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zultan9zultan9 Member Posts: 21 Arc User
edited September 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
I must say, when I looked at Zen prices I had to chuckle at what I saw
For $50 you get 5300 Zen at $100 you get 10,600 Zen, they flag the latter as a best deal.
I was expecting a little bonus Zen for the $100, now that would be a best deal.
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  • kobrakai2kobrakai2 Member Posts: 147 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    It's the best deal for Cryptic.
  • nwntalonnwntalon Member Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Zen is 100 for $1. So the $100 may not be the best per se, but you would still be getting 600 zen for free.
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  • abzerothabzeroth Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 31
    edited September 2013
    kobrakai2 wrote: »
    It's the best deal for Cryptic.

    That's a dealiciously cryptic message :cool:
  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    nwntalon wrote: »
    Zen is 100 for $1. So the $100 may not be the best per se, but you would still be getting 600 zen for free.

    But the bonus zen per dollar amount is exactly the same for $50 as it is for $100 - you'd think they'd give you even more free Zen, as an incentive to spend that much...
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  • fusedmassfusedmass Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 252 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    The people that spend hundreds, thousands on a video game. I spent hundreds. But to spend 200 at a time and keep repeating that. It boggles my mind. How people can throw away cash on a virtual item. This game really is borderline pay to win because if you have enough zen you can exchange it for diamonds

    with diamonds you can buy whatever gear off the ah you want
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    With the focus on bonus zen, yes you would think that. In fact for Europe at least (I'm from the UK) the value gets WORSE in some cases.

    €27.99 > 3080+220 zen = 117.9 z/€
    €44.99 > 4950+350 zen = 117.8 z/€
    €89.99 > 9900+700 zen = 117.79 z/€

    I had a look before and thought there was a slightly bigger change so maybe they tweaked it a little. However even though the difference is miniscule, it's pretty ridiculous.
  • clearlyavirginclearlyavirgin Banned Users, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 163 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    The best deals are still on that wts gold website.

    As long as you don't mind identity theft.
  • melodywhrmelodywhr Member Posts: 4,220 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    fusedmass wrote: »
    The people that spend hundreds, thousands on a video game. I spent hundreds. But to spend 200 at a time and keep repeating that. It boggles my mind. How people can throw away cash on a virtual item. This game really is borderline pay to win because if you have enough zen you can exchange it for diamonds

    with diamonds you can buy whatever gear off the ah you want

    i hear what you're saying but in your perception, spending money on a virtual item is a waste. to those that are buying zen for in-game items, they are buying hours of entertainment. some people buy books... others buy movies... and then there's the video game culture. the great and worst thing about the f2p business model is it allows others to pay for advantages now while others grind and work hard for their achievements. and the reasons one chooses not to pay could be due to financial limitations or perhaps it's a personal choice.

    i guess i just don't understand why what other people do in this game is so important to other people... especially when it comes to spending their own money.
  • melodywhrmelodywhr Member Posts: 4,220 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    frishter wrote: »
    With the focus on bonus zen, yes you would think that. In fact for Europe at least (I'm from the UK) the value gets WORSE in some cases.

    €27.99 > 3080+220 zen = 117.9 z/€
    €44.99 > 4950+350 zen = 117.8 z/€
    €89.99 > 9900+700 zen = 117.79 z/€

    I had a look before and thought there was a slightly bigger change so maybe they tweaked it a little. However even though the difference is miniscule, it's pretty ridiculous.

    yes but often times foreign markets have taxes and requirements that cause that kind of inflation and unfortunately there isn't anything the company can do about it.
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    melodywhr wrote: »
    yes but often times foreign markets have taxes and requirements that cause that kind of inflation and unfortunately there isn't anything the company can do about it.

    That still doesn't mean that it makes sense to charge you more per zen for spending more. I knew 2 other f2p games that I played with this sort of system. The first didn't have that much of a boost but was better than nothing, the 2nd was a horrible studio that got replaced after about a year and a half or so which had inefficient price points too. I'm hoping this game doesn't follow up on the 2nd one. I used to get annoyed at bugs in that game and have been annoyed with bugs in this one, although there's more content being patched, however zen items are extremely costly. I would've thought that taxes were a flat amount anyway for transactions, I could be wrong. Either way it need to be changed in some way. It's silly for me to buy 3 €28 amounts if I want to get more efficient prices than the 1 €89.99 one. Although it also doesn't help that the prices are in euros and not gbp which means I get charged for the conversion.
  • kozi001kozi001 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 876 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Zen-to-AD rate is pretty low recently. It's only 337AD a zen.
    Maybe worth waiting with buying zen...?
  • zalcszalcs Banned Users Posts: 345 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    fusedmass wrote: »
    The people that spend hundreds, thousands on a video game. I spent hundreds. But to spend 200 at a time and keep repeating that. It boggles my mind. How people can throw away cash on a virtual item. This game really is borderline pay to win because if you have enough zen you can exchange it for diamonds

    with diamonds you can buy whatever gear off the ah you want

    Inb4 edited post
  • zalcszalcs Banned Users Posts: 345 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    melodywhr wrote: »
    i hear what you're saying but in your perception, spending money on a virtual item is a waste. to those that are buying zen for in-game items, they are buying hours of entertainment. some people buy books... others buy movies... and then there's the video game culture. the great and worst thing about the f2p business model is it allows others to pay for advantages now while others grind and work hard for their achievements. and the reasons one chooses not to pay could be due to financial limitations or perhaps it's a personal choice.

    i guess i just don't understand why what other people do in this game is so important to other people... especially when it comes to spending their own money.

    It's important to them because they don't want to get fisted with perfect vorpal/greater plague + 7 tenebs. The pvp in this game seriously has no competitiveness... *sigh*
  • esteenaesteena Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1
    edited September 2013
    Definition of Pay to Win:

    Players who pays money to the game, have exclusive access to game contents and items. Only and only them can have it and access it by paying a certain amount of money to the company.

    Definition of Pay to Advance:

    Players who pays money to the game, have access to the game contents and items "faster" than normal non-paying players. They would be stronger and geared out faster than non-paying players, but eventually on the long term, the non-paying players can access the same amount of contents/items the paying players have.


    Founder/Feywild packs are excluded since they are purely cosmetic items.
  • sasheriasasheria Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    esteena wrote: »
    Definition of Pay to Win:

    Players who pays money to the game, have exclusive access to game contents and items. Only and only them can have it and access it by paying a certain amount of money to the company.

    Definition of Pay to Advance:

    Players who pays money to the game, have access to the game contents and items "faster" than normal non-paying players. They would be stronger and geared out faster than non-paying players, but eventually on the long term, the non-paying players can access the same amount of contents/items the paying players have.


    Founder/Feywild packs are excluded since they are purely cosmetic items.

    This.

    this is what people keep getting confuse between Pay to Win vs Pay to advance. To add, P2W also include items that you MUST PAY in order to complete a task/quest/level.

    i.e. if you need a scroll which can ONLY be obtain from store (cannot trade or sold via AH) in order to go beyond level 10, 20, 30, 40 then it can be consider pay to win. Another example would be the BEST item in the game is NOT from dungeon but from Store ONLY and still cannot be traded in AH (like NW) then it is pay to win since the best item can be bought instead of hunting for them.

    Back to the original topic: I bought the packs, but I usually won't buy Zen until there is a sale (20% or higher).
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  • esteenaesteena Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1
    edited September 2013
    sasheria wrote: »
    This.

    this is what people keep getting confuse between Pay to Win vs Pay to advance. To add, P2W also include items that you MUST PAY in order to complete a task/quest/level.

    i.e. if you need a scroll which can ONLY be obtain from store (cannot trade or sold via AH) in order to go beyond level 10, 20, 30, 40 then it can be consider pay to win. Another example would be the BEST item in the game is NOT from dungeon but from Store ONLY and still cannot be traded in AH (like NW) then it is pay to win since the best item can be bought instead of hunting for them.

    Back to the original topic: I bought the packs, but I usually won't buy Zen until there is a sale (20% or higher).

    Exactly. Some players like Zalcs and so many lazies are complaining because they don't want to bother with farming.

    " IF i can kill them i'm pro, if i can't then they are pay to win/ need to get nerfed"

    That basically settles the whole story behind the constant whining.
  • cribstaxxxcribstaxxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,300 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    Everything in life is "Pay to Win" if you have enough money. How is this different that even a sub game? Lol you can pay a chinese farmer to level you to 60 and get you good gear. All new games from this point are going to have real money auction houses b/c they make money. Quit crying on the forums b/c someone else has something that you don't have yet and go earn the currency to get it.
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  • sasheriasasheria Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    cribstaxxx wrote: »
    Everything in life is "Pay to Win" if you have enough money. How is this different that even a sub game? Lol you can pay a chinese farmer to level you to 60 and get you good gear. All new games from this point are going to have real money auction houses b/c they make money. Quit crying on the forums b/c someone else has something that you don't have yet and go earn the currency to get it.

    that is true. If you look at that way, then everything is "pay to win"

    The main difference in pay to win in video game is you can't get everything UNLESS you pay. NeverWinter allows you to get almost everything without having to pay a single penny. You DO pay via time. That is the key. You pay with Time and/or Money. NW made it such a way that a player can play only and STILL gain access to Zen store item via AD/Zen market.

    This is why the term "Pay to Advance" is more true than pay to win.
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