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getting 2 shot in pvp a lot

tcarncetcarnce Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 976 Arc User
edited November 2013 in The Temple
so, anyone has the secret to prevent this ?
besides not going in pvp :)

have 3k def a bit more then 25k hp and 7% deflect.
the 10% regen doesn`t do anything ofcourse when dead in 4 sec ;p
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  • mbllanes199mbllanes199 Member, Banned Users, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 429
    edited November 2013
    Roll out GWF Sent/Regen Build, bring out your Plastic Card and equip with the best the money can buy enchantment and Join a Guild preferably PVP oriented Guild then make Pre-Made PVP group, and fight PUG under 8k Gear...... Surely you will not be 2 shotted.
  • lihin23nihillihin23nihil Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    maybe you do this already but 4 things that help me:

    Healing Word - use it before you take damage (HoT)
    Dodge - learn to time yoru dodge versus their powers
    Use line of sight / distance - stay out of harms way
    Don't stand on a point on your own - you are already a target by being DC don;t make it easy for them.

    there're other simple things to do but these can help if you don't already.
  • morsitansmorsitans Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,284 Bounty Hunter
    edited November 2013
    It would help if you posted what encounter/passives/etc you normally run with: if you're going for MAD DEEPS, then yeah, expect to eat a lot of dirt, even with 3k defence.

    3K def is into softcaps for defense already, I believe, but 2k defense + foresight + astral shield + hallowed ground makes you nigh-invulnerable. I usually roll with my traditional PvE dungeon set up (because I'm spectacularly unimaginative):
    astral shield, sunburst and forgemasters, with hallowed ground and flamestrike/divine armour (flamestrike for lulz, divine armour for really bad teams), foresight/holy fervour. About the only thing I change is to replace sacred flame for BotS, because you sure as hell don't have time for sacred flame spam in PvP.

    I'm pretty sure I have substantially less than 3k defense (I wear comedy regen blues), and I rarely get 2-shot.
  • rabbinicusrabbinicus Member Posts: 1,822 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Depends a lot on how you're getting two shot. Plenty of ways to harden a cleric to be amazingly hard to kill in PvP. But the biggest factor is going to be your team and playstyle.

    So how are you being killed and who is killing you? GF's, TR's, and CW's do it very differently and call for different strategies.
    The right to command is earned through duty, the privilege of rank is service.


  • tcarncetcarnce Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 976 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    wearing blues also for def and regen, but as said the regen doesn`t even matter.
    hopeless, i used healing word ofcourse first, but replaced that with the stun thing on the ground, makes me live 1 sec longer.
    even if i had 10 k more hp they 3 shot me. so that won`t help.
    think i`m even less vulnerable on my rogue with below 1k def.
    using sun burst, that stun thingy and astral shield.
    and full forsight, but they smack like hell.
    while i probably don`t have a problem in dungeons.
    not doing them, not need gear from them for where i made this char for.
    am full con and dex, high as possible ;p
    i ll try it a few more times, but doubt it`s turning out good.
  • tcarncetcarnce Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 976 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    rabbinicus wrote: »
    Depends a lot on how you're getting two shot. Plenty of ways to harden a cleric to be amazingly hard to kill in PvP. But the biggest factor is going to be your team and playstyle.

    So how are you being killed and who is killing you? GF's, TR's, and CW's do it very differently and call for different strategies.

    i don`t play for glory or anything so don`t care about that as much as while leveling.
    everything is killing me :D
    maybe even dc`s lol. no didn`t see that yet. but wouldn`t be surprised if some do.
    but all others can 2 shot me.
    maybe i meet very high geared, but i doubt that a bit.

    3300 defense soon from boon bonus, if that also works in pvp.
    but no hope that it ll get better
  • rabbinicusrabbinicus Member Posts: 1,822 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    tcarnce wrote: »
    i don`t play for glory or anything so don`t care about that as much as while leveling.
    everything is killing me :D
    maybe even dc`s lol. no didn`t see that yet. but wouldn`t be surprised if some do.
    but all others can 2 shot me.
    maybe i meet very high geared, but i doubt that a bit.

    3300 defense soon from boon bonus, if that also works in pvp.
    but no hope that it ll get better

    Are you actively using your slide (shift) skill?
    What powers do you have slotted and what rotation do you use them in?
    The right to command is earned through duty, the privilege of rank is service.


  • tcarncetcarnce Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 976 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    nvm, i`ll go back on my rogue and poke a bit to get my self esteem back and let this dc thing be what it is, whatever it is.
    weird game. just because they wanted to add the superhero feel into it ;p
    2 shotting healers myself too.
    but seen 1 or 2 that were more difficult then that.
    and did loads of pvp ;p
    glad if the next game comes out :D not allowed to say names on here.
  • rabbinicusrabbinicus Member Posts: 1,822 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Defense works in PvP, although until it is fixed it is bypassed by Tenebrous enchants. Most serious PvP players also stack enough ArPen to shred defense. Plenty of HP, Regen, and active play keeps DC's alive beyond standing in a blue circle...
    The right to command is earned through duty, the privilege of rank is service.


  • tcarncetcarnce Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 976 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    yes i know ;p that tene stuf proves a lot about how this game is made.
    wonder what else isn`t 100% right.
    not bothering about it anymore, waiting on another game.
  • rabbinicusrabbinicus Member Posts: 1,822 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    tcarnce wrote: »
    yes i know ;p that tene stuf proves a lot about how this game is made.
    wonder what else isn`t 100% right.
    not bothering about it anymore, waiting on another game.

    Bye.
    It is being fixed in the new module.
    The right to command is earned through duty, the privilege of rank is service.


  • gctrlgctrl Member Posts: 459 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    tcarnce wrote: »
    so, anyone has the secret to prevent this ?
    besides not going in pvp :)

    have 3k def a bit more then 25k hp and 7% deflect.
    the 10% regen doesn`t do anything ofcourse when dead in 4 sec ;p

    Prioritize getting more deflect, you should want to be at a minimum of 15%, I recommend at least 20, from there focus on getting more health (And remember you don't need anymore than 1000 regen).

    Don't worry so much about your defense, just try and keep your Damage Resistance somewhere between 33-40%
    Guild: Lemonade Stand | Server: Dragon (Original) | PvP Forever | 1og0s
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  • bloodytrailzbloodytrailz Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    gctrl wrote: »
    Prioritize getting more deflect, you should want to be at a minimum of 15%, I recommend at least 20, from there focus on more health.

    Don't worry so much about your defense, just try and keep your Damage Resistance somewhere between 33-40%

    GCTRL is a name you can trust (I have a cousin of a cousin in lemonade stand :P and is someone i PVP with daily since i came back to NW)

    http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?446761-GCTRL-s-quot-Sentinel-quot-Cleric-Tank-for-PvP-25-Deflect-1k-Regen-2kDef

    there's his guide there and i recently just built my cleric from the ground up.

    for 2.5million AD i bought every item on his item list and ALL rank 7 silvery enchants.
    I was a human and didn't have optimized stats so im missing 2 con and 6% deflection i could have had :(
    but yeah, following his build exactly (38% damage reduce, 8.2% HP regen, 19.5% deflection) and it takes A LOT to kill me, 1-2 10million+ AD characters or 3-4 "average" PVP'ers.
  • thestaggythestaggy Member Posts: 1,102 Bounty Hunter
    edited November 2013
    Your build is broken (not the best powers and feats combinations) or you are doing something wrong.

    I have 1,700 defence, 640 deflection and no regen. 2 pieces of T2 PvP gear and 2 pieces of T1 gear. Sill wearing a blue belt, shirt and pants. Nothing enchanted. Foresight, Astral Shield, spam healing word on myself and I can do a decent job of tanking. Just last night I sat in my AS (moved around inside it), spammed my HW and it took four of them to drop me. 2 TRs, a GWF and a CW had to bash me for about 6-7 seconds to bring me down. In fact, they immediately made me the priority from that point when they saw me because I was able to last awhile against their DPS members and still keep my teammates alive to a degree. Granted, I wasn't going to kill anybody, but that is not the point of a DC, even in PvP. And sure, maybe a 12k+ DPS will sort me out in a hurry but the point is, for the most part I am able to survive against anything but a BiS/tenes/Sent/P2W party.
    PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
  • tcarncetcarnce Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 976 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    bloodytrailz wrote: »
    GCTRL is a name you can trust (I have a cousin of a cousin in lemonade stand :P and is someone i PVP with daily since i came back to NW)

    http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?446761-GCTRL-s-quot-Sentinel-quot-Cleric-Tank-for-PvP-25-Deflect-1k-Regen-2kDef

    there's his guide there and i recently just built my cleric from the ground up.

    for 2.5million AD i bought every item on his item list and ALL rank 7 silvery enchants.
    I was a human and didn't have optimized stats so im missing 2 con and 6% deflection i could have had :(
    but yeah, following his build exactly (38% damage reduce, 8.2% HP regen, 19.5% deflection) and it takes A LOT to kill me, 1-2 10million+ AD characters or 3-4 "average" PVP'ers.

    thanks,i`ll try that.
    so of to leveling a halfling now ;p
    just was ready with the other one lol.
    anyone interest in pvp leveling ? lol
    i mean, 15 min win farm. for xp cap.
    and being lazy at the same time.
  • faiteaccompliifaiteaccomplii Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 2
    edited November 2013
    I have Perfect Barkshield but I found Greater worked just fine too (just wanted to be even more tanky) And I have friends who used a lesser and noticed a difference so that would be a start.

    You have good defence (like me) and now you just have to be sure you are dodging as others said, using healing word etc.

    I can take on most 1 vs 1 and while I may peck them to death like a chicken dps wise I live. There are a couple rogues on the server who shred me and maybe 1 or 2 GF too (1 vs 1) Most the time when I die it is that the whole team focused me.

    CW with high AP REALLY get me too!! :) They are rough. But most CW are no issue.

    Oh yes and listen to Gctrl at the end of the day he has put the most work into this survival as a DC thing and knows his stuff!! I am always paying attention to what he says and incorporating it into my character as needed.
  • tcarncetcarnce Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 976 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    yes would be nice to have it. unfortunately played too miuch, spend too much.
    and feel like playing less ;p
    i`m copying the build.
    i`m usualy not the smartest with those things, because i get excited too much and can t put up the effort to read and check every detail by myself.
    so hope he plays wildstar too ;p

    have a little doubt about the points in critical on hit, maybe i`d like the recovery more.
  • pallierpallier Member Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    2h sword warriors, rogues with perma stealth, and control wizards with 6 different holds... they own a lot of clerics. if its a 1 on 1 fight you have to outlast them by doing a few stuns or holds of your own and running away while you tag them with dots.... dont' stand and fight every class in the game has more damage than clerics your greatest asset is that you have heals to survive them... so you have to make them run instead by dotting them with your 3 dots then keep them on their backs with your 2 knockdowns... if you have to pop your devine power and channel it to do as much you can to get them low so they die quicker.
    Oh Atari how I miss you!
  • tcarncetcarnce Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 976 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    finaly turned 60, after horrible pvp leveling mostly.
    rewardsystem makes no sense lol ;p
    now i need to learn to play, i mean use the spec properly ;p
    and gear, so going to look at stats what`s needed ;p
  • lazureelazuree Member Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    rabbinicus wrote: »
    Defense works in PvP, although until it is fixed it is bypassed by Tenebrous enchants. Most serious PvP players also stack enough ArPen to shred defense. Plenty of HP, Regen, and active play keeps DC's alive beyond standing in a blue circle...

    defense is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> in pvp imo... When ppl are putting multiple debuffs on your defenses (RoE, terror enchants, plague fire enchants) in addition to armor pen... there isn't much left. I recommend just figuring out timing dodges and sunbursts to keep opponents away. Your major threats ares cw's, tr's are dodgable.
    Also, try changing your build...survival is the most important so go for the righteous tree. Healing step is the most beautiful thing vs tr's.
    One tip that I don't usually share is that a divine healing word is stronger than an astral shield because it a)has a chance of criting and b)has higher heal ticks. If you find yourself short on divinity put down a yellow circle and give yourself a divine healing word.
  • morsitansmorsitans Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,284 Bounty Hunter
    edited November 2013
    Blue astral helps others though, and is a beacon to even the most terrible players, so you're more likely to get an ally coming in to help if you stick with blue circles.

    Of course if you're truly on your own rather than just "punted off to the side at 2" or something, then feel free to ignore this.
  • tcarncetcarnce Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 976 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    it`s working nice till now, almost 2k def 18% deflect and a little under 1000 regen.
    it`s a shame i have 3 previous fail dc`s :D
    at least they don`t do a good job in pvp hahaha.
    took a lot of time from me just because there`s no way to rerol basestats.
    but ok, keeps people play, so guess cryptic/pwe is happy with that.
    downside is i start to dislike this stuf more and more ;p
    wish they could just do some work to keep people playing instead of the need to reroll a whole char if something is wrong.
    but ok :)
    if i go beyond this point they won`t be happy and i waste my time typing it .
  • grungebrmpkgrungebrmpk Member, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 201 Bounty Hunter
    edited November 2013
    My 2 greater issues with DC in pvp:

    1 - Epic gear sux for clerics in pvp, and mostly the pvp set. Life steal is a joke for clerics, and there is no armor penetration or regeneration

    2 - Cleric's heals don't reach the dps classes damage, and clerics damages are too small to be called small. The only 2 powers that I feel usable in pvp for dagame are Hammer of Fate and Daunting light, so you can feel the pain, as hammer is daily, and daunting is very easy to dodge.

    Cleric is very bad designed for pvp imho, items and powers. I really hope for a cleric revamp to make them viable as the other classes. Why? Because pvp rewards the killers, not the healers. In the actual pvp engine, killing is rewarded. If clerics want to get good glory, they need to keep picking towers :(
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • rabbinicusrabbinicus Member Posts: 1,822 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    lazuree wrote: »
    defense is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> in pvp imo... When ppl are putting multiple debuffs on your defenses (RoE, terror enchants, plague fire enchants) in addition to armor pen... there isn't much left. I recommend just figuring out timing dodges and sunbursts to keep opponents away. Your major threats ares cw's, tr's are dodgable.

    In my experience defense in PvP is hardly <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> since a) easy for clerics to build fairly high, b) every bit helps cut into the high AP of people who spec for PvP, and c) everyone makes mistakes sometimes and a mistimes slide can really hurt. :)
    The right to command is earned through duty, the privilege of rank is service.


  • tcarncetcarnce Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 976 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    devs finaly making something usefull. ;p
    no more paying ad for removing enchants but gold lol.
    so i can loot my fail dc`s then.
    although the high defense on one of them works good in pve.
    might leave his enchants alone.

    edit: didn`t look at the right spot i guess for deflect, it`s 27.7% now but with campfire buf.
    still need to drop my green chest if i would have enough for barkshield.
    but 9.3k gs working supergood ;p

    also weapon would need a change, is also a green with deflect.

    it`s 27.2% without bufs.
    so changing when i feel like it
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