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Greed or need in PUG dungeons?
tokse2
Member Posts: 117 Bounty Hunter
I've traditionally chosen need on everything my class can use in PUG dungeons (meaning both random PUGs through the queue system and PUGs coming together through the "looking for group" chat channel). But lately some people have been mad at me when doing that, telling me that "in general we should always choose greed and never need for purple items and weapon/armor enchantments, and that goes for every dungeon". So now I'm not sure if I should click greed or need.
This could off course be made clear by chatting with your team-mates before the big drops, but people are often not responding to such questions, too busy fighting/doing other things etc. etc....
So what is the norm, need or greed?
This could off course be made clear by chatting with your team-mates before the big drops, but people are often not responding to such questions, too busy fighting/doing other things etc. etc....
So what is the norm, need or greed?
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So far there was only one group where someone did not accept that rule but it was because he wanted to glitch the boss, we fourmanned the boss normal way and he choose need -.-
If ppl don't want to Greed purple, well then go for Need. Although I find Greed on purple and Need on anything else (if you want) quite good. It's fair for the whole team. Because if you are unlucky there might be 2 drops which the same class could use. And often ppl don't choose "Need" because they really need it (check their gear before, all purple, high GS, better gear than the thing that dropped) but only because they can need it (they are the only class that can use it) and then sell it for a high amount of AD on the AH. And that's why Greed is the better choice. Only give someone something because he is the only one to Need it and then find the item later on the AH is not really fair for the rest of the party.
I never saw any complaints about loot rolls when doing "all need" runs.
I stay away from greed runs, because based on my experience, greeders care more about loot than needers. And I hate running dungeons with people who mainly do it for loot, instead of for fun. In all need runs, you don't even have to look at other player's choices. But in greed runs, you will see almost everyone stop and watch other players' choices. Game would be more fun to play if our choices were secret. Then, people can choose anything they want, without fear of reprisal.
If someone truly needs an items, after the roll, they can ask the winner to give the item to them.
I usually need, but if I greed or pass, it is because either I am not so interested in that item, or because I think other party members desperately need a gear upgrade.
If you care more about the fun factor more than the loot then why don't you just greed everything then? Kind of hard to take your post seriously when your actions and desires go against the point you're attempting to make. Sounds more like you're trying to take accountability out of the situation instead of putting fun in. Because we all know this game is chock full of PUGs that'll just give you the contested item if you ask nicely...
No one cares to use it as it's intended, but only to serve the own desires.
I use it as it's intended. Need on items I actually need to use on my character only. I set these rules clearly for all groups I lead and everyone in my guild.
Many a pugger who has broken my loot rules has been kicked from my groups.
Most don't learn. I lead the crusade regardless.
-Epic Dread Vault Crushed.
Characters (Dragon): Axer (60 Guardian, Leader of Crush It!), Controller (60 Wizard), Warlocker (60 Warlock)
I think the main reason some people want "greed" runs is that they are trying to twink their alts...so they want a chance of getting items that they wouldn't have a chance of getting if everyone else needed when they could....but quite frankly - I am much more comfortable with "need whenever you can, greed or pass otherwise" ... it is equally fair to everyone, and is less open to abuse.
Even though it means that people will sometimes be needing on items they don't actually *need*, it all balances out in the end.
Guild groups are different - if you know and trust the people you are running with, it is fine to have "need on enchants or items you will use right away, greed/pass on anything else", but for PUGs....nah.
Would like a chance to get the item? Need.
Not? Greed/Pass, which are the same thing.
I can't think of the last time I actually won a greed roll on a good item in a PUG.
The 'need/greed' police always need everything good and take all the good loot. :rolleyes:
System is different though in T2+ content you run from /lfg and sometimes from queue. You greed epics, need shards. If you specifically need some gear, do like I did and say from the start "Guys I need HV gloves here, I will Need if they drop, everybody OK?". People usually don't mind since the drop rate is so low...
Always best when in a fresh group you don't know the people in to ask from the start...
I have been with pugs that roll need on everything and others roll greed on it all.
Some roll need on all shards and all epics
there are five people in this dungeon that are all part of the success of running it. why should you get the item just because it's something in your class? the 'need' button puts your vote above everyone else that's submitted 'greed'. especially if the item is clearly not an upgrade, but a downgrade for you.
i think there should be a forced 'greed' option... just like right now you can start a 5-person group and make it to where the lead decides who gets boss-dropped loot. wouldn't that HAMSTER off all the ninja looters?
I've had 1 group that was nice enough to atleast leave the profession nodes for the class that can loot them during the professions event though.
Just seems to me that everyone ( with the exception of a few ) in pugs is just a greedy player that rolls on as much as possible for no reason other then to have more items. It's quite sad but that's how it is in pugs.
Those "needed" classes that have a lower drop rate are compensated by having a much easier time finding a group as they are "needed" however.
So the difference between all greed and all need only even comes into effect if you have say 2 CW's and a CW item drops, otherwise it's the same 20% chance to get an item whether you need or greed, the chance is just based on the drop itself (which is a random roll) and not the loot roll.
Also as I said in my opening statement, if I'm in a pug I'm there to gear myself not my party (guild runs are completely different) so why would I not need if I am a DC and my item drops? (as opposed to anyone else's who would have probably needed anyway even if they're the one complaining that you needed...)
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
In general every PUG I've been in since Feywild went live has gone Greed or Pass (Need on Enchants/Crafting). Nobody really needs any actual gear, so it's just a matter of being fair with the purple drops (that we only need for AD).
What's the point in having the option and never being able to really use it...?
Another of Cryptic moronic decision...
Personally, I'd do Greed everytime. With my guild this is standard but with PUG, one is enough to make everyone need hence not getting anything to make AD. This is stupid...
They should turn this function ON!
They may only be greyed out when you Q for a dungeon, I've never checked. But they work fine when you form a party prior to Q'ing up. Either that or they must be set before you enter the instance.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
I actually tried that several times (not in a while tho) and it seems to be locked on server-side as well... To be reconfirmed tho...
Why should I choose greed? Game won't be more fun if I choose greed.
It's my right and my decision what I choose. If I want that item, I choose need.
I will never apologize for choosing need.
My problem is players, such as you, who tell me what I ought to choose.
If I designed the game, there would be no loot rolls, but that's no an option.
Edit: When I join a party, if the leader makes loot rules, I leave.
Arguing with other players about loot is what ruins my fun.
It's not perfect, but it's better than allowing people to need on everything just because they can. It's not fair to people who might genuinely need a piece if everyone is allowed to need on it just because they can or because they want it. There are also people who use the reasoning "I do need it, I need AD!" for needing on something they're going to sell. That's not how the system is supposed to work.
People will get what they probably don't need but make (little) AD reselling it or worse, salvaging it for rough AD... That epic drop for cleric will always go to a cleric who very likely doesn't need it, and yet will get it 100% of the time...
This works both way and ultimately, players who agree (and stick) to Greed will end up with more good BoE stuff at the end that their other characters will actually equip and use...
Oh, I just recalled another good idea that comes up now and then - Needing on something should automatically bind it. The only people who will be upset by this are people who are abusing the 'need' button in the first place.
Someone in a PUG will not follow this same rule (even if agreed upfront), so you place yourself at a disadvantage. That may or may not be important to you.
Across all dungeons, I'm pretty sure that loot drops for each class about evenly. If everyone always needed, the gear distribution over the course of the game will still be even. There are two rolls: A) For which class does loot drop;
Sci-fi author: The Gods We Make, The Gods We Seek, and Ji-min
There is a difference between being loot-focused (which I really dislike as well) and putting yourself at a disadvantage over others you run with.
Personally I prefer to go into a dungeon to have fun, and see it as a happy byproduct of that fun that party members walk away with an even (over time) amount of loot.
The very best dungeons for me are not the ones where we loot the final boss in record time, but ones where we enter as a 5 individuals and exit as a team.
Sci-fi author: The Gods We Make, The Gods We Seek, and Ji-min
Also if it's an upgrade to an item my pet is using... then yeah I want it.
That being said... stop looting trash greens no one wants! Stop looting in the middle of big *** fights!
But as the group goes I go... but I'd rather need on what I need, otherwise wtf am I running it for.