A typical single player game nowadays has, what, 20-30 hours of content? I play pretty often, and even then my new 60's have a /played time of about 40+ hours. While the main quest chains are the same for all characters, there is a smattering of class and race specific quests as well. I have 1 of each class at 60, and the experience to get there has been different enough to keep me playing.
What does this boil down to? It means that value is subjective - considering there's no sub fee and the game is still being added to, $60 isn't bad at all. Most single player games I tend to put down once I beat them.
The best part, though - unlike those other games, you can still play this one w/o spending a dime! How can people gloss over this fact so easily?
If you factor in the base game into the $60 then it doesn't seem as bad as when you consider that they have an expansion planned for every 2 months for a year, or two IIRC. Then, you have to wonder at what point is $60 per expansion too much money. 6 expansions at $59.99USD each is $359.94USD. I've had games last me for over a year for under $100, and I wasn't getting nickle and dimed every step of the way. I paid one price for all the content, not $20 for a mount, another $20 for a companion, another $5 for 2 character slots, etc. $20 for a figment of my imagination or $20 for something tangible? Hmmmmmmmm........
If you factor in the base game into the $60 then it doesn't seem as bad as when you consider that they have an expansion planned for every 2 months for a year, or two IIRC. Then, you have to wonder at what point is $60 per expansion too much money. 6 expansions at $59.99USD each is $359.94USD. I've had games last me for over a year for under $100, and I wasn't getting nickle and dimed every step of the way. I paid one price for all the content, not $20 for a mount, another $20 for a companion, another $5 for 2 character slots, etc. $20 for a figment of my imagination or $20 for something tangible, hmmmmmmmm........
But you dont need to buy the new pack just because an expansion is released. Unless you really really really want the cosmetic items that are in the pack.
If you factor in the base game into the $60 then it doesn't seem as bad as when you consider that they have an expansion planned for every 2 months for a year, or two IIRC. Then, you have to wonder at what point is $60 per expansion too much money. 6 expansions at $59.99USD each is $359.94USD. I've had games last me for over a year for under $100, and I wasn't getting nickle and dimed every step of the way. I paid one price for all the content, not $20 for a mount, another $20 for a companion, another $5 for 2 character slots, etc. $20 for a figment of my imagination or $20 for something tangible, hmmmmmmmm........
I guess youve not played many EA games. Where the moment you open the box and install you get hit with adds for new DLC for only a few bucks more. You know, stuff they could of put on the disk initially, but didnt.
If you factor in the base game into the $60 then it doesn't seem as bad as when you consider that they have an expansion planned for every 2 months for a year, or two IIRC, then you have to wonder at what point is $60 per expansion too much money. 6 expansions at $59.99UAD each is $359.94USD. I've had games last me for over year for under $100, and I wasn't getting nickle and dimed every step of the way. I paid one price for all the content, not $20 for a mount, another $20 for a companion, another $5 for 2 character slots, etc.
So what is the issue? None of the packs are required to play the expansion. Play the game, and each time a new pack comes out (with expansion or not) look at it, and decide whether you want to pay the cost for what it contains. If, for you, the cost is not worth the contents, don't buy it, and see if the next one has better value.
This game could last you over a year for under $100. Buy what you want. Don't buy what you don't want.
But you dont need to buy the new pack just because an expansion is released. Unless you really really really want the cosmetic items that are in the pack.
I know, and I will not buy it. I'm doing what I already suggested to everyone else. I play a bunch of free to play games. I have more characters across all those games than I would in any one single game and I get more variety instead of having all my characters playing the same quests over and over again.
I guess youve not played many EA games. Where the moment you open the box and install you get hit with adds for new DLC for only a few bucks more. You know, stuff they could of put on the disk initially, but didnt.
I've played too many EA games and I'm done with their grubby bull****. But, PWE is worse.
I know, and I will not buy it. I'm doing what I already suggested to everyone else. I play a bunch of free to play games. I have more characters across all those games than I would in any one single game and I get more variety instead of having all my characters playing the same quests over and over again.
Ok, so why are you trying to push your views onto others? If they find enjoyment in the game then cool, if they find value in the cosmetic packs then cool. In the end you can play this game for a long time without spending a dime and still enjoying all of the content that the expansions provide.
So what is the issue? None of the packs are required to play the expansion. Play the game, and each time a new pack comes out (with expansion or not) look at it, and decide whether you want to pay the cost for what it contains. If, for you, the cost is not worth the contents, don't buy it, and see if the next one has better value.
This game could last you over a year for under $100. Buy what you want. Don't buy what you don't want.
How do I know if I like something if I don't play it first? I don't. I'm not going to risk $60 on a handful of content to find out if I like any of it when I can spend $60 on a lot more content and have a greater chance to find something that I like in the bigger pile.
Ok, so why are you trying to push your views onto others? If they find enjoyment in the game then cool, if they find value in the cosmetic packs then cool. In the end you can play this game for a long time without spending a dime and still enjoying all of the content that the expansions provide.
Because your weak minds shall be mine. Join the darkside luke.
Because your weak minds shall be mine. Join the darkside luke.
Good quote an all, but you keep bringing up spending $60 to play the expansion which isnt true at all. All of the expansion will be free minus the Moon Elf race. Thats it.
Good quote an all, but you keep bringing up spending $60 to play the expansion which isnt true at all. All of the expansion will be free minus the Moon Elf race. Thats it.
and it'll be mediocre and not live up to expectations at all. because Cryptic is a master of never delivering on hype/
and it'll be mediocre and not live up to expectations at all. because Cryptic is a master of never delivering on hype/
This will depend on how many $60 packs they sell. If mediocre brings in the cash, there is really no business incentive to do anything outstanding. Artists care about their creations, business cares about their bottom line.
Good quote an all, but you keep bringing up spending $60 to play the expansion which isnt true at all. All of the expansion will be free minus the Moon Elf race. Thats it.
I won't be buying the new pack. All useless cosmetics, including the new race. Not new class, no new foundry features. Thumbs down.
Actually there will be new foundry features, but they will be free for everyone.
Why is this such a difficult concept. They Fury of the Feywild Module is free and includes a lot of stuff in it. They Feywild Knight pack is just like the Guardian and HOTN packs in that they arent necessary to buy to play the game.
You know there is more in the pack then just that, stop being so obtuse.
Feywild Knight Package:
Unique Moon Elf Race
Unique Dawn Unicorn Mount
Unique Sylph Companion
Unique Moonsilver Regalia Fashion Set
600,000 Astral Diamonds
PWE Games Gift Package
And much more!
If you don't care why did you post this thread? what is your purpose?
I think it might have been a rhetorical sentiment aimed at getting people to consider the value the product rather than simply obeying its stated price mindlessly.
Ok, so why are you trying to push your views onto others? If they find enjoyment in the game then cool, if they find value in the cosmetic packs then cool. In the end you can play this game for a long time without spending a dime and still enjoying all of the content that the expansions provide.
I think a discussion of value is hardly pushing ones views on others unless you find the view so compelling as to be inescapable. And there is a good point about playing the game without paying but let us not forget that the game and its staff is actively working to corner you into paying somehow. Whether it is in dead-end mechanics that allow you to engage the game up to a point and then expect payment in some fashion like the enchantment system or psychological tricks to pressure you into buying things like the “look who got a horse” announcements you cannot escape or any of a host of other ways.
If you want to play the game for free you must do so despite the game itself. Many people have a reaction to that. May opinions here in this very thread are subtly informed by that reaction.
Free free free free free. You realize that if you don't ever pay anything at all for any game, eventually there will be nothing beyond small indie games to play? Sure there are some great games out there that are solely the product of a person (or small group's) artistic passion, but most games on all platforms still exist to generate revenue for their creators.
You're able to play this game and some others for free because some players are paying. Something the scope of an MMO, or most things involving multiplayer just can't be done or maintained if the entire player base refuses to pay for at least some aspect of the game.
I do think the prices in this game are outrageous, so I'm reluctant to purchase anything, but you can't blame them for charging something for their work.
This is the saddest sort of debating position of all. The Stockholmed position that assumes you owe the company or the game some sort of monetary tithe just for existing or that you owe those that do pay because they provide the game to you is some fashion.
But that is not the way business works. It is up to the business to offer something the players want, something for which they will be willing to pay. The cost of the game, the salaries of the devs, the yachts of the CEOs; none of that is my concern as a player. It is incumbent on the game company and its staff to produce content for which I will pay. I don’t owe them anything, and neither do you.
If they are failing to produce acceptable content, that’s not my problem either. Don’t feel that you have to pour money into an enterprise that is poorly run and badly managed producing a substandard product. If someone approached you on the street and offered to sell you a horse for a mere $60 wit the caveat that the horse wasn’t real and you couldn’t get your money back. Would you buy it? Do you owe that person anything for imagining up a horse?
But maybe I have misjudged you. Perhaps you are the sort of person who legitimately wants to help others and are donating your money to Cryptic and PWE to help their devs and staff. If so then you are a good person and I wish you the very best. I might suggest a more worthy charity but I do understand the concept of baby steps. Keep that light in your heart.
Otherwise, I will sell you a ticket to see the suckers, step right thing way, into the tent where you will see a crowd of other people who bought the same ticket and nothing else.
I think a discussion of value is hardly pushing ones views on others unless you find the view so compelling as to be inescapable. And there is a good point about playing the game without paying but let us not forget that the game and its staff is actively working to corner you into paying somehow. Whether it is in dead-end mechanics that allow you to engage the game up to a point and then expect payment in some fashion like the enchantment system or psychological tricks to pressure you into buying things like the “look who got a horse” announcements you cannot escape or any of a host of other ways.
If you want to play the game for free you must do so despite the game itself. Many people have a reaction to that. May opinions here in this very thread are subtly informed by that reaction.
It wasnt just about the discussion about value though, it was also his need to tell people about the "Many other free games that offer so much more and you should all go play them" mentality.
You know there is more in the pack then just that, stop being so obtuse.
Feywild Knight Package:
Unique Moon Elf Race
Unique Dawn Unicorn Mount
Unique Sylph Companion
Unique Moonsilver Regalia Fashion Set
600,000 Astral Diamonds
PWE Games Gift Package
And much more!
I know. You claimed, "Good quote an all, but you keep bringing up spending $60 to play the expansion which isnt true at all. All of the expansion will be free minus the Moon Elf race. Thats it. " So, stop making misleading statements.
You're exagerating when you say that the pack includes "much more": Moonsilver Regalia Fashion Set, Loamweave Enchantment, Stone of Earth, Adventurer's Helper Pack, In-Game Title, Forum Title, 1 Extra Character Slot.
I know. You claimed, "Good quote an all, but you keep bringing up spending $60 to play the expansion which isnt true at all. All of the expansion will be free minus the Moon Elf race. Thats it. " So, stop making misleading statements.
You're exagerating when you say that the pack includes "much more": Moonsilver Regalia Fashion Set, Loamweave Enchantment, Stone of Earth, Adventurer's Helper Pack, In-Game Title, Forum Title, 1 Extra Character Slot.
Im not exaggerating at all, that is directly from the Feywild site. This just proves to me you have done no research on anything about the Feywild Packs or the Module itself, you just wish to complain.
And the Moon elf race is the only thing that isnt free in the expansion. How is that misleading?
I think it might have been a rhetorical sentiment aimed at getting people to consider the value the product rather than simply obeying its stated price mindlessly.
I think a discussion of value is hardly pushing ones views on others unless you find the view so compelling as to be inescapable. And there is a good point about playing the game without paying but let us not forget that the game and its staff is actively working to corner you into paying somehow. Whether it is in dead-end mechanics that allow you to engage the game up to a point and then expect payment in some fashion like the enchantment system or psychological tricks to pressure you into buying things like the “look who got a horse” announcements you cannot escape or any of a host of other ways.
If you want to play the game for free you must do so despite the game itself. Many people have a reaction to that. May opinions here in this very thread are subtly informed by that reaction.
This is the saddest sort of debating position of all. The Stockholmed position that assumes you owe the company or the game some sort of monetary tithe just for existing or that you owe those that do pay because they provide the game to you is some fashion.
But that is not the way business works. It is up to the business to offer something the players want, something for which they will be willing to pay. The cost of the game, the salaries of the devs, the yachts of the CEOs; none of that is my concern as a player. It is incumbent on the game company and its staff to produce content for which I will pay. I don’t owe them anything, and neither do you.
If they are failing to produce acceptable content, that’s not my problem either. Don’t feel that you have to pour money into an enterprise that is poorly run and badly managed producing a substandard product. If someone approached you on the street and offered to sell you a horse for a mere $60 wit the caveat that the horse wasn’t real and you couldn’t get your money back. Would you buy it? Do you owe that person anything for imagining up a horse?
But maybe I have misjudged you. Perhaps you are the sort of person who legitimately wants to help others and are donating your money to Cryptic and PWE to help their devs and staff. If so then you are a good person and I wish you the very best. I might suggest a more worthy charity but I do understand the concept of baby steps. Keep that light in your heart.
Otherwise, I will sell you a ticket to see the suckers, step right thing way, into the tent where you will see a crowd of other people who bought the same ticket and nothing else.
Im not exaggerating at all, that is directly from the Feywild site. This just proves to me you have done no research on anything about the Feywild Packs or the Module itself, you just wish to complain.
And the Moon elf race is the only thing that isnt free in the expansion. How is that misleading?
If everything in the pack is free, except the moon elf, then where do I go to claim all this free content? Where do I get my free character slot, for instance?
When you buy a bag of potatoes, are you paying for just one potatoe in the bag or all of them?
If everything in the pack is free, except the moon elf, then where do I go to claim all this free content? Where do I get my free character slot, for instance?
When you buy a bag of potatoes, are you paying for just one potatoe in the bag or all of them?
Pack does not equal expansion. Why are you being so obviously stupid.
It wasnt just about the discussion about value though, it was also his need to tell people about the "Many other free games that offer so much more and you should all go play them" mentality.
Is it true or is it not true?
If it is not true then tell him why it is not true, show him where the flaw in the reasoning resides.
I will point out that it is against the RoC for the forums to discuss competing games. I think that the mods allow some latitude there in the spirit of discussion but it is not my intention to push that envelope and I would not suggest others do so either.
Yet why should this game be immune to competition? Thus far the only unique quality this game possess is the Neverwinter IP. That’s it. In every other describable way it falls short of the bar set by many other games. But it is the magic formula of an intellectual property that people recognize with a built in fan base that has kept the money rolling in.
I personally do not feel that the game, at this stage of development, deserves any of its revenue; certainly not compared to other games (some of which are no longer with us). I feel that a younger generation is being suckered into paying for vaporware and I want to encourage critical thinking at all junctures.
Some of that thinking might lead one to conclude that there are better ways to spend ones money and time. And to follow that further, one might also conclude that grinding this game against the reality that there are more polished and better run free games available at this very moment might just help improve this game far more that dumping another sixty dollars into another set of characters you wont have the slots to play.
Thats youre opinion. Im actually going to buy it. It offers more bang for the buck then the guardian pack. Its overall value actually gets better the more characters you have.
Please, for the sake of everyone's sanity, never use the terms "bang for buck" when what you are receiving is infinitely replicated digital content that in itself is half assed and underwhelming.
This game needs more classes, new pvp maps, actual end game raid content, and a whole **** load of graphical and functional bug fixes. The game does not need more scammy purchasable content that is made by sub par devs.
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$19.99...................
You farted again.
If you factor in the base game into the $60 then it doesn't seem as bad as when you consider that they have an expansion planned for every 2 months for a year, or two IIRC. Then, you have to wonder at what point is $60 per expansion too much money. 6 expansions at $59.99USD each is $359.94USD. I've had games last me for over a year for under $100, and I wasn't getting nickle and dimed every step of the way. I paid one price for all the content, not $20 for a mount, another $20 for a companion, another $5 for 2 character slots, etc. $20 for a figment of my imagination or $20 for something tangible? Hmmmmmmmm........
But you dont need to buy the new pack just because an expansion is released. Unless you really really really want the cosmetic items that are in the pack.
I guess youve not played many EA games. Where the moment you open the box and install you get hit with adds for new DLC for only a few bucks more. You know, stuff they could of put on the disk initially, but didnt.
So what is the issue? None of the packs are required to play the expansion. Play the game, and each time a new pack comes out (with expansion or not) look at it, and decide whether you want to pay the cost for what it contains. If, for you, the cost is not worth the contents, don't buy it, and see if the next one has better value.
This game could last you over a year for under $100. Buy what you want. Don't buy what you don't want.
I know, and I will not buy it. I'm doing what I already suggested to everyone else. I play a bunch of free to play games. I have more characters across all those games than I would in any one single game and I get more variety instead of having all my characters playing the same quests over and over again.
I've played too many EA games and I'm done with their grubby bull****. But, PWE is worse.
Ok, so why are you trying to push your views onto others? If they find enjoyment in the game then cool, if they find value in the cosmetic packs then cool. In the end you can play this game for a long time without spending a dime and still enjoying all of the content that the expansions provide.
How do I know if I like something if I don't play it first? I don't. I'm not going to risk $60 on a handful of content to find out if I like any of it when I can spend $60 on a lot more content and have a greater chance to find something that I like in the bigger pile.
Because your weak minds shall be mine. Join the darkside luke.
Good quote an all, but you keep bringing up spending $60 to play the expansion which isnt true at all. All of the expansion will be free minus the Moon Elf race. Thats it.
and it'll be mediocre and not live up to expectations at all. because Cryptic is a master of never delivering on hype/
This will depend on how many $60 packs they sell. If mediocre brings in the cash, there is really no business incentive to do anything outstanding. Artists care about their creations, business cares about their bottom line.
It's just the way it is.
$59.99 for a frikin moon elf?????
Every time they idiot-proof something...they make better idiots.
Actually there will be new foundry features, but they will be free for everyone.
Why is this such a difficult concept. They Fury of the Feywild Module is free and includes a lot of stuff in it. They Feywild Knight pack is just like the Guardian and HOTN packs in that they arent necessary to buy to play the game.
You know there is more in the pack then just that, stop being so obtuse.
Feywild Knight Package:
Unique Moon Elf Race
Unique Dawn Unicorn Mount
Unique Sylph Companion
Unique Moonsilver Regalia Fashion Set
600,000 Astral Diamonds
PWE Games Gift Package
And much more!
I think it might have been a rhetorical sentiment aimed at getting people to consider the value the product rather than simply obeying its stated price mindlessly.
I think a discussion of value is hardly pushing ones views on others unless you find the view so compelling as to be inescapable. And there is a good point about playing the game without paying but let us not forget that the game and its staff is actively working to corner you into paying somehow. Whether it is in dead-end mechanics that allow you to engage the game up to a point and then expect payment in some fashion like the enchantment system or psychological tricks to pressure you into buying things like the “look who got a horse” announcements you cannot escape or any of a host of other ways.
If you want to play the game for free you must do so despite the game itself. Many people have a reaction to that. May opinions here in this very thread are subtly informed by that reaction.
This is the saddest sort of debating position of all. The Stockholmed position that assumes you owe the company or the game some sort of monetary tithe just for existing or that you owe those that do pay because they provide the game to you is some fashion.
But that is not the way business works. It is up to the business to offer something the players want, something for which they will be willing to pay. The cost of the game, the salaries of the devs, the yachts of the CEOs; none of that is my concern as a player. It is incumbent on the game company and its staff to produce content for which I will pay. I don’t owe them anything, and neither do you.
If they are failing to produce acceptable content, that’s not my problem either. Don’t feel that you have to pour money into an enterprise that is poorly run and badly managed producing a substandard product. If someone approached you on the street and offered to sell you a horse for a mere $60 wit the caveat that the horse wasn’t real and you couldn’t get your money back. Would you buy it? Do you owe that person anything for imagining up a horse?
But maybe I have misjudged you. Perhaps you are the sort of person who legitimately wants to help others and are donating your money to Cryptic and PWE to help their devs and staff. If so then you are a good person and I wish you the very best. I might suggest a more worthy charity but I do understand the concept of baby steps. Keep that light in your heart.
Otherwise, I will sell you a ticket to see the suckers, step right thing way, into the tent where you will see a crowd of other people who bought the same ticket and nothing else.
Promised and delivered.
It wasnt just about the discussion about value though, it was also his need to tell people about the "Many other free games that offer so much more and you should all go play them" mentality.
For real, I don't plan on buying it but I'm not all up in whining about it. Just save your money.
I know. You claimed, "Good quote an all, but you keep bringing up spending $60 to play the expansion which isnt true at all. All of the expansion will be free minus the Moon Elf race. Thats it. " So, stop making misleading statements.
You're exagerating when you say that the pack includes "much more": Moonsilver Regalia Fashion Set, Loamweave Enchantment, Stone of Earth, Adventurer's Helper Pack, In-Game Title, Forum Title, 1 Extra Character Slot.
Im not exaggerating at all, that is directly from the Feywild site. This just proves to me you have done no research on anything about the Feywild Packs or the Module itself, you just wish to complain.
And the Moon elf race is the only thing that isnt free in the expansion. How is that misleading?
THIS! x100000.................
If everything in the pack is free, except the moon elf, then where do I go to claim all this free content? Where do I get my free character slot, for instance?
When you buy a bag of potatoes, are you paying for just one potatoe in the bag or all of them?
Pack does not equal expansion. Why are you being so obviously stupid.
Is it true or is it not true?
If it is not true then tell him why it is not true, show him where the flaw in the reasoning resides.
I will point out that it is against the RoC for the forums to discuss competing games. I think that the mods allow some latitude there in the spirit of discussion but it is not my intention to push that envelope and I would not suggest others do so either.
Yet why should this game be immune to competition? Thus far the only unique quality this game possess is the Neverwinter IP. That’s it. In every other describable way it falls short of the bar set by many other games. But it is the magic formula of an intellectual property that people recognize with a built in fan base that has kept the money rolling in.
I personally do not feel that the game, at this stage of development, deserves any of its revenue; certainly not compared to other games (some of which are no longer with us). I feel that a younger generation is being suckered into paying for vaporware and I want to encourage critical thinking at all junctures.
Some of that thinking might lead one to conclude that there are better ways to spend ones money and time. And to follow that further, one might also conclude that grinding this game against the reality that there are more polished and better run free games available at this very moment might just help improve this game far more that dumping another sixty dollars into another set of characters you wont have the slots to play.
Please, for the sake of everyone's sanity, never use the terms "bang for buck" when what you are receiving is infinitely replicated digital content that in itself is half assed and underwhelming.
This game needs more classes, new pvp maps, actual end game raid content, and a whole **** load of graphical and functional bug fixes. The game does not need more scammy purchasable content that is made by sub par devs.