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Re: Fighter roles...?
healhamsta
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 572 Bounty Hunter
Just curious hamster, why are GWFs superior tanks while GFs are superior damage dealers?
Instead of the other way around?
(.-.)
In PvE, GFs are limited by their guard bar which become less effective as there are more mobs.
Yet GWF simply become tankier with unstoppable & steel defense.
In terms of damage, Conq spec GFs do large amounts of damage while a Destro GWF does less & has to spend a significant amount of monies on gear in order to keep up.
Instead of the other way around?
(.-.)
In PvE, GFs are limited by their guard bar which become less effective as there are more mobs.
Yet GWF simply become tankier with unstoppable & steel defense.
In terms of damage, Conq spec GFs do large amounts of damage while a Destro GWF does less & has to spend a significant amount of monies on gear in order to keep up.
Delve loot murdered my TR, DC, & GWF. Nerf Plox:
ambisinisterr wrote: »I know that it sucks to no longer get gear to sell from the Dungeon Delve chest but it was truly overpowered.
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GWF's are not better tanks than GF. The measure of a tank is how well it holds aggro. GF win in that area. GWF cannot hold aggro off a TR or a CW who is using alot of CC powers. They can protect the DC rather well though. And I play Sentinal GWF 12k gear score with all the threat moves.
GF's damage is better than a GWF, I have a lv 60 Conquere spec GF. All of the GF's powers At-Will,s Encoutners and Dailies have higher base damage than a GWF. Yet the GFs Longswords have about 40% less damage than GWF Greatswords. So GF's in full tank gear still do okay damage and a GF that is focused purely on Damage is doing better than the GWF who does the same.
Both classes are very tough and have alot of options for really high defense gear. Both classes have the disadvantage of being a sitting duck when Gaurd or Unstopable is down. Yes GWF have sprint but they can't get by on sprint alone the need some defense in order to survive they cannot avoid hits like TR, DC and CW can.
Nothing shows that a GWF is a "superior" tank. IF anything they need to have a threat buff so they can tank better and be moreuseful in the group. A Sentinal GWF should have enough threat to keep a mob off a TR if they are both completely focused on a mob like a boss mob. When they do, then they can be compare to GF as a Tank. Not before.
I still think it's wrong though that a GF does more damage than the GWF, but maybe that's how Cryptic wanted it, I dunno. I haven't gotten my GF to 60 yet, so I don't know how difficult it is to pull off that triple-prone thing, but imo it's the most OP powerrotation in the game.
Cannot hold aggro
Deals less damage
Last man standing?
@farfig1337 aggro is only part of tanking. Survivability is also important to tanking. & I've seen GWFs tank 3+ rooms of epic mobs with no problem while GFs start dying after 2+ rooms.
& aye yerune kind of weird how Cryptic flipped the roles around. Also it's easy to pull off that rotation.
GF scale poorly with # of mobs.
Guard bar is limited
GF suffers movement penalty for guarding forcing GFs to take large hits, usually on their limited guard bar. (depleting it even faster)
GWF scales quite nicely with # of mobs.
Unstoppable is spammable.
Unstoppable fills faster with more mobs.
GWF can simply run in a circle during the downtime. (Causing "strong" attacks to simply miss as mobs have to stand still to use their strong attack. While determination fills easily from constant "weak" attacks.)
I never played a tank before in other games, so I'm not that locked in a pre-conceived role within the holy trinity. Tanking in NW isn't just standing firm and pressing a button to keep the monsters interested in you all the time.
The way I see it, the GWF runs around gathering and finishing mobs in coordination with the CW's.
The GF is better at peeling mobs off of CW's and DC's, while the TR keeps stabbing at the big targets (and pop in a smokebomb when the group gets overwhelmed)
And in that sense, the skills do match up nicely.
But then you hit PvP and most of the rules fly out the window