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Reasons why not to panic nerf the Hunter Ranger
With the new Hunter Ranger class out, and new paragons, theres lots to get used to. The old tactics of PVP are not in play anymore and you cannot reley soley on one person to carry the team anymore. Now there have ben some complaints about the HR that i would like to address in an effort to prevent the OVER NERF of this wondrous versatile, fast paced and balanced class.
Complaints:
The roots bind me durring ITC and Unstopabble, this must be a bug and fixed at once!
- binding roots and keeping distance is the primary way that keeps a ranger alive. If a heavy tanky enemy can close distance with no way to root them back, you might as well type /killme as a Hunter Ranger.
HR has too many Abilities
-Each ability only is ever put at its full potential by mixing both melee and ranged powers. A bad HR is one who solely relies on only ranged/melee/ or one particular power to win in a fight.
The Aimed shot ability does too much damage. It should not be able to 2 shot GWFs.
-Aimed shot is a sniping at-will. It has a long and very noticable green partical effect when charging up. If hit at all by an attack or the smallest of DoTs, the Aimed shot at will cannot be casted.
HRs are OP and kill everyone.
-HRs are OP ONLY if your team refuses to focus on down. it takes only 1 good CW or TR to kill an HR in 2-3 seconds. HRs counter meleers. They bind them down while DPSing them or letting another teammate free cast on them. CWs who have several control abilities can control HRs and kill them with ease, if done correctly. A good entangle,ice rays, and an avalanche on tab should do the trick. TRs also have a fair chance fighting HRs, deft strike to close distance and break free from binding roots (if the target is far enough to break them) or the new paragon encounter to mark, and break free/close distance can coutner HRs. This is not speculation. I have fought some good TRs and CWs who could do just this.
Summery, HRs can be taken down easily, just put the effort together to take them down together as a team or a small duo. HRs have amazing burst DPS but can have one of the lowest defence/deflect/HP of any other class.
P.S. The test server has ben opened for 2 months at which point you could level a HR like i have done, or simply go in to PVP against a few HRs. If you did not even bother to check out the test server to learn the tricks of the new class/paragons then you have no right to complain. Especially with the binding roots during ITC/Unstopaple which have been on the test server since the beginning.
Complaints:
The roots bind me durring ITC and Unstopabble, this must be a bug and fixed at once!
- binding roots and keeping distance is the primary way that keeps a ranger alive. If a heavy tanky enemy can close distance with no way to root them back, you might as well type /killme as a Hunter Ranger.
HR has too many Abilities
-Each ability only is ever put at its full potential by mixing both melee and ranged powers. A bad HR is one who solely relies on only ranged/melee/ or one particular power to win in a fight.
The Aimed shot ability does too much damage. It should not be able to 2 shot GWFs.
-Aimed shot is a sniping at-will. It has a long and very noticable green partical effect when charging up. If hit at all by an attack or the smallest of DoTs, the Aimed shot at will cannot be casted.
HRs are OP and kill everyone.
-HRs are OP ONLY if your team refuses to focus on down. it takes only 1 good CW or TR to kill an HR in 2-3 seconds. HRs counter meleers. They bind them down while DPSing them or letting another teammate free cast on them. CWs who have several control abilities can control HRs and kill them with ease, if done correctly. A good entangle,ice rays, and an avalanche on tab should do the trick. TRs also have a fair chance fighting HRs, deft strike to close distance and break free from binding roots (if the target is far enough to break them) or the new paragon encounter to mark, and break free/close distance can coutner HRs. This is not speculation. I have fought some good TRs and CWs who could do just this.
Summery, HRs can be taken down easily, just put the effort together to take them down together as a team or a small duo. HRs have amazing burst DPS but can have one of the lowest defence/deflect/HP of any other class.
P.S. The test server has ben opened for 2 months at which point you could level a HR like i have done, or simply go in to PVP against a few HRs. If you did not even bother to check out the test server to learn the tricks of the new class/paragons then you have no right to complain. Especially with the binding roots during ITC/Unstopaple which have been on the test server since the beginning.
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I'm a new player, but having a ranged dps, not even a tank, needing 2+ people to focus them down or they wipe your whole team sounds completely broken to me; especially one that "counters meleers". That's a direct quote from your completely illogical fanboy defense of a class I haven't even seen.
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Not sure how you're trying to approach HR's, or why you need 2 people to kill one, but they shouldn't be too much of a problem for the older classes. The thing is, HR's, like Control Wizards, have a severe lack of CC immunity skills. So I'm not sure why your team needs 2+ people to focus one HR when you can just have your skilled CW's choke them and stun lock them, or the Iron Vanguard GWF's to send them prone for a group gank. Heck, TR's can one shot HR's.
It's a new learning curve for everyone. People are having a hard time dueling an HR in 1 vs. 1 because they've yet to experience the many ways an HR can be killed. It's just a new learning curve. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the class gets nerfed due to complaints from the people who refused to adapt to their new opponents.
I think they need to make a patch, so when you enter a pvp game all your damage is only 50%, maybe 30% of your total. That way you have longer fights, and ability to do something when attacked, not just die in 5 seconds.
No nerf needed, just make fights last longer by making damage lower in pvp.
It's pretty annoying that GWF and GF are almost made completely ineffective due to a single encounter on a relatively low cooldown. Besides that, HR has one massive jump back and 5+ mini-dashes that will let you dodge hits. Relying on the roots for survival just means you really need to put your bow away and swap to melee from time to time.
This should be kept as is, but some melee abilities need a bit of a buff to actually be useful. Part of that is how badly your mini-dashes mix with melee strikes, sometimes having your HR decide not to attack after a dash.
If roots no longer continue through CC ignore abilities, then it's fine to leave Aimed Shot as is. The big weakness to Aimed Shot is someone who's going to harass you. It should be rewarding to shoot from cover. I'd like it if it couldn't 1 shot people at full/high health, though. I feel like it should leave you with at least 3% of your HP if you're above 80% HP.
HRs will be completely fine if they don't let vines persist through CC immunity. Once that's gone, every class has a decent enough chance at taking them out.
Great because it is a bug.
As long as they fix the bug(s) and then wait to see how things go it will be fine.
People need to learn how to deal with HRs in PvP, along with all the other dynamic changes caused by module 2. Which is why fixing bugs and leaving everything else alone is the best course of action.
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As for relying on rooting solely, maybe explore other ways to play the ranger to survive, there are tons. If you can't then there are other classes.
Gloom level 60 Control Wizard
Dusk level 60 Trickster Rogue
Dawn level 60 Devoted Cleric
Eclipse level 60 Hunter Ranger
Wrath level 60 Great Weapon Fighter
Jinx level 60 Scourge Warlock
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
Proud rank 6 of: <Enemy Team>
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I agree with this. Also with respect to binding going through immunities, as a sent GWF I believe binds should work though things like unstoppable. HR would be way too easy to kill without it. Either way, with frontline surge I get a ranged prone skill that can work pretty far away without much way to anticipate it. Plus whenever I don't have roots I easily sprint and at-will close the gap to any ranger. I have never had any trouble fighting any ranger on it so far.
Also everyone is complaining about how OP GWF is after this update. This class is designed to hopefully be able to counter that. Even if this does become OP against GWF, I wont mind it because GWF is already so strong against everyone else. Plus there is Elven Battle Enchantment if it starts becoming too much of an issue.
I'm not really following this as an issue.
HR's have great ranged DPS (less than CW's and specced TR's) and can do some solid melee DPS (less than TR's, GWF's, and specced GF's), and are slightly less squishy than TR's (except those with defense/deflect stacked), but have even more easy counters than permastealth TR's do. They can be taken down easily by skilled players, and as with all things PvP it's great when you have two teams of skilled players going at it.
But to have a huge duration, super short cooldown, ranged ability that penetrates all CC-immunities, including the core mechanics of TR and GWF, that's just crazy talk. Especially for GWF, there is literally nothing they can do to counter that ability. They are just a big health pool waiting to be zeroed out.
As indicated by the devs, this is clearly a bug. So, there's no point even discussing that issue.
In fact, that issue is a huge distraction. It makes us all focus on the wrong things about the value of a new class in group PvP or PvE in multiple contexts.
Developer confirmed. It will be fixed. Sorry to the rangers who relied solely upon it.
Gloom level 60 Control Wizard
Dusk level 60 Trickster Rogue
Dawn level 60 Devoted Cleric
Eclipse level 60 Hunter Ranger
Wrath level 60 Great Weapon Fighter
Jinx level 60 Scourge Warlock
What I find hilarious, is TR's have been complaining for a long a$$ time that ITC is constantly being overrun by Roar, and just about every other CC ability constantly. Yet...no fix
But holy <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> boys the new class has something you dont like, nerf it!
Gloom level 60 Control Wizard
Dusk level 60 Trickster Rogue
Dawn level 60 Devoted Cleric
Eclipse level 60 Hunter Ranger
Wrath level 60 Great Weapon Fighter
Jinx level 60 Scourge Warlock
meant to happen when classes are introduced.