Having parsed thousands of hits with this enchant I can safely say it's on a 10 second ICD, and each enchant has its own separate ICD.
Its proc rate is about 30% and it can proc off anything (even another proc if you have a 2nd equipped).
Which makes it very front loaded as between bleeds, dots and attacks you can hit that 30% 10 times easily within the first 2-3 seconds.
From a sustained DPS standpoint though, assuming 25k hp, the greaters would only add 75 DPS per rune. My CW does about 3k DPS at 60 - each greater is only a 2.5% increase.
It's a 5 second CD and it's a 100% proc chance on initial damage with a 10% proc chance thereafter for the duration of the cumulative damage.
It's a 5 second CD and it's a 100% proc chance on initial damage with a 10% proc chance thereafter for the duration of the cumulative damage.
Christ, definately broken at 5 seconds.
Even if it was a minute cooldown it still gives some huge burst.
Wth is wrong with you Cryptic lol.
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geaden007Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 8Arc User
edited May 2013
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Hmm, Tenebrous OP? Ya think!?
I heard about it's potential, but until I pretty much melted where I stood, and died within3-4 seconds did I start to parse to see why.
I am wearing 2 pieces Shadow Weaver, and rest pvp gear, with mix of minor/major epic jewelry.
I use 6x greater tenebrous as a Control Wizard. It has between 3-5 second of internal cooldown.
It procs of any dot.
Currently they hit for 703 damage each.
Their damage can be reduced by defence.
Did i pay to win? Nope i paid for my epic mount 40 euros. Rest i farmed. Do i think this enhancement is OP? Nope, because it does damage of CURRENT hp. Meaning if during a fight i drop below 70% health, my damage is reduced significantly, because i lack 6 x 180 Power/Armor Pen/Crit Strike.
I use 6x greater tenebrous as a Control Wizard. It has between 3-5 second of internal cooldown.
It procs of any dot.
Currently they hit for 703 damage each.
Their damage can be reduced by defence.
Did i pay to win? Nope i paid for my epic mount 40 euros. Rest i farmed. Do i think this enhancement is OP? Nope, because it does damage of CURRENT hp. Meaning if during a fight i drop below 70% health, my damage is reduced significantly, because i lack 6 x 180 Power/Armor Pen/Crit Strike.
whining kiddies.
Bumping this because it is OP in pvp due to health pots on the map if you are low on health. If you have a pocket cleric in your party, it becomes insane.
A TR with a hybrid scoundrel/executioner build, 6x greater tenebrous and a greater plague fire enchant, melts anything just from cloud of steel spamming.
Bumping this because it is OP in pvp due to health pots on the map if you are low on health. If you have a pocket cleric in your party, it becomes insane.
A TR with a hybrid scoundrel/executioner build, 6x greater tenebrous and a greater plague fire enchant, melts anything just from cloud of steel spamming.
Probably, but have you met somebody with 6x greater tenebrous? If you have, I guarantee the person exploited or spent a lot of money on zen. By the time the majority of the population comes close to getting 6x greater tenebrous, there will be something better and something that counters it.
Bumping this because it is OP in pvp due to health pots on the map if you are low on health. If you have a pocket cleric in your party, it becomes insane.
A TR with a hybrid scoundrel/executioner build, 6x greater tenebrous and a greater plague fire enchant, melts anything just from cloud of steel spamming.
If it's so good. Let everyone get it. Hey, no one is stopping you. As for your Cleric remark. The fact that Clerics are overpowered in PvP has nothing to do with the enhancement.
No one stops you from getting 6 greater Tenebrous. I farmed mine in 2 weeks.
Probably, but have you met somebody with 6x greater tenebrous? If you have, I guarantee the person exploited or spent a lot of money on zen. By the time the majority of the population comes close to getting 6x greater tenebrous, there will be something better and something that counters it.
Yes I have because my Executioner, overrun critical, rank 7 arm pen enchants, vorpal build; got beat soundly against his hybrid, 6x greater tenebrous, greater plague fire; while we were both spamming CoS. In three seconds I had to hit impossible to catch (stealth wasn't up) and dodge out of there because he melted my HP so fast compared to what I was doing to him.
Doesn't matter if he exploited or used real money to buy zen, his build hits like a truck. I have fought the TRs Darkness and Ghost here on dragon server and I can hold my own against them but him I cannot.
When his CoS is done, he hits you with three impact shots if you're not finished by then. All this from range and he kills you, doesn't have to be in melee range. The only way I can get him is by using shocking execution before his normal soulforged procs, other than that, his build counters mine hard.
There has been a couple of times when we're in the same party and you should see the ridiculous amounts of damage from the tenebrous procs when he pops lurker's assault, stealth, and spam CoS. Clerics and GFs stand no chance against that.
If it's so good. Let everyone get it. Hey, no one is stopping you. As for your Cleric remark. The fact that Clerics are overpowered in PvP has nothing to do with the enhancement.
No one stops you from getting 6 greater Tenebrous. I farmed mine in 2 weeks.
I'm not complaining, props to you for farming it. I'm just saying the Tenebrous procs hit hard and often and it shows in pvp.
These people would also seem to be under the impression that they should be treated differently because they spent money. They are under the assumption that time does not equal money, when in all cases time does equal money.
Weather you spend AD or cash for these enchants you have the right to be a little upset when they get nerfed. However not much of a right. If you use prethought and consider that no other enchants compare for any class or build its not hard to figure out what's going to happen in the future.
This idea that people should get "Grandfathered In" for their purchase is ludicrous. If you invest in a new company and said company goes down in stock value you can't go "Oh this is the value I bought it at, that's what it's worth." If you make a frivolous investment you risk loosing money.
Ok so people who spent time can be pissed too, never meant to imply they couldn't. Frivolous investment is one thing, but it is more like insider trading when PWE profits both ways. Them constantly changing stuff while people are paying money not just for enchants or feats etc, but to even make changes because something is broken or nerfed, makes it a profit motive for PWE when they change stuff and not give free respecs or refunds.
soulwarrior78Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 541Arc User
edited May 2013
Okay, so I did a bit of testing and I came up with these figures. Also, I have 11k GS and I got 7 Greater Tenebrous (pvp belt, pants, ring x2, neck, weapon, talisman).
After 3 minutes beating on a dummy using my pvp rotation (no Daily used):
pvp is so easy with tenebrous it's not even funny, i expect them to nerf the hell out of it when archer ranger comes out though, i think you guys can figure out the rest without me explaining why. i personally stopped playing pvp because 100-0ing people in stealth + CoS was so boring you can be half asleep and still kill someone. so for people who are going ape **** and investing millions of AD onto greater tenebrous, i hope you have enough AD to make up for it in the future.
here are some screenies to back up my claim, you can be half asleep and still carry an entire team of scrubs
Havent been bothered to read everything in this post. But here is my share to everyone.
They're not going to nerf something that is obtained from a lockbox. Nerfing Stalwart set and nerfing Tene enchants isnt on the same page.
People should stop ranting about tene enchant because nothing is going to be done due to it being one of the "rewards" from the old lockbox, they cant just change it because its OP.
In fact, they already changed it by creating a NEW lockbox, so basically people wont be able to obtain tene anymore except from AH.
I am pretty sure that is all Cryptic is going to be doing about this problem.
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It should be ressed though, tenebs are op and cost a lot of money. (so not everyone can get ahold of them.) They make pvp extremely unbalanced and classes that stack hp (gwf and gf) are capable of doing more burst than rogue, and it's just wrong imo...
Don't get me started on rogues stacking tenebs lol...
It should be ressed though, tenebs are op and cost a lot of money. (so not everyone can get ahold of them.) They make pvp extremely unbalanced and classes that stack hp (gwf and gf) are capable of doing more burst than rogue, and it's just wrong imo...
Don't get me started on rogues stacking tenebs lol...
So you want cryptic to be a charity company, that makes ZEN consumers equal to the casual normal players?
Ofcourse the ZEN consumers will always be more advanced and more powerful, that's how the company drives them to buy more ZEN. It is the business nothing special.
And now that Nightmare boxes aren't drop-able anymore, these enchantments rarer now than before and soon they wont exist in the market.
You probably don't know how the tenebrous are working, they are bursty so all you need to do is DODGE whatever being thrown at you.
I have a TR and i never had issues against Tenebrous players since i know when and how to dodge their burst attacks . You have to understand that a full stacking G.Tenebrous player would need 36k HP to make around 7k damage if all his tenebrous proc at the same time. That means on a TR or a CW the tenebrous won't be so efficient unless the TR is prema stealthed or the CW is completely out of reach..So if you manage to out play them you wont have issues.
But since you have a TR...With PvP T1 Gear and rank 5 /4 enchantments...even a cleric would be OP for you.
So you want cryptic to be a charity company, that makes ZEN consumers equal to the casual normal players?
Ofcourse the ZEN consumers will always be more advanced and more powerful, that's how the company drives them to buy more ZEN. It is the business nothing special.
And now that Nightmare boxes aren't drop-able anymore, these enchantments rarer now than before and soon they wont exist in the market.
You probably don't know how the tenebrous are working, they are bursty so all you need to do is DODGE whatever being thrown at you.
I have a TR and i never had issues against Tenebrous players since i know when and how to dodge their burst attacks . You have to understand that a full stacking G.Tenebrous player would need 36k HP to make around 7k damage if all his tenebrous proc at the same time. That means on a TR or a CW the tenebrous won't be so efficient unless the TR is prema stealthed or the CW is completely out of reach..So if you manage to out play them you wont have issues.
But since you have a TR...With PvP T1 Gear and rank 5 /4 enchantments...even a cleric would be OP for you.
#1 teneb customer speaking, once again making assumptions based on... well, nothing. Your "I pay, it is my right to be overpowered"-kinda attitude is very premature to say the least. It is a privilege, not a right.
#1 teneb customer speaking, once again making assumptions based on... well, nothing. Your "I pay, it is my right to be overpowered"-kinda attitude is very premature to say the least. It is a privilege, not a right.
For one, i never paid for my tenes, i earned them from selling loot from the CN farm.
For two, Cryptic is a business company, they didn't make this game for charity...and like every MMO company, they empower their customers by making them more advanced than other players. Which would in return encourage non paying players to buy their products to have an edge over others aswell.
So yes, paying players have the "right" to be more powerful than non-paying players.And again, Tenebrous aren't over powered at all. They are over powered against players that are geared in PvP T1 gears and rank 4 enchants as you..Even non paying players should have better gear than that.
You are just way too lazy to work on your character and justifying your actions by blaming the company and their products, following the Old saying, " If i can beat them i'm pro, if i can't then they are OP and should be nerfed".
Players with that attitude NEVER improve in online games .
For two, Cryptic is a business company, they didn't make this game for charity...and like every MMO company, they empower their customers by making them more advanced than other players. Which would in return encourage non paying players to buy their products to have an edge over others aswell.
So yes, paying players have the "right" to be more powerful than non-paying players.And again, Tenebrous aren't over powered at all. They are over powered against players that are geared in PvP T1 gears and rank 4 enchants as you..Even non paying players should have better gear than that.
It's not a "right". It's not even a "privilege", it's called pay-to-win and ruins the fun for competitive players, who want to earn their victories by playing the game - not by using their wallet. Okay, maybe you farmed your stuff, but somebody bought it with real currency at some point. It's not cosmetics, it's not convenience, it's a power being sold in the cash-shop. Oh yes, they only sell keys - a chance to get this power, which is not better.
Problem is that non-paying customers aren't running any charity for Cryptic, likewise. They are investing their time into this game and providing the company, AH sales, groups in PvP/PvE for paying customers, and will leave if they won't be satisfied with the level of service. Many already left, I can tell this by reduced AH activity. And p2w was probably one of the many reasons why they left.
Players who believe that adding p2w option to the game is justified by the fact that "it's business" and voice their opinions on that are making online games worse for everybody else.
As far as I know they are only available in the Nightmare Lockbox, which no longer drop. I just sold 70 on the AH. This means the numbers are dwindling, which means the tene won't be around much longer. I honestly encounter an uber tene player about once a day. They are usually a GF, and roll with a premade. In which case I quit. Simple as that. I am geared to the teeth myself (15.1 GS) and still stand NO chance in any situation against a tene player. It was a stupid enchant to begin with, if other people simply quit against them, then their pay 2 win won't be any fun for them, which makes me happy.
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degraafinationMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
As far as I know they are only available in the Nightmare Lockbox, which no longer drop. I just sold 70 on the AH. This means the numbers are dwindling, which means the tene won't be around much longer. I honestly encounter an uber tene player about once a day. They are usually a GF, and roll with a premade. In which case I quit. Simple as that. I am geared to the teeth myself (15.1 GS) and still stand NO chance in any situation against a tene player. It was a stupid enchant to begin with, if other people simply quit against them, then their pay 2 win won't be any fun for them, which makes me happy.
All I know is the recent patch didn't do anything against a Greater Tenebrous Sentinel GWF with high regeneration.
It's not a "right". It's not even a "privilege", it's called pay-to-win and ruins the fun for competitive players, who want to earn their victories by playing the game - not by using their wallet. Okay, maybe you farmed your stuff, but somebody bought it with real currency at some point. It's not cosmetics, it's not convenience, it's a power being sold in the cash-shop. Oh yes, they only sell keys - a chance to get this power, which is not better.
Problem is that non-paying customers aren't running any charity for Cryptic, likewise. They are investing their time into this game and providing the company, AH sales, groups in PvP/PvE for paying customers, and will leave if they won't be satisfied with the level of service. Many already left, I can tell this by reduced AH activity. And p2w was probably one of the many reasons why they left.
Players who believe that adding p2w option to the game is justified by the fact that "it's business" and voice their opinions on that are making online games worse for everybody else.
If i can farm for tenebrous, then anyone else can do it aswell. That's the main point here, everything is accessible by anyone, it is just harder for the non paying players but not impossible.
And if that doesn't satisfy the lazy players then be it, they are better off to another game then.
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petpet2Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
It should be ressed though, tenebs are op and cost a lot of money. (so not everyone can get ahold of them.) They make pvp extremely unbalanced and classes that stack hp (gwf and gf) are capable of doing more burst than rogue, and it's just wrong imo...
Don't get me started on rogues stacking tenebs lol...
I'm a GF on 4Gtenebs + 2 NTenebs. tbh I don't really find it OP against adequately geared players. Heck, it's not even powerful. the odds of all 6 Tenebs proc together isn't that high really. I do plan to replace them with all Darks soon.
It's REALLY OP against those players who are fresh off level 59.
Probably you belong to that helpless group of players who are too lazy to farm, then come QQ on the forums?
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It's a 5 second CD and it's a 100% proc chance on initial damage with a 10% proc chance thereafter for the duration of the cumulative damage.
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Christ, definately broken at 5 seconds.
Even if it was a minute cooldown it still gives some huge burst.
Wth is wrong with you Cryptic lol.
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Hmm, Tenebrous OP? Ya think!?
I heard about it's potential, but until I pretty much melted where I stood, and died within3-4 seconds did I start to parse to see why.
I am wearing 2 pieces Shadow Weaver, and rest pvp gear, with mix of minor/major epic jewelry.
Discuss/questions?
I use 6x greater tenebrous as a Control Wizard. It has between 3-5 second of internal cooldown.
It procs of any dot.
Currently they hit for 703 damage each.
Their damage can be reduced by defence.
Did i pay to win? Nope i paid for my epic mount 40 euros. Rest i farmed. Do i think this enhancement is OP? Nope, because it does damage of CURRENT hp. Meaning if during a fight i drop below 70% health, my damage is reduced significantly, because i lack 6 x 180 Power/Armor Pen/Crit Strike.
whining kiddies.
Bumping this because it is OP in pvp due to health pots on the map if you are low on health. If you have a pocket cleric in your party, it becomes insane.
A TR with a hybrid scoundrel/executioner build, 6x greater tenebrous and a greater plague fire enchant, melts anything just from cloud of steel spamming.
Um no, Im a GF and I use tenebrouses on in my offense slots and it is amazing, it can be amazing for any class depending on their build.
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Probably, but have you met somebody with 6x greater tenebrous? If you have, I guarantee the person exploited or spent a lot of money on zen. By the time the majority of the population comes close to getting 6x greater tenebrous, there will be something better and something that counters it.
If it's so good. Let everyone get it. Hey, no one is stopping you. As for your Cleric remark. The fact that Clerics are overpowered in PvP has nothing to do with the enhancement.
No one stops you from getting 6 greater Tenebrous. I farmed mine in 2 weeks.
Yes I have because my Executioner, overrun critical, rank 7 arm pen enchants, vorpal build; got beat soundly against his hybrid, 6x greater tenebrous, greater plague fire; while we were both spamming CoS. In three seconds I had to hit impossible to catch (stealth wasn't up) and dodge out of there because he melted my HP so fast compared to what I was doing to him.
Doesn't matter if he exploited or used real money to buy zen, his build hits like a truck. I have fought the TRs Darkness and Ghost here on dragon server and I can hold my own against them but him I cannot.
When his CoS is done, he hits you with three impact shots if you're not finished by then. All this from range and he kills you, doesn't have to be in melee range. The only way I can get him is by using shocking execution before his normal soulforged procs, other than that, his build counters mine hard.
There has been a couple of times when we're in the same party and you should see the ridiculous amounts of damage from the tenebrous procs when he pops lurker's assault, stealth, and spam CoS. Clerics and GFs stand no chance against that.
I'm not complaining, props to you for farming it. I'm just saying the Tenebrous procs hit hard and often and it shows in pvp.
Ok so people who spent time can be pissed too, never meant to imply they couldn't. Frivolous investment is one thing, but it is more like insider trading when PWE profits both ways. Them constantly changing stuff while people are paying money not just for enchants or feats etc, but to even make changes because something is broken or nerfed, makes it a profit motive for PWE when they change stuff and not give free respecs or refunds.
After 3 minutes beating on a dummy using my pvp rotation (no Daily used):
After a PvP match (PvP score: http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7901/matchresult.jpg):
Indeed I am
here are some screenies to back up my claim, you can be half asleep and still carry an entire team of scrubs
They're not going to nerf something that is obtained from a lockbox. Nerfing Stalwart set and nerfing Tene enchants isnt on the same page.
People should stop ranting about tene enchant because nothing is going to be done due to it being one of the "rewards" from the old lockbox, they cant just change it because its OP.
In fact, they already changed it by creating a NEW lockbox, so basically people wont be able to obtain tene anymore except from AH.
I am pretty sure that is all Cryptic is going to be doing about this problem.
It should be ressed though, tenebs are op and cost a lot of money. (so not everyone can get ahold of them.) They make pvp extremely unbalanced and classes that stack hp (gwf and gf) are capable of doing more burst than rogue, and it's just wrong imo...
Don't get me started on rogues stacking tenebs lol...
So you want cryptic to be a charity company, that makes ZEN consumers equal to the casual normal players?
Ofcourse the ZEN consumers will always be more advanced and more powerful, that's how the company drives them to buy more ZEN. It is the business nothing special.
And now that Nightmare boxes aren't drop-able anymore, these enchantments rarer now than before and soon they wont exist in the market.
You probably don't know how the tenebrous are working, they are bursty so all you need to do is DODGE whatever being thrown at you.
I have a TR and i never had issues against Tenebrous players since i know when and how to dodge their burst attacks . You have to understand that a full stacking G.Tenebrous player would need 36k HP to make around 7k damage if all his tenebrous proc at the same time. That means on a TR or a CW the tenebrous won't be so efficient unless the TR is prema stealthed or the CW is completely out of reach..So if you manage to out play them you wont have issues.
But since you have a TR...With PvP T1 Gear and rank 5 /4 enchantments...even a cleric would be OP for you.
#1 teneb customer speaking, once again making assumptions based on... well, nothing. Your "I pay, it is my right to be overpowered"-kinda attitude is very premature to say the least. It is a privilege, not a right.
For one, i never paid for my tenes, i earned them from selling loot from the CN farm.
For two, Cryptic is a business company, they didn't make this game for charity...and like every MMO company, they empower their customers by making them more advanced than other players. Which would in return encourage non paying players to buy their products to have an edge over others aswell.
So yes, paying players have the "right" to be more powerful than non-paying players.And again, Tenebrous aren't over powered at all. They are over powered against players that are geared in PvP T1 gears and rank 4 enchants as you..Even non paying players should have better gear than that.
You are just way too lazy to work on your character and justifying your actions by blaming the company and their products, following the Old saying, " If i can beat them i'm pro, if i can't then they are OP and should be nerfed".
Players with that attitude NEVER improve in online games
It's not a "right". It's not even a "privilege", it's called pay-to-win and ruins the fun for competitive players, who want to earn their victories by playing the game - not by using their wallet. Okay, maybe you farmed your stuff, but somebody bought it with real currency at some point. It's not cosmetics, it's not convenience, it's a power being sold in the cash-shop. Oh yes, they only sell keys - a chance to get this power, which is not better.
Problem is that non-paying customers aren't running any charity for Cryptic, likewise. They are investing their time into this game and providing the company, AH sales, groups in PvP/PvE for paying customers, and will leave if they won't be satisfied with the level of service. Many already left, I can tell this by reduced AH activity. And p2w was probably one of the many reasons why they left.
Players who believe that adding p2w option to the game is justified by the fact that "it's business" and voice their opinions on that are making online games worse for everybody else.
All I know is the recent patch didn't do anything against a Greater Tenebrous Sentinel GWF with high regeneration.
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If i can farm for tenebrous, then anyone else can do it aswell. That's the main point here, everything is accessible by anyone, it is just harder for the non paying players but not impossible.
And if that doesn't satisfy the lazy players then be it, they are better off to another game then.
It's REALLY OP against those players who are fresh off level 59.
Probably you belong to that helpless group of players who are too lazy to farm, then come QQ on the forums?