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It would be great if we could reroll our starting attributes with respec'ing a character.
By "Starting" attributes, I mean rerolling the set that we do at character creation.
By "Starting" attributes, I mean rerolling the set that we do at character creation.
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I'm with you. My best guess is that 90%+ of the NW Community is with you as well.
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Well that is like saying 100% of the NW wants 500 free zen event. It isn't saying much. Of course people want more.
The relevant question to ask is, how much percentage of the NW community prioritize this feature. My guess is, not nearly as high as 90%. Forum vote does not mean much since only a small fraction goes into the forums and posts regularly. In fact, I don't see more than 100 unique people here.
My point exactly! If we've already seen several requests for this item, and only a fraction of people visit the forums, there's clearly a strong desire for from the player base.
Heck, charge 1000 Zen or more for it! It could be a big money maker for Cryptic. No one is asking for it for free.
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1000 zen sounds reasonable for the amount that it devalues levelling a new toon from 1-60 and getting the boons as well as the amount of players in NW who truly consider this feature sort of an ultimatum to their characters being either "broken" or "perfect".
It should be a matter of time before they implement this.
I was thinking it might be a good idea to put a Token for this in the Ardent Favor shop instead of the Zen Market. This would prevent people who don't mind constantly paying from always being maxed out in whatever stats they want and would allow Initial Ability Scores to retain a sense of importance and permanence.
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Besides it is really down to how you play your class. If you meant to play in the top 1% of the PVP/PVE community, then by all means MAX/MIN your toon otherwise I see little point of doing so.
. . . Many people invest a lot in a character. Such things like equipment, companions, mounts, cosmetics, achievements, and so on... To dismiss this idea with the argument that making characters easy is a folly argument, indeed.
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You're ignoring the fact that there is so much more to a character than being level 60. Things like bound armor/weapons/artifacts, two campaigns and boons, Professions, Achievements, etc. means re-rolling is simply not an option for me.
The term MIN/MAX gets thrown around so much that it's really lost its meaning. You don't have to be a MIN/MAX player to want the most for your character. It also has nothing to do with how powerful your character is but rather how you build your character. A player is a MIN/MAX player if he designs his build around maximizing one strength at the cost of minimizing other strengths, like a TR who stacks only Recovery or a GWF who stacks only Hitpoints. These players are MIN/MAX players even if they have 1 blue artifact and Rank 6s. The term has nothing to do with buying all of the best stuff and being part of the 1%.
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You are ignoring the fact that all weapon and armor are easily obtainable, artifact well it is a money sink anyway, if you are not rich don't touch them. and I don't know why care about professions since they are easy to go up, achievements plz lol... And boons, a lot of good players are rocking only the first 3 boons which is the most important one and are easy to get.
My point: rerolling a toon only gives u a inception that you are STRONGER, technically it does make u stronger as well. But eventually you are just as good as how you play. Have a better ability roll but sitting on rank 6s + 1 blue artifact would gurantee you get your *** handed in when facing rank 10s + lengendary arifacts. How you gonna argue that?
If you have all the time to beg for reroll just go get your rank 10s.
The game has had a few changes and a few more are coming.
It seems reasonable to offer a stat adjustment so we can roll with the changes.
But I can also see the flip-side argument as having validity.
If you can change everything, then there is no consequence to your choices.
Also, I imagine the suits running the game calculate someone will spend more on a new toon.
But considering both sides of the thing, I think a stat respect is warranted and fair given the many nerfs, un-nerfs, and de-nerfs.
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Like you said, ability scores are not a huge deal, you can still play all of the content competitively without them. Thus, they're just not important enough to me to warrant such a large investment of time.
If the devs agree with your stance on the matter, that if a player is not willing to invest all of the time needed to replicate a character, then I guess we will never get the chance to re-roll our initial ability scores. It's a fair enough opinion on the matter.
I'm proposing that the devs consider people who would like to re-roll these scores without having to completely abandon their character by starting over from scratch, which is currently the only way of getting a re-roll.
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Not being harsh, and yes this game is for fun, but even in PnP, you have to adjust your play style based on your stats you iron out during character creation. If you feel your lacking in one attribute to be GOD DPS in end game adjust your play style or equipment, or re-roll a new character more to your satisfaction.
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How is a new player supposed to find that out?
Actually, most strong PVPers are looking for less DPS and more HP.
You're also missing the point that Cryptic made changes that make certain stat rolls less desirable. When NW first came out, burst damage was king. 40k Ice Knives, 60k Lashing Blades, etc. That's all changed now.
But here's the most important thing for Cryptic: It will make them money. There's a need and people will pay for it when real cash or AD converted to ZEN.
Simple enough.
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Nuff Said!
I actually do read before embarking on my first character. I'll give you an example.
Playing cleric, the primary stat is Wisdom, right? So I decided I wanna be full support and have the Wis maxed. All is cool, until out of nowhere they introduced healing depression, which gimp this particular build in PVP. Can still get the rank 10? yes.. but against good 10s players with correct roll, i will be in quite in a disadvantaged position.
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This is the dilemma many of us currently face; reroll or take a long break from the game. Rerolling isn't an option for some of us as we have sinked many hours/ad into our toons. Taking a break from the game, I hate to say it but some don't come back. There are other mmos out there especially now with some big names on the horizon.
Imho, this is a win-win situation for both the playerbase and Cryptic if the option is available. Here's another reason, the pets that we have invested in, millions in ad, will now have active bonuses in the pvp areas in Mod 3. It makes no sense to reroll and spending millions more ad to get the same pets again.
I would love to see this added for those that truely want to Min=Max their toons.
The descriptions are vague at best. They should be descriptive. New players may not know that CON controls HP or that having a high DEX on CW is useless. Or as mentioned, high WIS on a PVP DC.
Of course while they're doing that correct the inaccurate tooltips for encounters/powers too.
A few months ago I would have been against this, but with all the major changes to the classes, buffing, nerfing, balancing, the healing isn't the only thing that has become depressed. A simple stat re-roll could breathe new life into a stale toon.
I see some of these sigs of posters here listing their characters. Some say "retired" after a toons name. Maybe being able to freshen up the character would be enough of a reason to 'unretire' a toon.
As for the cost, you bet your Pile of Easter Candy that there will be a cost to do this, but it is one that many will gladly pay. There will be players who wouldn't mind a little less DEX in trade for a little more CON, More INT, less WIS, etc..
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I agree. I think it really needs to stop at ability rolls since it kinda is attached to the stats.
I mean, if we keep on going on this slope, what's to stop people from requesting being able to change their Control Wizard to a Trickster Rogue for 2000zen
Maybe that person will get a new mount, extra bags of holding, new companions, etc, etc.
Whereas as respec costs what it costs and that's it.
I just find it funny that the only things you can't change are your first choices made with the least amount of knowledge and the most vague descriptions.
Another D&D Based MMORPG I love hands out FREE respecs when they change the nature of the game.
Because people needs to adjust when the game adjusts.
Fair is fair.
I think paying for a respec when the game changes the rule is reasonable and needed to keep the game fun.
No one like playing a toon they perceive as broken.
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