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lamminatboden
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Hi,
there was recently a post by a system designer in which he stated that they are looking into GF changes after the release of mod3. Now they just started with that, so I could take a while, but they are defintely working on this. There are people who like their GFs, and people who think GFs are way too weak. But most of them agree, that changes to the GF wouldn't be a bad thing. Since I believe the designer are listening to the community, now is the perfect time to inspire them with our ideas for GF changes.
The idea of this thread is therefore to write short and precise bullet points of what you personally think would be the best changes for the GF class. Please do not discuss anything in this thread, because I am sure the shorter and more information packed it is, the more attention it will get from the designers (also, we all know the how the standard discussion about GFs look like: the game is not designed to tank anything, at high GS you want maximum clearing speed of dungeons etc etc). If you think this thread is a stupid idea, please keep it to yourself or you are welcome to open another thread and discuss it there. I also recommend that only people with a lot of GF experience (some months of GF play over all the content, from level 1 to 60 and up to end game dungeons) post here, but anyone is welcome to share their ideas. I repeat:
Please do not discuss anything in this thread, just post your ideas so we can give the designers an information packed easy to read thread with the communities ideas.
For example your post could look something like this:
PvE:
- change Guard mechanics so that GF can block more sustained damage from small sources (they said they are already working on this, but it still is my favorite change)
- replace Knee Breaker with an AoE encounter that pulls mobs in and knocks them prone/stuns them in the process
- increase/remove caps for AoE abilities (or partly introduce them for other classes in certain abilities)
- increase damage debuff for (enhanced) marked targets (they said they are already thinking about increasing the GFs buff abilities)
PvP:
- not an expert here, so can't say anything about it
there was recently a post by a system designer in which he stated that they are looking into GF changes after the release of mod3. Now they just started with that, so I could take a while, but they are defintely working on this. There are people who like their GFs, and people who think GFs are way too weak. But most of them agree, that changes to the GF wouldn't be a bad thing. Since I believe the designer are listening to the community, now is the perfect time to inspire them with our ideas for GF changes.
The idea of this thread is therefore to write short and precise bullet points of what you personally think would be the best changes for the GF class. Please do not discuss anything in this thread, because I am sure the shorter and more information packed it is, the more attention it will get from the designers (also, we all know the how the standard discussion about GFs look like: the game is not designed to tank anything, at high GS you want maximum clearing speed of dungeons etc etc). If you think this thread is a stupid idea, please keep it to yourself or you are welcome to open another thread and discuss it there. I also recommend that only people with a lot of GF experience (some months of GF play over all the content, from level 1 to 60 and up to end game dungeons) post here, but anyone is welcome to share their ideas. I repeat:
Please do not discuss anything in this thread, just post your ideas so we can give the designers an information packed easy to read thread with the communities ideas.
For example your post could look something like this:
PvE:
- change Guard mechanics so that GF can block more sustained damage from small sources (they said they are already working on this, but it still is my favorite change)
- replace Knee Breaker with an AoE encounter that pulls mobs in and knocks them prone/stuns them in the process
- increase/remove caps for AoE abilities (or partly introduce them for other classes in certain abilities)
- increase damage debuff for (enhanced) marked targets (they said they are already thinking about increasing the GFs buff abilities)
PvP:
- not an expert here, so can't say anything about it
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PvE:
- change Guard mechanics so that GF can block more sustained damage from small sources (I think this is a good thing as well, tanking adds is just so much more fun than tanking the boss)
- give Into the Fray a small damage buff and increase the bonus of its feat to make up for Reckless Attacker
- Buff the last feat of the protector feat path (make it something with DR) so it makes up for Reckless Attacker
PvP:
- not a pvp player either
Gear versatility is ridiculous, no way to self boost crit like all other classes, Strength should give more AC, CO should give superior HP more then any class in the game easily obtained.
GF needs some synergy with other classes, a fun factor as charge, block, step aside, hit block, step aside sucks!
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
Guard Meter: Set a floor limit to what can damage it. At-wills should not damage the shield at all, so anything hitting below 2000 - 3000 should be ignored. I'd also like to be able to move while blocking, so when pressing Shift the shield should be raised but you maintain your run speed. Infantry could run with their shields raised, so I don't know why GFs have to be reduced to ponderous ice-bergs. I can see the PVP balance risks of improving the shield though. Make it stronger and we'll have everyone crying in PVP that it takes forever to expose a GF.
Threat generation: Every single one of the GFs offensive at-wills and encounters should have their threat increased above that of any other class' and the GFs built-in threat should be increased.
Tab feature: It is better now. I think I am okay with the Tab feature. I was all for drastically altering it but doing so will likely make a number of encounters redundant.
Encounter revisions:
Enforced Threat - Uncapped hard taunt that also gives the GF damage and CC immunity for the length of the power. Pretty much Unstoppable on steroids and befitting of a tank. If your CWs/DC/HR are having aggro problems hitting this in their vicinity should immediately pull aggro off of them, regardless of the damage they are putting out, and allow you to take the damage.
Into the Fray - For every point in this the GF's damage output should be increased by 10%, so 30% after three points.
GFs could pop the above two in conjunction and became quite a valuable asset in a sea of red.
Animation speeds: The recent buffs to Anvil of Doom and Griffon's Wrath were fantastic, but a lot of our powers and dailies allow our enemies enough time to prone and interrupt us. I'm talking having to hit buttons multiple times in a dungeon before I can get a power off because I'm getting stunned, proned or interrupted. I know we wear heavy armour so we can't move like a GWF in Unstoppable, but the game is so fast paced that we need a little help in getting things off.
Gear: Quite simply put, our options are rubbish. You know there is a problem when Cryptic has had to nerf TWO tier 1 sets because they were overused and overpowered for their level. The GFs gear needs to be diversified. Our gear stacks a lot of defense allowing us to very easily reach a point of diminishing returns, so we have wasted stats dumped into defense. Example; my four-piece Timeless only offers
I believe with the above you could allow the GF to be a true tank as well as allow it to do some more damage.
PS - I know the game does not need a tank because four million trash adds are easily burnt and controlled, but turning the GF into a watered down GWF is pointless, so try and make it tankier and give it better party buffs so the diversity is still there but albeit in a more valuable way.
Make us tanking bosses a lot more interesting again. Will also boost our dps big time.
Maybe smaller percentages in pvp
I think I would rather the Marked Target give us xx% lifesteal automatically giving the GF extra threat and hp regen.
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
PVE:
- GF cleave should receive damage buff so to make it move viable in PVE combats.
- Knee breaker can be removed and switched with a power that is similar to GWF "come and get it" or a CW " singularity". The GF should get the aggro, control adds. This skill should not make damage, and it should put the mark of the tab on every enemy + increase damage on the following skill used by 20-25%.
- damage resistance should be increased of 5% at least, so that the average GF could have a resistance between 49% and 54%.
- Iron warrior description should be improved and explain about the increased damage resistance the pg gain after the activation of this power
PvP:
- Tide of iron should receive further buff for guard gain +15%, so to make it the wisest choice in PVP.
- if damage resistance cannot be increased, then GF should receive at least +7.5% on tenacity (pvp) charateristics. the fact that every class get the same pvp resistance makes tenacity useless.
- anvil of doom damage could be defuffed further for 10%, but when killing a foe with it, cooldowns should be reduced of 2.5 seconds on all skills.
I think the group should benefit from tanking beyond not being attacked themselves. Maybe all mobs attacking or marked by the GF automatically grant CA. With all the options of boosting CA damage, this could be a viable group spec. Also the GF should not only generate thread with his own damage, but also with the damage he takes and blocks. Meaning that X% of the taken/blocked damage counts towards threat.
Another option I see is that threat generation by other members of the party is reduced by X% if the mob is currently attacking the GF or even 1-X% is (additionally) credited to the GF.
Thirdly I never quite understood why the GF has no power to temporarily boost its DR. We have something for +dmg and control immunity and for healing, so a third power to boost DR would be complementary. You could pull, boost DR, build AP while tanking and follow up with more DPS or healing depending on the situation.
Bottom line is, I think minor tweaks could already do the trick. With something in the range of what I posted, not only would the GF be a more wanted group member, but people would actually want the GF to tank because they would benefit from deceased threat and more damage.
GF have proven to be extremely effective in the new heroic encounters where control is useless compared to threat. Design Tier 3 to be more like this and change nothing about the GF.
PvP : Change nothing.
Enforce rainbow parties in PvP ---- 10v10 PvP ----
PvE:
- change Guard mechanics so that GF can block more sustained damage from small sources (they said they are already working on this, but it still is my favorite change)[/QUOTE]
Pointless. Look when there are small attacks just don't use the shield. GF defence is high enough that you can pretty much ignore it. Proper guard implimentation means using the shield only in certain circumstance. Can you simply walk away? If yes do so. If no: is it a really big hit? If yes then shield. If no: does it CC? If no take the hit if yes raise shield. This simple logic chain will result in practically never losing your guard meter.
Example:
Conq: Power linked to number of marked /Crit
Protector: Regen linked to number of marked / Power
Tactician: Recovery linked to number of marked / Deflect
Anarchist, level 60 CW
Arsenic, level 60 TR
Pluck Yew, level 60 HR
Therapissed, level 60 DC
2. Change shield mechanism so that it doesn't get eaten up by small damage.
3. Add knock down effect to Villain's Menace, like avalanche.
4. Defense oriented GF gear should increase HP pool by a margin of at least 30% more.
If you find this thread so useless that we should all discuss something else, then perhaps you might do the same and go somewhere else. If not, shut the heck up and keep your negativity to urself.
In PvE, I disagree. I keep my shield up 95% of the time in PvE, regardless of how big the damage is.
the defense needs to be improved ... omg I think it's the stats more sucks in the game. the GF is most slow class and have alot def almost give more chance to keep alive....
more originality and utility for paragon feath ... protector path no have one feath to improved Kigth valor or iron warrior...FAIL ... martial mastery can be better like tactics for combat advance, improve deflect chance, recovery, etc
guard need to be improved too...
and rework for useles feath/daily/eunconters/etc.... Enduring Warrior ... if you have low dmg and poor aoe skill when you kill a good numbers of enemy´s to be useful?
also need hp boost, betters stats and bonus for armor set
(Example KC t1 set bonus vs HG t2 bonus, why t1 is better tham t2 and t2 bonus activate whit crit ? really...no need think much for get a better bonus set)
Do you want to know what GFs got since the beta? To make a quick resume, an increased range from lunging strike and a DPS nerf to one of our only viable skill '' frontline surge '' I mean let's face the truth, only noobs don't use Lunging strike/Bull Charge/ Frontline Surge in PvP.
The funniest part about the frontline surge nerf is it was was intended for the GWFs but since we share the same skills we got also got nerfed.
I mean my skills bar is the same as the first day of beta, nothing has ever changed or evolved for us.
They ****ed up this toon and they don't know what to do anymore. GWFs, TRs and HRs have seen more changes in the last module than the GF since the beta. This game won't ever be balanced but I'll continue to play my GF because when you're good with it it's because you are skilled. It's enough to gratifiate me through the disadvantages of imbalance seeing by other characters.
I totally agree on that. While i do some pvp and think the role of a gf is mainly denying points and/or gain time for your teammates while soaking dmg i lack the ability to tank adequately, because of stun/prone/whatever when i see my guard is low. This is caused by the mentioned cast time. I am less experienced compared to other players (and SM, not IV), but especially when u need the time for steel defense to rebuild your shield u can not do any other encounters than KV (no cast time). F.e. if u need to cast Enforced Threat to aggro new mobs while tanking others i dont know how i should survive it without steel defense up.
Long story short: GF isnt easy, and i like it (at least the way i play it). But the cast time on certain encounters just kill me.
PS: so whats the story behind Iron Warrior? U either want to cast it when u need the extra hp/shield sustain, there is a risk of being killed, or u need the extra threat. Casting 1 sec while there is the risk of being killed is, erm, stupid.
I would love it if the animation for enforced threat were shortened. In the time it takes me to stomp my foot, the CW and HR can be over run (which can be funny to watch but...) and take a ton of damage. At least if the animation has to be so long, let the taunt take place when the animation starts and the damage at the end or something.
I can think of a ton of other things, but other people's ideas are right on here i think.
Amillion Dollars L60 'easy mode' GWF
That would be so incredibly sweet. I can see still having a block meter (the other weapon) but it would be much smaller.
Jugger Conq GF
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Marked target stays visible to GF for duration of mark, which would effectively cause TR's to be unstealthable to TR's when marked. Also, decreased target DR, increased damage to marked target and so on...
Jugger Conq GF
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Could make them slottable only on thier side and switchable just by hitting tab. It would make GF more useful for tanking while still allowing the ability to use the attacks that make GF damage well, without having to sacrifice the abilities that make the gf able to manage aggro or protecting allies just make mark an ability to slot on the defensive side.