is usually in the middle. i thought we fixed this reflect problem and if a guardian is in the middle of thornward with SOS on. the reflected damage should be directed at the ranger not thornward considering i cant physically attack the ward to end it but for some reason it reflects to the ward
This whole business of giving the gwf a better mark than the original owner of the power just seems a waste of a skill for the gf since the gwf gets it perm and the armor pen bonus of 12% and now even more CA damage..... can you stop boosting something to the same level(clearly done because you cannot distinguish the code properly or it makes things too complex and thus it results in the gf becoming a 5th wheel) there needs to be a distinction if not just dont give them mark.
If you could make it so it only gives the gwf only 8% dr reduction, 20% for them is way too much as they already do plenty damage.
This is ending up like mod 2 all over again anything we get they get and it is much more effective for them than it should did the nerfs to iv not say something that you need to distinguish between our 2 classes as anything made for us becomes too much for the gwf.
cba to read trough all of this, but has anyone mentioned that knights challenge has a bug? after a certain time of using it you can not use it anymore and have to slot another spell.
Bug: Falling Damage I'm pretty sure this is unintentional, but block, as of NW.25.20140715a.3, is absorbing 80% of falling damage. As well as Knight's Valor is both transferring and reducing falling damage.
Feedback: Block Mechanism I am happy to see that you have taken a big step in the right direction by not letting any damage through the shield, very nice job! What now needs to be done is to make the guard meter not deplete just because shift is pressed, and make it deplete if attacks impact the GF while blocking. And raise the regeneration rate and/or guard meter poll and/or decrease the delay with which the guard meter starts to regenerate. It would be also good to decrease the speed while we have our shield raised, that would make the animation more fitting, and it will make us ponder more when to raise the shield, which is fun.
Feedback: Block Mechanism I am happy to see that you have taken a big step in the right direction by not letting any damage through the shield, very nice job! What now needs to be done is to make the guard meter not deplete just because shift is pressed, and make it deplete if attacks impact the GF while blocking. And raise the regeneration rate and/or guard meter poll and/or decrease the delay with which the guard meter starts to regenerate.
Damage does go through the shield. It is a display bug where the "Block" text is hiding the damage floater. The Block Text will probably be removed but the clang and FX Flash will remain.
Check your combat log, you should still see damage coming in.
crush what about Supremecy of steel not being directed at hunter rangers and at thornward instead is this working as inteded i thought we fixed the reflect dmg should correctly apply to the attacker.
crush what about Supremecy of steel not being directed at hunter rangers and at thornward instead is this working as inteded i thought we fixed the reflect dmg should correctly apply to the attacker.
It is definitely 100% working for me. Same with Guarded Assault (I just tested it). It might not have made it into this build, or it might not have made it into the patch notes. You should try it and see.
Damage does go through the shield. It is a display bug where the "Block" text is hiding the damage floater. The Block Text will probably be removed but the clang and FX Flash will remain.
Check your combat log, you should still see damage coming in.
pls add at least a small shield, like the sword for combat advantage or a different color, to indicate that you took dmg while blocking, otherwise its hard to determine if you face the mobs correct to block optimal
pls add at least a small shield, like the sword for combat advantage or a different color , to show that you took dmg while blocking, otherwise its hard to determine if you face the mobs correct to block optimal
As I noted above you will still get the massive audible "Clang" as well as the bright blue flash. It should still be quite obvious when it is working.
As I noted above you will still get the massive audible "Clang" as well as the bright blue flash. It should still be quite obvious when it is working.
can you say the same when 20+ mobs are attacking you?
or in pvp when you attack the gf from the side while other attack him, you dont want to gusse that "Clang" wasnt from my attack, you want to see in a clear form that you hit his guard
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reagenlionel1Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
can you say the same when 20+ mobs are attacking you?
or in pvp when you attack the gf from the side while other attack him, you dont want to gusse that "Clang" wasnt from my attack, you want to see in a clear form that you hit his guard
It is definitely 100% working for me. Same with Guarded Assault (I just tested it). It might not have made it into this build, or it might not have made it into the patch notes. You should try it and see.
will do ill get on testing as soon as i am able again but maybe i just didnt notice it from what i saw it still got directed to thronward which apparently acts like a companion?
God, I ran the epic skirmish on preview earlier. That was just bad. I know that I shouldn't expect random people to be able to get out of the way of red stuff, but I did not fully prepare myself for the full on suicide pact that befell me. Running KV in this thing is just madness with PUGs, or else I am just too **** squishy for this. I had my shield up and everything, but it sure as hell didn't help one bit. I do think that at least 2 of my team decided to test out their theory of who can kill the GF the most by standing in stuff that newbs know better. I am really loathe to suggest that we need more defense, but this 80% DR while blocking is just not cutting the mustard for this content. These AEs are just BAD BAD BAD for my health. Someone remind me why I decided it was a good idea?
Having a warlock using Warlock's Bargain, which is supposed to take away 15% of their health in one shot, it looks like KV sucks up that damage too. Is this intentional? Have you looked at what happens to the warlock if they do that, then I have guarded assault on? Is KV supposed to block some of their damage from this Encounter?
Comments
Shield buff needs to be the same on and off tab.
I've proposed adding a small damage pulse when Unstable on tab but not getting any traction.
ARMOR OF BAHAMUT
the buff at 30% does not last very long it's almost not even noticeable, after a lot of testing i feel like even now with the rework to the feat it still isnt worth putting 5 points into for a 2 second buff.
the duration of the buff should be increased so when you hit 30% it should be there for a good amount of time it just doesnt last long enough to make it worthwhile.
It would be nice if this at will would not automatically move the player forward if no target is selected. Players intentionally do not select a target to steer the cone of this attack better to hit multiple targets as opposed to 1 target only
Steel Blitz
This Class Feature deals rather pitiful damage. When it procs, it deals approximately 2/3 of the damage the first attack of Cleave would. On a Great Weapon Fighter, the damage is slightly higher, though also very low and makes this a poor Class Feature to use for either character.
Guard
Guard is too stable now compared to earlier versions. With Shield Talent and one of either Enforced Threat or Iron Warrior, I can pretty much remain in Guard mode indefinitely without choosing any Guard related feats
For pvp the new block does not last long enough .Opponents just wait the block to run dry and attack.GF is doomed against ranged classes.Standard block duration must at least get an increase of 2-3 secs.
What means "shield block interrupts control powers?"I try to break through a control chain by an Oppressor CW but no avail.
Did Griffon's animation ninja nerfed to the live standards?Today it seemed to me significantly slower than i tested it some days ago on preview.
Anvil Of Doom works great.Kudos here
Weapons masters strike animation seems a lit slow to me.Can it get a litlle 15% speed boost?
Crushing surge animation is clunky .I know it is purely aesthetical but can something done for this?Not an entirely new animation a copy paste of any att will of any class would be better than the current
Terrifying Impact cone of effect is even narrower than FS.FS is an encounter TI a daily.Can it's cone be enlarged a little bit?maybe by reworking the Menacing Impact feat?It would not affect pvp but it would greatly help GFs in Pve.
Plate agility feat is lucklaster.5 points to get a 5% increase in deflect?Can it reworked to 4 tiers of 2%? 2/4/6/8.
tactical superiority is lucklaster for a t4 feat.5% damage while investing five points to it is really low.Can at its final 5 point to give an extra 3 or 5% chance to critical?
Steel Blitz:It is a paragon power but deals so little damage that goes alomost unnoticable.Either its proc rate must be increased or its damage.
Steel grace needs more attention.Sometimes on live it works sometimes not.In preview i was stunned same time by a GWF ,no matter if i had it on or off.It is 30% duration decrease i would notice that.
Tide of iron cone remains small basically a single att will damage.Can it's cone enlarged a little bit?Again here no worries for pvp it would not unbalance it,but it would greatly help in pve to debuff mobs.
It just seems that TO ME, having a CW with a minimum of 70% DR (2% base + 50% unstable) is a little silly when the GF thats a TANK cant even get much over 60% DR (in full prot) I was thinking maybe the "MASTERY" of this adds either a damage boost, or MORE control resist but I dont think the DR should be more than even 30% when broken. Now that CWs have alot more control, they ARE more tanky. Now that they have a feat that deals damage THROUGH all damage resist, they can still do some good damage in PVP (through GFs block).
So to me, it doesnt make sense that they also have MUCH higher DR than all the classes.... Even the Tank class....
Im fearful if I post this feedback in the CW thread it causes alot of flame and just gets removed. If anyone wants to, go for it.
FEEDBACK:
I am also VERY leery about Guardians ability to tank. Now we have tools (i.e. ET/Mark/New block) but all of that is rather meh, if the GF cant actually TAKE alot of damage. Maybe we are supposed to revolve around blocking, and outside we are pitiful, it just seems for a class wearing plate armor, we dont get much benefit to the added AC we have.
Heroic Feat:
Armor Specialization. Consider boosting this to 10/20/30% increase (up from 5/10/15%). This would boost DR a fair amount for all GFs giving a real benefit to stacking high defense and AC. Even going to 15/20/25% would be fitting as well....
I do not believe that Guard should be "endless" without having chosen any feats or sacrificed more than 1 encounter slot
Are you planning on changing the animation fro E/Threat ?
I.e Make it a shout and instant and not a shield sword clang and 1.5 second delay ?
1.Make con stat on a gf more effective than on any of the other classes reason being if we generate treat and with our low damage weapon we wod be eaten alive hence more con to soak in that damage for our team to clear
2.make it such that on a gf when he marks a target he gets he gets 5-10% damage resistance on that target make it work like u did for the aspect of the wolf of the hr currently on live.
3.Increase cap for damage resistance on the gf to 55-60% and make deflection come easy for us(currently these classes hr,trs and gwfs have more deflection than gfs who in ur words is suppose to be a tank and not a dps)
4.Change this feat "enforce mark or treat"(sorry cant remember) when ever slotted gives more dr and deflection
5.Increase the AC of the gf
thank you
I agree a lot with this, please Crush, read it.
Oh, and I wanted to report something.
FEEDBACK:
Griffon's Wrath sometimes activates 2 times instead of 1... :mad:
but i dont think we need anymore buffs
1. reduce the bonus damage the gwf gets from mark to the 8% gfs are currently getting on live and 3% to allies and do away with the combat advantage they get.This class has high weapon damage and very good offense stats
2.When a target is marked by a gf let the gf allies gain 10% dr on that target(act differently in pvp of course)
3.like someone said let the gf get 15-25% dr on the targets that r marked
4.make mark last 20-30 sec for the gf and 10-15sec for the gwf
5.Its been said before let the guard timer start when we start taking damage not when sheild is up and stops when there is no more damage increaE THE TIME DURATION BY 4-8 sec
These optionsvare being presented to you and i hope u take a serious look at it else this is just mode 2 all over again since the gwf can tank better and dish out a truly decent amount of damage and this time round also buff allies
LOL.
I mean both are fighters, to be frank, I dont know why GWFs mark is perma, while GFs isnt. Makes no sense. You know Crush, an easy way to give an advantage to mark on the GF is to respect this aspect of the PnP mark:
"While a target is marked, it takes a −2 penalty to attack rolls for any attack that doesn’t include you as a target."
So this would give GFs mark on a solo basis a much better mark than the GWFs who have a better AoE mark. -2 would be roughly 10% less damage no?
There is also another feature you could add
"When a marked enemy is adjacent to the fighter who marked it, and shifts or makes an attack that does not include the fighter who marked it as a target, the fighter who marked it can make a melee basic attack against it as an immediate interrupt action".
- This is more difficult to code, but could be as simple as adding "interrupts" to marked targets from GF attacks... Might be TOO good though... But again, this has party utility written ALL over it.
Overall, I just think mark from encounters/at wills needs to be level across the board. For PVP purposes Mark should NOT last more than 10 seconds (except for GF "tab mark" at longer duration). GFs should ALSO have lesser marks that last JUST as long as GWF lesser marks.
Adding one of the two - or both - of the features above, gives the GF an advantage to their tab mark. Maybe you could even show love there and lessen the animation as well - seeing as its a bit clunky....
when we guard it doesnt show the "block" text and also it has no impact effect. it feels like they are just hitting my body.
Supremecy of Steel
When activating SOS in thornward it reflects all damage back to thornward instead of the hunter ranger. i have noticed thornward is considered a companion? an ivisible figure can be seen in the green thorn that is usually in the middle. i thought we fixed this reflect problem and if a guardian is in the middle of thornward with SOS on. the reflected damage should be directed at the ranger not thornward considering i cant physically attack the ward to end it but for some reason it reflects to the ward
any chance for a fix on that
If you could make it so it only gives the gwf only 8% dr reduction, 20% for them is way too much as they already do plenty damage.
This is ending up like mod 2 all over again anything we get they get and it is much more effective for them than it should did the nerfs to iv not say something that you need to distinguish between our 2 classes as anything made for us becomes too much for the gwf.
But you really should post to the GWF board not the GF board.
I'm pretty sure this is unintentional, but block, as of NW.25.20140715a.3, is absorbing 80% of falling damage. As well as Knight's Valor is both transferring and reducing falling damage.
I am happy to see that you have taken a big step in the right direction by not letting any damage through the shield, very nice job! What now needs to be done is to make the guard meter not deplete just because shift is pressed, and make it deplete if attacks impact the GF while blocking. And raise the regeneration rate and/or guard meter poll and/or decrease the delay with which the guard meter starts to regenerate. It would be also good to decrease the speed while we have our shield raised, that would make the animation more fitting, and it will make us ponder more when to raise the shield, which is fun.
Damage does go through the shield. It is a display bug where the "Block" text is hiding the damage floater. The Block Text will probably be removed but the clang and FX Flash will remain.
Check your combat log, you should still see damage coming in.
It is definitely 100% working for me. Same with Guarded Assault (I just tested it). It might not have made it into this build, or it might not have made it into the patch notes. You should try it and see.
pls add at least a small shield, like the sword for combat advantage or a different color, to indicate that you took dmg while blocking, otherwise its hard to determine if you face the mobs correct to block optimal
As I noted above you will still get the massive audible "Clang" as well as the bright blue flash. It should still be quite obvious when it is working.
or in pvp when you attack the gf from the side while other attack him, you dont want to gusse that "Clang" wasnt from my attack, you want to see in a clear form that you hit his guard
yes this right here ^
Having a warlock using Warlock's Bargain, which is supposed to take away 15% of their health in one shot, it looks like KV sucks up that damage too. Is this intentional? Have you looked at what happens to the warlock if they do that, then I have guarded assault on? Is KV supposed to block some of their damage from this Encounter?