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How well can Chilling Cloud help Icy Terrain with crowd control?
ianthewizard2012
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(This discussion is based on situations in which Steal Time is not a choice.)
I need an useful method of doing crowd control in epic dungeons. And I'm considering Icy Terrain and Chilling Cloud.
In theory, Chilling Cloud of course can help Icy Terrain with crowd control. Just let mobs stay on the icy terrain and use Chilling Cloud to speed up their freeze. However, that's in an ideal condition. Things in real conditions might be different. Mainly because mobs can still move on the icy terrain before being frozen so they have chances to escape from the icy terrain.
I haven't tested how well Chilling Cloud can help Icy Terrain with crowd control so I need someone with actual experiences to advise on this.
Currently my at-will powers are Storm Pillar and Ray of Frost. I'm planing to replace Storm Pillar with Chilling Cloud in epic dungeons if Chilling Cloud can work magically with Icy Terrain. But I'm also worry about being unable to charge Action Points between combats because of the loss of Storm Pillar.
Can someone with experiences advise? Thanks.
I need an useful method of doing crowd control in epic dungeons. And I'm considering Icy Terrain and Chilling Cloud.
In theory, Chilling Cloud of course can help Icy Terrain with crowd control. Just let mobs stay on the icy terrain and use Chilling Cloud to speed up their freeze. However, that's in an ideal condition. Things in real conditions might be different. Mainly because mobs can still move on the icy terrain before being frozen so they have chances to escape from the icy terrain.
I haven't tested how well Chilling Cloud can help Icy Terrain with crowd control so I need someone with actual experiences to advise on this.
Currently my at-will powers are Storm Pillar and Ray of Frost. I'm planing to replace Storm Pillar with Chilling Cloud in epic dungeons if Chilling Cloud can work magically with Icy Terrain. But I'm also worry about being unable to charge Action Points between combats because of the loss of Storm Pillar.
Can someone with experiences advise? Thanks.
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I ever saw a CW without Chilling Cloud or Magic Missile, you dont need ray of frost in pve.
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Many people dislike IT because it obscures red zones of death. So think about this...
Honestly, this is going on for month now. You even asked the question before the Feywild patch came out. And IIRC, your answer to the question why you didn't respec and include "Steal Time", was that you don't have the money (either Zen or AD) to get the respec token. But, with Feywild came a free respec token.
Steal Time is a very, very good power out of a couple of reasons: very good CC (slow & stun), very good damage output and additionally very good Action point gain. Both of my two CWs (one Thaum, one Rene), are using Steal Time, because of the before mentioned reasons. Even the Thaumaturge, which has better CC, because of Icy Terrain, Conduit of Ice and Chilling Cloud, is using Steal Time.
Therefore, before I'm going to answer your questions: what is your issue with "Steal Time"?
Those two threads answer all your questions.
Thank you. I will check them.
Ohhh... you're the guy with stealing and Lawful Good
Icy Terrain makes it harder in dungeons to see the AoE red zones. Some of these are lethal, and people might not like it when you gonna use it.
I have personally used IT myself for CN 2nd and last boss. I have reconsidered it and now use Shield instead for some additional safety, since I got Charged a few times for 20K
There's some limited usefulness in PvP for IT when dealing with permastealth TRs, but to be honest it is quite disappointing.
In my next respec, Icy Terrain and also Evocation will be two skills to disappear.
I'd try to just imagine Steal Time has another name or just give up the RP thing, or pretend you're a Chaotic Good wiz which wouldn't mind to steal some time for the greater good. All in all it's too useful to be ignored.
And yes, ST is required in all T2s and above.
Entangling force is not nearly as useful as AoE control/damage skills for the majority of content. It can be useful for particularly difficult single enemies who aren't immune to it, but there are other ways to generate AP quickly that are more helpful to your group.
lately my pve set up is tabbed conduit, shard of the endless bowling ball, sudden storm, steal time, chilling cloud, ray of frost. passives are storm spell and eye of the storm.
This combo works nicely in every epic dungeon. Since switching to a Thaum build and using chilling cloud I would say that it seems a lot easier to keep chill stacks up (since CC and SS refreshes the stacks too). Note that CoI only adds chill when it's on tab!
IT really does need another Chill creator though. If I drop CoI (for EF on Tab), then it makes a lot more sense to swap in Shard for IT I think. Still working on that though.
I'm very happy to help out and answer a lot of questions, but when I read something like this:
I wonder if you do actually either a) read the guides which are available here in the forum (where a lot of your questions are already answered) or b) play your CW, because in either case you would know the answers to most of your questions.
For example, it took me exactly one run in a Dungeon to realize that Icy Terrain is overlaying/obfuscating most of the red areas from MOBs. And you're not playing since last week.
pers3phone what he meant because I didn't realize he was referring to that. Probably because I didn't know what the word "obscure" means. (My main language is not English.) And probably also because I don't have much experiences with IT in pve. Two months ago, after several party wipes at the second boss of epic Lair of the Mad Dragon, I was very sad and felt sorry to my parties because I was not a competent controller due to the lack of Steal Time. Thus I told myself not to run epic dungeons until I found an efficient method of doing crowd control.
I had also read/skimmed over the guides long time ago. However, some information they provided about AP gain are outdated today. For example, they say Shield generates lots of AP. But that had been changed.
And I really don't know what the "SS" that refreshes Chill stacks is. Is it Sudden Storm? But Sudden Storm doesn't refresh Chill stacks.
I still login to invoke every day, do Sharandar dailiy and holiday/festival/CTA events.
Oh yes it does
If you believe the description anyway, which might not be wise given how disconnected from reality they appear to be
As for obscuring red areas, yes, IT does do that. I don't use it when there's a lot of those around. The key to being a good CW is changing your tactics to fit the situation.
So since you seem to have not actually read the guides in detail, I'll just make a brief suggestion for you (besides reading the guides).
CoI on Tab, teleport in, drop an Icy Terrain, Use Steal Time (yeah, I get you have RP issues here and don't understand what teleological suspension of the ethical is - so feel free to call it Time Stop like the 9th level wizard spell), teleport out, use chilling cloud as your at-will to keep the chill going - rinse and repeat once they come out of the freeze/stun. For the other encounter you can easily use the shield pulse or whatever suits your fancy.
CoI + IT freezes all enemies every ~2 seconds, it's quite incredible damage also when you run chilling presence + storm spell. I still use steal time as well though.
CoI on tab, Icy terrain, shard, and steal time with the 2 passives I listed give HUGE damage in dungeons. It's honestly faster to just kill mobs than to punt them if you have 2 CW's with this setup and the right feats. Also throw a lightning enchant in the mix and you will out dps the next highest player by like 3mil+
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
As before, your question(s) is/are answered by reading Grimah's Comprehensive Guide to Wizardry for those new and old. -- Powers & Abilities Section
Wait, are you serious?
The reason why people are cycling through powers is because it works. Not an exploit, just a solid and practical strategy. In this case, a rotation that combines solid DPS with excellent CC.
Correct, this is another way to generate AP quickly that doesn't require the use of Entangling Force - and is precisely what you asked for if perhaps not what you meant. EF is a great skill, but it is also single target and of limited utility with many of the more powerful enemies. This is a rotation that is effective in any non-single target situation and builds AP very quickly.