How long? Seriously how long do we have to have these Gods roaming the landscape destroying everything without even breaking a sweat?
Its ruining the game!
There is no class that can literally faceroll and do massive burst and survive multiple attacks while regenerating themselves back over and over and over...
Shieldbash60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard19.0k Overpowered60 CW~ Thaumaturge14.5k ==========================================
~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
How long? Seriously how long do we have to have these Gods roaming the landscape destroying everything without even breaking a sweat?
Its ruining the game!
There is no class that can literally faceroll and do massive burst and survive multiple attacks while regenerating themselves back over and over and over...
God Mode? You obviously have no idea what your talking about. If there is any class that is Broken currently, it's gna be HR's. with greater plague fire being bugged with new paragon path, HR can beat ANY CLASS 1v1, even a GWF will full rank 10's.
Patience friend, if there's something OP in the class the devs are not blind, it will be fixed without a doubt. While waiting for it, I would suggest you try to work on your own char and try different tactics to tackle different classes. If some class seems god like to you then probably you should check on your playstyle.
hmm... god mode you say? I'm less concerned about unstoppable and more about IV path that's complete BS especially when GWF is described as a warrior who gave up on his shield to deal more damage and still have BS range with shield (frontline surge) that he don't even posses. Besides you have probably met tanky GWF with full profound, perf bark and perf vorp so.... yea... thoose can kill you pretty fast and survive at least 1 vs 3
Next thing I'm concerned is incoming CW damage nerf (probably without proper control buff) and BS Sudden Storm implemented instead of Storm Cage...
...and do not let me start on HR immunity and spamming Fox Shift to avoid damage and hit my TR in stealth even without having a target
edit: they could use Inexorable Shift instead of Frontline for GWF which is also knock back but single target (like bull charge)
Patience friend, if there's something OP in the class the devs are not blind, it will be fixed without a doubt. While waiting for it, I would suggest you try to work on your own char and try different tactics to tackle different classes. If some class seems god like to you then probably you should check on your playstyle.
Well just look at the class distribution charts, look at the top leader board stats, look at the Domination Stats. GWf are stupidly OP and anyone saying otherwise is just lying to continue their play time!
Shieldbash60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard19.0k Overpowered60 CW~ Thaumaturge14.5k ==========================================
~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
Well just look at the class distribution charts, look at the top leader board stats, look at the Domination Stats. GWf are stupidly OP and anyone saying otherwise is just lying to continue their play time!
leaderboard ?REALLY? u know those ppls run 5 man pm group killing pugs all day long?
u must be so new here.
You're right! Its not constructive, I just cant stand seeing GWF everywhere they are like a plague in NW! Sick of thier im awesome and you can't do anything about attitude.
I play GF / CW 2 classes that are low bracket in pvp. I just don't understand how the Devs gave them Unstoppable with such ridiculous abilities in one press of a button!!!!!!
Shieldbash60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard19.0k Overpowered60 CW~ Thaumaturge14.5k ==========================================
~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
leaderboard ?REALLY? u know those ppls run 5 man pm group killing pugs all day long?
u must be so new here.
You cherry picked one thing to defend GWF as not Op? Or are you saying they are OP but Leaderboard means nothing? Because there are only 2 GF in the top 200 on that leaderboard wouldn't they 5 man too?
The fact remains GWF are OP!
Shieldbash60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard19.0k Overpowered60 CW~ Thaumaturge14.5k ==========================================
~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
You're right! Its not constructive, I just cant stand seeing GWF everywhere they are like a plague in NW! Sick of thier im awesome and you can't do anything about attitude.
I play GF / CW 2 classes that are low bracket in pvp. I just don't understand how the Devs gave them Unstoppable with such ridiculous abilities in one press of a button!!!!!!
after those words it doesnt even worth to post on this thread anymore
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aulduronMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,351Arc User
Well just look at the class distribution charts, look at the top leader board stats, look at the Domination Stats. GWf are stupidly OP and anyone saying otherwise is just lying to continue their play time!
By taking leaderboards statistics as your base, you are believing every other factor is constant. Even though I do trust leaderboards can be accurate to some extent but thats about it, and not everything about classes can be revealed that way.
The population of different classes participating actively in pvp, old maxed out players grouping to farm pvp scores, plus the fact that dps classes get ahead in leaderboards just because kills have a great contribution in scores.
I personally dont mind if gwf get more nerfs, I didnt come crying on forums when my sentinel build was nerfed I couldn't care less for destroyers, but then again, would like to see more reasoning then just pointless hate on a game.
I know very good players who can handle GWFs. They use there skills wisely and don't try to stand in front of GWF's. GWF's when times right are very easy to evade and it makes them waste there skills. I have a rogue in my guild who reguraly beat GWF's trying to hold nods. I also play a HR, and i can kite them all day unless lts a sent spec with tons of D, and those guys can take a beating but they no longer since last patch of the DPS to kill me either.
Well just look at the class distribution charts, look at the top leader board stats, look at the Domination Stats. GWf are stupidly OP and anyone saying otherwise is just lying to continue their play time!
Top leaderboard stats?......im gna laugh and assume your kidding, if you think that the leaderboard is in any way accurate or means anything, it is heavily exploitable and it shows nothing of true skill or class mechanics. Not good enough.
Dominations stats? again meaningless excuse. a GWF in a premade, is that exactly he is in a premade, he has his role on the battlefield just like every other class.
NOW. If you are a PUG...and YOU SOLO QUE. and you get destroyed by GWF's in a PUG match, then thats a different story. JOin a pvp guild. Gear up. Change ur playstyle, and youll do a lot better.
Top leaderboard stats?......im gna laugh and assume your kidding, if you think that the leaderboard is in any way accurate or means anything, it is heavily exploitable and it shows nothing of true skill or class mechanics. Not good enough.
Dominations stats? again meaningless excuse. a GWF in a premade, is that exactly he is in a premade, he has his role on the battlefield just like every other class.
NOW. If you are a PUG...and YOU SOLO QUE. and you get destroyed by GWF's in a PUG match, then thats a different story. JOin a pvp guild. Gear up. Change ur playstyle, and youll do a lot better.
Im pretty good geared my man! Just don't get an OP God Mode button like you GWFS!
Shieldbash60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard19.0k Overpowered60 CW~ Thaumaturge14.5k ==========================================
~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
Well just look at the class distribution charts, look at the top leader board stats, look at the Domination Stats. GWf are stupidly OP and anyone saying otherwise is just lying to continue their play time!
Well in the Top 40 right now there are 13 TR, 14 HR, 11 GWF and 3 CW. So...
GWF seems to be in the hot seat right now but the only people who are lying to themselves are the ones who say TR and HR are not eqaully capable as GWF.
My question to OP and anyone like him : How long must we endure biased, uninformed, rage-filled NERF QQ threads? Forever. Forever-ever, forever-ever?
--- Ranked matches need to be solo-queue only
Enforce rainbow parties in PvP ---- 10v10 PvP ----
Well in the Top 40 right now there are 13 TR, 14 HR, 11 GWF and 3 CW. So...
GWF seems to be in the hot seat right now but the only people who are lying to themselves are the ones who say TR and HR are not eqaully capable as GWF.
My question to OP and anyone like him : How long must we endure biased, uninformed, rage-filled NERF QQ threads? Forever. Forever-ever, forever-ever?
^This.
Since the OP uses the leaderboard in his/her case, let's pretend it actually means something. As I looked at it yesterday, TRs were at the top. Why call out GWFs if they are not at the top? Seems to me the hatred stems from something else, perhaps the fact that GWFs can do the GF's job maybe? Either way, as a GWF player since last June we certainly had to endure ups and downs as well. I can also tell you that TRs and HRs are beasts in pvp and the good one's never cry to me in a match....often times they quietly sprinkle me over the camp fire. Just because the OP can't do that doesn't mean it's the fault of the GWF class, he or she is just playing the wrong class at the moment.
taking all the nonsense discussed and demoralized, worth saying this here:
The gwf is not ruining the game. compare the population of module 1 (when the class is destroyed) and module with 2/3 and you'll see that bringing up gwf was one of the most healthy things that happened.
Clearly he was not the only component, but ...
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psychaos999Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2014
The fact that every non GWF says they are OP, doesn't mean nothing? Only TR and HR stand a chance. And the leaderboard reflect just that.
And why should a get a premade just to fight a single class. That's not balance.
Most first timers only get the initial character selection to find out 'how they'll get on in Neverwinter'
If you think picking an offtank role that relies heavily on short bursts of damage to get threat and unstoppable to survive it is a bad first 20 levels imagine what you'd think if you found out you could roll a GWF and level it to 60 with 18 hours played then spend 30 hours getting enough gear to stand toe to toe with another GWF.
The GWF is not broken and cries to nerf unstoppable means an entire re-write of the 0-59 experience, as well as making a 'pay to enter' dungeon like Malabog's Castle more of a waste of time than anything else.
In PvP there is one sure fire way to destroy the GWF. It's staying with the bulk DPS on your team. If your team is heavy on CC, chain the GWF. If your team is heavy on defense move in and out of the fight wearing the GWF down.
Most people are basing their measure on a 1 v 1 PvP experience little realising that their class was built for group play also.
When I rolled Destroyer 2 weeks before the patch PvP PuGs were a nightmare as the destroyer spec was fit for one thing and one thing only - Helping the team. Most were scatter teams where everyone 'lone wolf's around the map.
also; A GWF naturally picked Destroyer to level with, as doing damage made the most sense. Back when sentinel was FotM everyone paid for a refeat to do it.
Instigator is the natural PvP tree imo, however things get pushed back and forth in a community and oftentimes that only guarantees 'Flavour of the Month' builds and classes.
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have a discussion and constructively suggest changes. without suggestions, it's nothing but complaints. complaint threads promote non constructive negativity. this is not what we want here on the forums. thanks.
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God Mode? You obviously have no idea what your talking about. If there is any class that is Broken currently, it's gna be HR's. with greater plague fire being bugged with new paragon path, HR can beat ANY CLASS 1v1, even a GWF will full rank 10's.
for me they are pretty balenced...
gwf are not OP.. hr who knows how play is OP and need nerf hahaha
Next thing I'm concerned is incoming CW damage nerf (probably without proper control buff) and BS Sudden Storm implemented instead of Storm Cage...
...and do not let me start on HR immunity and spamming Fox Shift to avoid damage and hit my TR in stealth even without having a target
edit: they could use Inexorable Shift instead of Frontline for GWF which is also knock back but single target (like bull charge)
You think CW and GWF are balanced? You lost any credibility.
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
Well just look at the class distribution charts, look at the top leader board stats, look at the Domination Stats. GWf are stupidly OP and anyone saying otherwise is just lying to continue their play time!
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
threads like those should be closed instantly they cause alot of rage,drama and QQ
u must be so new here.
You're right! Its not constructive, I just cant stand seeing GWF everywhere they are like a plague in NW! Sick of thier im awesome and you can't do anything about attitude.
I play GF / CW 2 classes that are low bracket in pvp. I just don't understand how the Devs gave them Unstoppable with such ridiculous abilities in one press of a button!!!!!!
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
You cherry picked one thing to defend GWF as not Op? Or are you saying they are OP but Leaderboard means nothing? Because there are only 2 GF in the top 200 on that leaderboard wouldn't they 5 man too?
The fact remains GWF are OP!
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
My CW is a few hundred pages ahead of my GWF on the leaderboard.
that leaderboard thing is getting old...
By taking leaderboards statistics as your base, you are believing every other factor is constant. Even though I do trust leaderboards can be accurate to some extent but thats about it, and not everything about classes can be revealed that way.
The population of different classes participating actively in pvp, old maxed out players grouping to farm pvp scores, plus the fact that dps classes get ahead in leaderboards just because kills have a great contribution in scores.
I personally dont mind if gwf get more nerfs, I didnt come crying on forums when my sentinel build was nerfed I couldn't care less for destroyers, but then again, would like to see more reasoning then just pointless hate on a game.
I know very good players who can handle GWFs. They use there skills wisely and don't try to stand in front of GWF's. GWF's when times right are very easy to evade and it makes them waste there skills. I have a rogue in my guild who reguraly beat GWF's trying to hold nods. I also play a HR, and i can kite them all day unless lts a sent spec with tons of D, and those guys can take a beating but they no longer since last patch of the DPS to kill me either.
Top leaderboard stats?......im gna laugh and assume your kidding, if you think that the leaderboard is in any way accurate or means anything, it is heavily exploitable and it shows nothing of true skill or class mechanics. Not good enough.
Dominations stats? again meaningless excuse. a GWF in a premade, is that exactly he is in a premade, he has his role on the battlefield just like every other class.
NOW. If you are a PUG...and YOU SOLO QUE. and you get destroyed by GWF's in a PUG match, then thats a different story. JOin a pvp guild. Gear up. Change ur playstyle, and youll do a lot better.
Im pretty good geared my man! Just don't get an OP God Mode button like you GWFS!
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
==========================================
~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
Well in the Top 40 right now there are 13 TR, 14 HR, 11 GWF and 3 CW. So...
GWF seems to be in the hot seat right now but the only people who are lying to themselves are the ones who say TR and HR are not eqaully capable as GWF.
My question to OP and anyone like him : How long must we endure biased, uninformed, rage-filled NERF QQ threads? Forever. Forever-ever, forever-ever?
Enforce rainbow parties in PvP ---- 10v10 PvP ----
^This.
Since the OP uses the leaderboard in his/her case, let's pretend it actually means something. As I looked at it yesterday, TRs were at the top. Why call out GWFs if they are not at the top? Seems to me the hatred stems from something else, perhaps the fact that GWFs can do the GF's job maybe? Either way, as a GWF player since last June we certainly had to endure ups and downs as well. I can also tell you that TRs and HRs are beasts in pvp and the good one's never cry to me in a match....often times they quietly sprinkle me over the camp fire. Just because the OP can't do that doesn't mean it's the fault of the GWF class, he or she is just playing the wrong class at the moment.
The gwf is not ruining the game. compare the population of module 1 (when the class is destroyed) and module with 2/3 and you'll see that bringing up gwf was one of the most healthy things that happened.
Clearly he was not the only component, but ...
And why should a get a premade just to fight a single class. That's not balance.
pve, for long, been a 1 class. 1 class =hegemony.
can not see the difference?
If you think picking an offtank role that relies heavily on short bursts of damage to get threat and unstoppable to survive it is a bad first 20 levels imagine what you'd think if you found out you could roll a GWF and level it to 60 with 18 hours played then spend 30 hours getting enough gear to stand toe to toe with another GWF.
The GWF is not broken and cries to nerf unstoppable means an entire re-write of the 0-59 experience, as well as making a 'pay to enter' dungeon like Malabog's Castle more of a waste of time than anything else.
In PvP there is one sure fire way to destroy the GWF. It's staying with the bulk DPS on your team. If your team is heavy on CC, chain the GWF. If your team is heavy on defense move in and out of the fight wearing the GWF down.
Most people are basing their measure on a 1 v 1 PvP experience little realising that their class was built for group play also.
When I rolled Destroyer 2 weeks before the patch PvP PuGs were a nightmare as the destroyer spec was fit for one thing and one thing only - Helping the team. Most were scatter teams where everyone 'lone wolf's around the map.
also; A GWF naturally picked Destroyer to level with, as doing damage made the most sense. Back when sentinel was FotM everyone paid for a refeat to do it.
Instigator is the natural PvP tree imo, however things get pushed back and forth in a community and oftentimes that only guarantees 'Flavour of the Month' builds and classes.
....????
No half descent GWf can be chained.....cause unstoppable pops up every 8-12 secs max.And lasts 6 secs.
Seriously are you trolling us?
have a discussion and constructively suggest changes. without suggestions, it's nothing but complaints. complaint threads promote non constructive negativity. this is not what we want here on the forums. thanks.