So what is the issue? None of the packs are required to play the expansion. Play the game, and each time a new pack comes out (with expansion or not) look at it, and decide whether you want to pay the cost for what it contains. If, for you, the cost is not worth the contents, don't buy it, and see if the next one has better value.
This game could last you over a year for under $100. Buy what you want. Don't buy what you don't want.
well said, content is free you don't buy the content, its there regardless wether u buy the pack or not, but look at it another way instead of buying 50 bux worth of zen buy this for 10 bux more, no need to convert zen to ad already done. 110% mount, earthstone and all the other goodies.
Exactly, not enough content to justify the $60. Let's look at the psycological trick being played here. First, the content is priced ridiculously expensive. Then, it is marked down but it's advertised as if it's a huge savings, even a loss to the seller. This is the typical sale item racket that stores run all the time.
The $60 pack gives you a T3 mount and a R3 companion for all your characters. But let's ignore that for a moment. Let's go with the premise that you enjoy this game. If you don't enjoy playing the free, base version of this game, then stop reading right here. Remember - while not high end by any measure, you can still get the T1 mount and white-quality companions for free, and without any real money investment.
So, going back to my premise - if you enjoy this game, even just using the white horse and companion(s), then you can earn everything you need to get a T3 mount and higher rank companions. By saving your ADs from invoking, running leadership task for them, and by selling rare or epic items that you don't need on the AH, you can save up enough to get that stuff for free.
That's what I did, and I'm thrilled that that opportunity was afforded to me.
When you open up your wallet and decide to pay, what you are doing is saying to yourself "I don't want to have to wait for item X, so I will pay to get it now".
I can understand differing opinions, but you are borderline making stuff up here. I'm done. Enjoy your hate, rant, troll, or whatever this is.
I can understand differing opinions, but you are borderline making stuff up here. I'm done. Enjoy your hate, rant, troll, or whatever this is.
I have to agree with you, seems to me it's jealousy at work in these threads. The person or persons can't get mommy or daddy to fork over 60 bucks for the pack so they argue that is waaaaa unfair waaaa to expensive waaaa I feel cheated waaaaa you're stupid if you buy it waaa because if I can't have it no one else should waaaaaa. Lets make a new forum post and complain that it's too expensive waaaaa. Most adults walk away and take their wallets with them, children usually throw tantrums and scream trying to get attention. See the YouTube video of the kid who follows his mother around from room to room throwing himself on the floor as soon as his mom is looking. That's what these threads remind me of..... It's soooooo simple don't buy it show some control!
It is what it is:cool:
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zentucknorMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I can pay less than $60USD for a complete game. Why should I bother to pay $60 for a tiny expansion? So I can play the same quests over and over again with different character visuals? No thanks.
This part stood out and I think is a great example of the whole "micro transaction" gone made approach of Perfect World and specifically Neverwinter. Right now I can buy Skryim Legendary Edition, an RPG with over 200 hours of game play and a modding community that has expanded that at least another 100 hours for $35.
Now compare this to a Fey Package that gives you a few neat items to use in a game that has about 50 hours to content, at the lovely price of $60.
I seriously have to say in my eyes Perfect World is not perfect, far from it, should be called Greedy <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> World. Look I have gamed a long time and worked with a lot of developers over the years. I understand these people need to be paid and the bills pile up in an MMO. However the pricing model of this game is way off from that of ANY other company out there.
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brendan03usMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
This part stood out and I think is a great example of the whole "micro transaction" gone made approach of Perfect World and specifically Neverwinter. Right now I can buy Skryim Legendary Edition, an RPG with over 200 hours of game play and a modding community that has expanded that at least another 100 hours for $35.
Now compare this to a Fey Package that gives you a few neat items to use in a game that has about 50 hours to content, at the lovely price of $60.
I seriously have to say in my eyes Perfect World is not perfect, far from it, should be called Greedy <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> World. Look I have gamed a long time and worked with a lot of developers over the years. I understand these people need to be paid and the bills pile up in an MMO. However the pricing model of this game is way off from that of ANY other company out there.
The thing is that in a f2p/freemium model, a lot of people spend no money at all, a lot of people spend some money but not a lot of money, and a small number of people spend a LOT of money (the "whales"). So the pricing reflects that. It isn't pricing designed to encourage high volume of purchases, but rather to achieve a high margin on a lower volume of purchases. That's because no matter where the prices are, a large portion of the playerbase won't pay for anything "on principle", or because they enjoy "beating the system" and not paying for anything and so on. The pricing reflects the fact that only a small portion of the playerbase in any freemium game is going to spend a significant amount of money anyway, and the idea is to get a lot of margin from that small portion of the playerbase.
It's possible that lowering prices would increase the volume of sales of the people in the middle -- that is the folks who are not whales but who are also not the "I'll never spend a dime" type of people. Those people already make a modest amount of purchases under the current system, and it's possible that lowering prices would increase their purchase volume a bit. My guess is that PWE won't go that route unless they see a real dropoff in the demand from whales for the current premium priced stuff -- if that demand drops off they will be forced to lower prices to increase the volume of sales and the expense of margin.
I can understand differing opinions, but you are borderline making stuff up here. I'm done. Enjoy your hate, rant, troll, or whatever this is.
I already explained how I got that, $55 for a level 3 mount and companion for one character in the zen store. That is the price reference that PWE set for you so you can compare the Feywild Knights Pack to. Sure, compared to that, FKP is a bargain. Then, throw in the rest of the game you can play for free. Oh wow, such a bargain, until you look at other games, even the ones that are not free to play. Skyrim is one example that was mentioned. Neverwinter Nights 2 is another.
Shop around. You'll find better bargains. Then you'll understand what I'm talking about. If your only point of reference is NWO or other similarly priced games then you'll never see what I see and that's your loss, not mine.
I already explained how I got that, $55 for a level 3 mount and companion for one character in the zen store. That is the price reference that PWE set for you so you can compare the Feywild Knights Pack to. Sure, compared to that, FKP is a bargain. Then, throw in the rest of the game you can play for free. Oh wow, such a bargain, until you look at other games, even the ones that are not free to play. Skyrim is one example that was mentioned. Neverwinter Nights 2 is another.
Shop around. You'll find better bargains. Then you'll understand what I'm talking about. If your only point of reference is NWO or other similarly priced games then you'll never see what I see and that's your loss, not mine.
Except that $55 is for one mount and one companion for all of your characters, not just one.
I already explained how I got that, $55 for a level 3 mount and companion for one character in the zen store. That is the price reference that PWE set for you so you can compare the Feywild Knights Pack to. Sure, compared to that, FKP is a bargain. Then, throw in the rest of the game you can play for free. Oh wow, such a bargain, until you look at other games, even the ones that are not free to play. Skyrim is one example that was mentioned. Neverwinter Nights 2 is another.
Shop around. You'll find better bargains. Then you'll understand what I'm talking about. If your only point of reference is NWO or other similarly priced games then you'll never see what I see and that's your loss, not mine.
I guess I was wrong, I'm back for one more post. If you want people to take you seriously try the truth.
The Zen shop items are a little high. But not outrageously so. Mounts for example: Other games that sell mounts sell them for nearly as much or in a different fashion. WoW shop mounts are $25. Very similarly priced to Neverwinter. EQ2 mounts are mostly about $20. But you only get one mount for that price. Not one for every single character you will ever make.
If you keep trying to compare the cost of ingame optional items to the purchase cost of another game you'll lose every time. Because the cost of this game is $0. No one has to pay for the pack unless they want the stuff in it. And its their call to decide if its valuable enough for them to do so. It doesn't matter what else they could get with their money. What matters is what they want to get with it.
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gutbotMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 28Arc User
Other games that sell mounts sell them for nearly as much or in a different fashion. WoW shop mounts are $25. Very similarly priced to Neverwinter.
so almost a 3rd difference in price is very similar.. oh please, these forums lack so much logic that it seems that the majority of the positive posts for cryptic/pwe are either staff of these companies or arguing for the sake of an argument.
so almost a 3rd difference in price is very similar.. oh please, these forums lack so much logic that it seems that the majority of the positive posts for cryptic/pwe are either staff of these companies or arguing for the sake of an argument.
The WoW mount is $25. For that $25 to be a 3rd less then NW's, assuming i'm understanding your ranting correctly, NW's would need to be $75. Considering the most expensive mount currently is $35 and it is account wide. Meaning with the default two characters you are not getting one mount for $35 but two for $17.50 each. A number that is actually LESS then WoW's and considerably less then your exaggerated figures.
Maths, you are doing it wrong.
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brendan03usMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited July 2013
I think he's saying that the the $10 difference is around 1/3 of $35.
Except that $55 is for one mount and one companion for all of your characters, not just one.
That is exactly what I am talking about. You are letting PWE set the price points for you. You see that a level 3 mount plus companion in the zen store costs $55 per character and you think it's a bargain to get that for all characters at the same price. Meanwhile, you are ignoring that you can get all of Skyrim for $35USD or all of Neverwinter Nights 2 for $19.99 where you can have as many characters as you want without paying extra and as much content on each character as you want, even multiples of the same item, without paying extra and movement speed increases are character abilities and items you craft or loot without paying extra and move faster. I have had 12 companions in Neverwinter Nights 2 without paying extra for any of them. And, you have a million times more freedom to mod those games than you ever will in NWO. You can change the rules in those games like you couldn't even dream of doing in NWO.
Or, you could play Warframe for free where the run speed is already twice as fast as NWO.
I guess I was wrong, I'm back for one more post. If you want people to take you seriously try the truth.
The Zen shop items are a little high. But not outrageously so. Mounts for example: Other games that sell mounts sell them for nearly as much or in a different fashion. WoW shop mounts are $25. Very similarly priced to Neverwinter. EQ2 mounts are mostly about $20. But you only get one mount for that price. Not one for every single character you will ever make.
If you keep trying to compare the cost of ingame optional items to the purchase cost of another game you'll lose every time. Because the cost of this game is $0. No one has to pay for the pack unless they want the stuff in it. And its their call to decide if its valuable enough for them to do so. It doesn't matter what else they could get with their money. What matters is what they want to get with it.
I don't see how I lose paying $19.99USD instead of $59.99USD.
Playing for free is irrelevant when what you get for free is not satisfactory and you have to pay money to get a satisfactory game. In that case, the more satisfactory game with the better price wins. $19.99 beats $59.99.
EQ and WOW have the same pricing issues as NWO. So, it's no use mentioning them. They're all over priced too.
This part stood out and I think is a great example of the whole "micro transaction" gone made approach of Perfect World and specifically Neverwinter. Right now I can buy Skryim Legendary Edition, an RPG with over 200 hours of game play and a modding community that has expanded that at least another 100 hours for $35.
Now compare this to a Fey Package that gives you a few neat items to use in a game that has about 50 hours to content, at the lovely price of $60.
I seriously have to say in my eyes Perfect World is not perfect, far from it, should be called Greedy <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> World. Look I have gamed a long time and worked with a lot of developers over the years. I understand these people need to be paid and the bills pile up in an MMO. However the pricing model of this game is way off from that of ANY other company out there.
Not greedy <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> world it's P.W.E. Pick Wallets Empty
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well said, content is free you don't buy the content, its there regardless wether u buy the pack or not, but look at it another way instead of buying 50 bux worth of zen buy this for 10 bux more, no need to convert zen to ad already done. 110% mount, earthstone and all the other goodies.
So how in the world did you get that...^
From this....v
I can understand differing opinions, but you are borderline making stuff up here. I'm done.
I have to agree with you, seems to me it's jealousy at work in these threads. The person or persons can't get mommy or daddy to fork over 60 bucks for the pack so they argue that is waaaaa unfair waaaa to expensive waaaa I feel cheated waaaaa you're stupid if you buy it waaa because if I can't have it no one else should waaaaaa. Lets make a new forum post and complain that it's too expensive waaaaa. Most adults walk away and take their wallets with them, children usually throw tantrums and scream trying to get attention. See the YouTube video of the kid who follows his mother around from room to room throwing himself on the floor as soon as his mom is looking. That's what these threads remind me of..... It's soooooo simple don't buy it show some control!
This part stood out and I think is a great example of the whole "micro transaction" gone made approach of Perfect World and specifically Neverwinter. Right now I can buy Skryim Legendary Edition, an RPG with over 200 hours of game play and a modding community that has expanded that at least another 100 hours for $35.
Now compare this to a Fey Package that gives you a few neat items to use in a game that has about 50 hours to content, at the lovely price of $60.
I seriously have to say in my eyes Perfect World is not perfect, far from it, should be called Greedy <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> World. Look I have gamed a long time and worked with a lot of developers over the years. I understand these people need to be paid and the bills pile up in an MMO. However the pricing model of this game is way off from that of ANY other company out there.
The thing is that in a f2p/freemium model, a lot of people spend no money at all, a lot of people spend some money but not a lot of money, and a small number of people spend a LOT of money (the "whales"). So the pricing reflects that. It isn't pricing designed to encourage high volume of purchases, but rather to achieve a high margin on a lower volume of purchases. That's because no matter where the prices are, a large portion of the playerbase won't pay for anything "on principle", or because they enjoy "beating the system" and not paying for anything and so on. The pricing reflects the fact that only a small portion of the playerbase in any freemium game is going to spend a significant amount of money anyway, and the idea is to get a lot of margin from that small portion of the playerbase.
It's possible that lowering prices would increase the volume of sales of the people in the middle -- that is the folks who are not whales but who are also not the "I'll never spend a dime" type of people. Those people already make a modest amount of purchases under the current system, and it's possible that lowering prices would increase their purchase volume a bit. My guess is that PWE won't go that route unless they see a real dropoff in the demand from whales for the current premium priced stuff -- if that demand drops off they will be forced to lower prices to increase the volume of sales and the expense of margin.
I already explained how I got that, $55 for a level 3 mount and companion for one character in the zen store. That is the price reference that PWE set for you so you can compare the Feywild Knights Pack to. Sure, compared to that, FKP is a bargain. Then, throw in the rest of the game you can play for free. Oh wow, such a bargain, until you look at other games, even the ones that are not free to play. Skyrim is one example that was mentioned. Neverwinter Nights 2 is another.
Shop around. You'll find better bargains. Then you'll understand what I'm talking about. If your only point of reference is NWO or other similarly priced games then you'll never see what I see and that's your loss, not mine.
Except that $55 is for one mount and one companion for all of your characters, not just one.
I guess I was wrong, I'm back for one more post. If you want people to take you seriously try the truth.
The Zen shop items are a little high. But not outrageously so. Mounts for example: Other games that sell mounts sell them for nearly as much or in a different fashion. WoW shop mounts are $25. Very similarly priced to Neverwinter. EQ2 mounts are mostly about $20. But you only get one mount for that price. Not one for every single character you will ever make.
If you keep trying to compare the cost of ingame optional items to the purchase cost of another game you'll lose every time. Because the cost of this game is $0. No one has to pay for the pack unless they want the stuff in it. And its their call to decide if its valuable enough for them to do so. It doesn't matter what else they could get with their money. What matters is what they want to get with it.
The WoW mount is $25. For that $25 to be a 3rd less then NW's, assuming i'm understanding your ranting correctly, NW's would need to be $75. Considering the most expensive mount currently is $35 and it is account wide. Meaning with the default two characters you are not getting one mount for $35 but two for $17.50 each. A number that is actually LESS then WoW's and considerably less then your exaggerated figures.
Maths, you are doing it wrong.
So So true...
Sad but true!
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That is exactly what I am talking about. You are letting PWE set the price points for you. You see that a level 3 mount plus companion in the zen store costs $55 per character and you think it's a bargain to get that for all characters at the same price. Meanwhile, you are ignoring that you can get all of Skyrim for $35USD or all of Neverwinter Nights 2 for $19.99 where you can have as many characters as you want without paying extra and as much content on each character as you want, even multiples of the same item, without paying extra and movement speed increases are character abilities and items you craft or loot without paying extra and move faster. I have had 12 companions in Neverwinter Nights 2 without paying extra for any of them. And, you have a million times more freedom to mod those games than you ever will in NWO. You can change the rules in those games like you couldn't even dream of doing in NWO.
Or, you could play Warframe for free where the run speed is already twice as fast as NWO.
I don't see how I lose paying $19.99USD instead of $59.99USD.
Playing for free is irrelevant when what you get for free is not satisfactory and you have to pay money to get a satisfactory game. In that case, the more satisfactory game with the better price wins. $19.99 beats $59.99.
EQ and WOW have the same pricing issues as NWO. So, it's no use mentioning them. They're all over priced too.
Not greedy <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> world it's P.W.E. Pick Wallets Empty