I just want to share a very sad experience I had during Dungeon Delves.
I joined a party going Frozen Heart through zone chat. I noticed all members are in the same guild. So, we went ahead and did it, finished the dungeon. Through the fight i died at Boss 50% HP and here's what happened. This guild kicked me out of party and did not get the chest....
OMG what happened? Then this person said things to me in a pm, and it was really offensive and hurtful. " you do not deserve it", " "you couldn't avoid red circles", "where did u get your gear? AH?" That's it. I fought for my gear, I spent time, waiting for DD, repeating and failing dungeons and what not. BTW my gears are just T1s nothing special, but i take pride in it because i was able to acquire it with hard work and perseverance. These runs could last up to 30 tiring minutes, come on man, why you do this?
I was in a shock of what happened. I never thought that a person could do such a thing. I tried to finish this dungeon several times and all ended in failure. It was the first time I finished the dungeon. I was happy because finally I achieved success with patience and perseverance to do it until you finish it. That feeling was taken away from me and I believe no one has the right to take that away from you and deprive you of what you deserve.
We kept chatting after the incident. He was still saying all kinds of things. I could have easily said "<edited>, but, I didn't. My mind was telling me to burst in anger, rage or do stuff to ruin his reputation and his guild. But still I didn't. I told him, "im not a bad person, im not some <edited> kid blah blah blah to deserve this kind of treatment".
You know who you are and Im not gonna put your name and your guilds name on this thread. Because even after what you did... I still forgive you, and I hope your conscience will forgive you too. I ask in return of what you did, is to not do it again to other players, give them what is their's and not deprive them of it.
For others out there, if you think your good, like what they say "pro". Please avoid doing this kinds of things. If someone is having a hard time, teach them, support them. But never take away the effort they spent. No one, i repeat no one has the right to do this to another person.
I know these kinds of things happen, and i've experienced it in some other games, like being ninja'd of your item. I just wanted to tell what i felt. Maybe release the anger all pent up inside me, which i gladly didn't use. Things like these really takes out the energy to continue playing this game. I hope i still have this energy to continue playing it. I like the game it's fun, but, bad things are out there. I just hope no ones experiences this.
Please excuse my long writing. Thanks for reading.
Yes this sucks. There's an option to choose which instance you join when you zone, if you turn that on then at least you will get a chance to loot the DD chest, but you won't get to roll on the boss loot, if any. It's really annoying and spams you constantly, but at least you get your chest.
They need to make it so you do NOT leave the zone immediately if you leave or are kicked out of a group.
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bioshrikeMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,729Arc User
edited July 2013
I would have copied the messages and sent them as part of a GM ticket.
The truth of the matter is that they need to eliminate the "leader" roll while in a PUG, (even if it's only part of the team). There are other accounts of leaders kicking people just after the boss is defeated, so they can hog the drops. People will be a-holes if they know there will be no repercussions for doing so.
I'm sorry you had a bad experience.
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I'm sorry you had such a <edited> experience. Sadly you would not be able to blast this person's name even if you wanted to because they have strict policies that could get you banned for naming and shaming. Perhaps notify the head person of the Guild of this? Not to sure what else can be done.
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iircMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 22Arc User
edited July 2013
A guild full of <bleeped> eh, well on the brightside you know not to group up with those people.
*sigh* nothing can be done. I do not wish to name or shame, as it is against my morals to do something like that. Im a mature person, so i won't like do something to get back at them for what they did. I appreciate your replies, it makes me feel a little bit better.
Those were some <<bleeped>> u ran with. I usualy run a guild group but sometime we have to pug 1 player. Even if the guy was performing badly I will let him roll on the boss loot and get his chest but wont take him on the next run.
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Wow , I really feel for you , makes me wonder the type of person these people are in real life , I'd guess they are the typical kind of sociopath you find doing this kind of thing on most MMO's to make themselves feel better about their bleak hollow real world living in mom's basement / 30 year old virgin existence ...
And here I thought my own experiences were bad. More than once in this game (and a lot of times i WoW) the party complained if I "needed" on something, and it was something I could actually use (I pass on items I CAN'T use). And now it's at a point that if I join a group at all that I pass on everything. Too bad the game won't let me some dungeons unless I loot the last chest first (and even THAT got complaints from other party members).
Gotta be careful with what guilds you choose to join. I think the last WoW guild I joined advertised "fun at your own pace and at your own time", but upon joining I get a raid schedule thrown on my lap...
If you want to try the solo route there's always the Foundry quests. And if you want you can go make your own too. I suggest "Tired of Being the Hero" if you're annoyed with parties. Throwing the mage off the cliff into the lava is always fun for me. >:-)
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I was in a guild and was struggling as a DC. I kept getting killed by hordes of adds. It seemed like I was constantly running away and not having much time to cast stuff. I did a few dungeons with the guild, and we made it through them, but it always cost me several gold just to make it through.
After a run with the guild leader through a t2 dungeon they told me I would not be asked back to t2 again. They said I was a bad cleric and needed to respec or get better gear or whatever. Well I ended up just politely thanking them for giving me a chance, but I was trying my best, and if that was not enough then I must have skill issues and felt it better to leave the guild and join one that did lower tier stuff so I could get better.
I joined another guild and what's the first dungeon we did together? The exact same dungeon I did with my old group when they restricted me from t2. I told my new guild what happened with my old guild, and they said since it was just a preclear they would try me out till the first boss.
20 minutes later we were sitting at the final boss waiting for the DD to start. It took me 1 wipe to get down the strat, and then we succeeded......that run and the next 2 (same dungeon). After the dd was over I asked my new guild what I could improve on. They said.......nothing.
What I am trying to convey here, is that if you are ever told you are a bad player by a guild, or a group of people, make sure it is you and not them
What a bunch of muppets, the whole thing with the guild is supposed to be helping the new people skill up and gear up if necessary, which helps the guild in the end, oh and maybe have some fun as you go.
Unfortunately that's the reality of an internet game. There are rotten apples everywhere. Don't let it spoil the basket. Just chalk it up to one bad experience. That's why it's good to run with your guild. IMHO my experience running pugs are mixed. I've met some really good people and some <edited>, it's just a fact of life that some people are <<edited>> induced by the anonymity of the internet. I'm sure they are good people in real life.. maybe.
You know when my guild runs and we have to pug out the last spot, that pugger is treated better than a king. We bend over backwards to make it just as enjoyable for them as for us since it is our rep on the line. At least you know who not to run with. GL
This is one of the suckiest things ive heard for a while:(
It happened to me a while back with some ****** not even giving a reason for it, just a kick right at the end for nothing.
I wish I had the restraint you did in your convo with him but alas im addicted to rageahol
Also had someone shout in chat to kick me from PvP because he thought I was a bot, when in fact I was stationary because I was recording a bot..lol
Anyways, sorry to hear this man and better luck to you next time avoiding the creeps
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In the 2 months or whatever I have played I have met maybe 4 people who acted like humans ... a pretty dismal community so far really. I have been asked to join about 50000 guilds. NOT A SINGLE ONE has met the very simple requirement that I have for doing so: they have to actually PM me once first to see if I want to join and if they might be into the things I like to do. That is it... all they have to do is speak to me and not be a pvp only guild. NOT A ONE. One person did bother to rez me after I took a particularly nasty alchemy experiment in town (and still died even with that healing). Met some nice ppl on the forums but in game, they seem to have gone into hiding.
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krahctMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
You know when my guild runs and we have to pug out the last spot, that pugger is treated better than a king. We bend over backwards to make it just as enjoyable for them as for us since it is our rep on the line. At least you know who not to run with. GL
I love guilds like that, I respect guilds like that, I wish more human beings formed guilds like that...KUDOS and keep it up. Thx
To the OP, sorry to hear about your bad experience. Unfortunately many of this new generation of gamers are angry and mean, they take it out on strangers it's a strange world. I even find myself getting sucked into it and have to check myself. Although, in game, I tend to be overly nice to people needing guidance or help, I'm the guy responding to questions in a chat with PMs cause I hate not knowing if that person was helped.
Like one other wise poster stated above, don't let this one bad experience change you. Keep your eye open for a guild like cnynridr2's, they're out there and they're cool to play with. I know I had played with a guild like that in WoW for four years. It makes all the difference in the world on how you'll experience the game too.
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Yah it sucks, happened to me before and i got booted at boss.
Best thing you can do is adding them on ignore list and your problems will disappear.
Believe me you will meet worse people, welcome to the internet.
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relnoMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 10Arc User
edited July 2013
@OP: Welcome to the real world, 30min is very cheap for such a valuable lesson, though it seems as if you didnt get it ("I still forgive you"). With that reaction, you are the fuel that keeps those behaviors going, and cheap fuel gets burned fast and repeatedly. Of course forum rules sanction that behavior by not allowing naming and shaming.
Again, welcome to the real world, working as intended.
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krahctMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
@OP: Welcome to the real world, 30min is very cheap for such a valuable lesson, though it seems as if you didnt get it ("I still forgive you"). With that reaction, you are the fuel that keeps those behaviors going, and cheap fuel gets burned fast and repeatedly. Of course forum rules sanction that behavior by not allowing naming and shaming.
Again, welcome to the real world, working as intended.
you sound like me; jaded and cynical
"I never make mistakes, I once thought I did but I was wrong"
@OP: Welcome to the real world, 30min is very cheap for such a valuable lesson, though it seems as if you didnt get it ("I still forgive you"). With that reaction, you are the fuel that keeps those behaviors going, and cheap fuel gets burned fast and repeatedly. Of course forum rules sanction that behavior by not allowing naming and shaming.
Again, welcome to the real world, working as intended.
Hi and I appreciate your opinion.
For me, about the forgiving part, its not about tolerating these kinds of behavior. I felt to react in a way that a mature person would do. Its me keeping my maturity level in check and just forgive the person who does this, in hopes that sometime he can reflect to what he did, and in turn, he himself will learn a valuable lesson about morality.
* i forgot to put in my earlier post * i was tired and frustrated
- after a few few minutes in chat, with the guy, telling him some stuff about the incident, explaining things to him in a proper manner. At the end, he actually apologized, "sorry man. i didn't intend to hurt your feelings", "if its really important to you, you could join the next run". I didn't go, i would be a hypocrite if i said i wasn't mad. But these thoughts, these words, tells me to never give up on a person. Give him another shot to right his wrong.
You may have bad experiences as well, but its ok, as long as your as your doing the right thing. Keeping your integrity.
- To the people that said, to chalk it up, get back at it, don't let this ruin you. (i forgot the exact words) Thank you and I will give it a chance. I will also try to play with the same level of enthusiasm that I had, sigh, but with a constant fear and reminder of this incident.
@OP, I'd report that if you saved the information. If not, and anything similar happens again, then I suggest taking screenshots/video/copy/past, names, etc.
Definitely not cool what happened, hope you never experience that again!
Isn't the odd man always the party leader? I have joined and run very many dungeons where 4 of us guildies added a 5th PUGer, and that player is always party leader no matter what, so how did they kick you? You could have hit Return to Instance as was pointed out.
This sort of thing is main reason I don't run dungeons in NW.Love the game and when I hit 60 end up rolling another Char. Really cant be bothered with all this elitism in games the days. Folk demanding EXP and gearscores. Nobody seems to want to help train people skills or explain tactics as If folk should be born knowing shortcuts and tactics.
This is 1st game if heard of folk kicking before end of dungeon and really upsets me to hear this happen to people just trying have a bit of fun playing mmo.
Someone needs to make a nameandshame.com website and expose these rotten guilds/players in all there glory. Would help in choosing guilds and maybe people would realise there could be consequences of acting like a idiot.
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drquinchMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 26Arc User
edited July 2013
If I go down in the final boss fight and the rest of the group manages to go on and defeat it I do feel "honourbound" to pass on the boss loot (the chest rewards are enough). I take each time I go down as a learning point and try to adjust the strategy for the next fight. Whats going wrong with PUGs is the lack of communication, no-one explains the fight to non guildies (for even asks if the non guild player has attempted the boss before). With Guild vs Non Guild the blame lies with voice comms (Guilds seem to prefer to keep the voice comms private), no-one uses the chat box any more (a fault with most MMOs not just in NW).
To the OP a healer is probably the hardest class to play AND the most important (eg a DPS can go down and you can still win the fight, healer down makes it a LOT more difficult). Having played a lot of healers, players totally forget the adds and assume someone else is on it. As a GF I'm quite often trying to hold aggro with the Boss AND trying to grab aggro from the adds on the healer (which makes my job almost impossible. To my mind if the boss goes down BEFORE the adds, then its was a bad fight/tactics from DPS players. Kicking from a dungeon after the boss goes down is a slimey trick and almost sonds like its bordering on an infringement of the EULA. Best thing to do is submit a ticket, give the GMs the info and let them act on it (if its a repeated pattern, then they probably should).
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juliusmalemaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 11Arc User
For others out there, if you think your good, like what they say "pro".
To the OP, that truly sucks It is one of the reasons I quit this game, but I visit forums in the hope that things have changed, but it seems is still the same game with same issues.
Anyway, if these guys referred to themselves as "pro", well...I don't know if I should laugh or cry, as it is rather sad to say you are "pro" in a computer game. All that says is "We are sad and have no real life friends outside this terrible game"
What I would add is now players gradually put video boss guides up on internet.
You can watch them before going to dung.
And what you can do is say that you are first time in a dungeon or never killed last boss and just need to clear tacs or get used to it.
Anyway better find a normal guild
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They need to make it so you do NOT leave the zone immediately if you leave or are kicked out of a group.
The truth of the matter is that they need to eliminate the "leader" roll while in a PUG, (even if it's only part of the team). There are other accounts of leaders kicking people just after the boss is defeated, so they can hog the drops. People will be a-holes if they know there will be no repercussions for doing so.
I'm sorry you had a bad experience.
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Gotta be careful with what guilds you choose to join. I think the last WoW guild I joined advertised "fun at your own pace and at your own time", but upon joining I get a raid schedule thrown on my lap...
If you want to try the solo route there's always the Foundry quests. And if you want you can go make your own too. I suggest "Tired of Being the Hero" if you're annoyed with parties. Throwing the mage off the cliff into the lava is always fun for me. >:-)
"Hah! You are doomed! You're only armed with that pathetic excuse for a musical instrument!!!" *the Savage Beast moments before Lonnehart the Bard used music to soothe him... then beat him to death with his Fat Lute*
After a run with the guild leader through a t2 dungeon they told me I would not be asked back to t2 again. They said I was a bad cleric and needed to respec or get better gear or whatever. Well I ended up just politely thanking them for giving me a chance, but I was trying my best, and if that was not enough then I must have skill issues and felt it better to leave the guild and join one that did lower tier stuff so I could get better.
I joined another guild and what's the first dungeon we did together? The exact same dungeon I did with my old group when they restricted me from t2. I told my new guild what happened with my old guild, and they said since it was just a preclear they would try me out till the first boss.
20 minutes later we were sitting at the final boss waiting for the DD to start. It took me 1 wipe to get down the strat, and then we succeeded......that run and the next 2 (same dungeon). After the dd was over I asked my new guild what I could improve on. They said.......nothing.
What I am trying to convey here, is that if you are ever told you are a bad player by a guild, or a group of people, make sure it is you and not them
Shoulda set Boo on 'em!
It happened to me a while back with some ****** not even giving a reason for it, just a kick right at the end for nothing.
I wish I had the restraint you did in your convo with him but alas im addicted to rageahol
Also had someone shout in chat to kick me from PvP because he thought I was a bot, when in fact I was stationary because I was recording a bot..lol
Anyways, sorry to hear this man and better luck to you next time avoiding the creeps
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I love guilds like that, I respect guilds like that, I wish more human beings formed guilds like that...KUDOS and keep it up. Thx
To the OP, sorry to hear about your bad experience. Unfortunately many of this new generation of gamers are angry and mean, they take it out on strangers it's a strange world. I even find myself getting sucked into it and have to check myself. Although, in game, I tend to be overly nice to people needing guidance or help, I'm the guy responding to questions in a chat with PMs cause I hate not knowing if that person was helped.
Like one other wise poster stated above, don't let this one bad experience change you. Keep your eye open for a guild like cnynridr2's, they're out there and they're cool to play with. I know I had played with a guild like that in WoW for four years. It makes all the difference in the world on how you'll experience the game too.
Best thing you can do is adding them on ignore list and your problems will disappear.
Believe me you will meet worse people, welcome to the internet.
Again, welcome to the real world, working as intended.
you sound like me; jaded and cynical
That kind of anti-social behavior is being reinforced by the devs for failing to address the issue that has been going on for months now.
Hi and I appreciate your opinion.
For me, about the forgiving part, its not about tolerating these kinds of behavior. I felt to react in a way that a mature person would do. Its me keeping my maturity level in check and just forgive the person who does this, in hopes that sometime he can reflect to what he did, and in turn, he himself will learn a valuable lesson about morality.
* i forgot to put in my earlier post * i was tired and frustrated
- after a few few minutes in chat, with the guy, telling him some stuff about the incident, explaining things to him in a proper manner. At the end, he actually apologized, "sorry man. i didn't intend to hurt your feelings", "if its really important to you, you could join the next run". I didn't go, i would be a hypocrite if i said i wasn't mad. But these thoughts, these words, tells me to never give up on a person. Give him another shot to right his wrong.
You may have bad experiences as well, but its ok, as long as your as your doing the right thing. Keeping your integrity.
- To the people that said, to chalk it up, get back at it, don't let this ruin you. (i forgot the exact words) Thank you and I will give it a chance. I will also try to play with the same level of enthusiasm that I had, sigh, but with a constant fear and reminder of this incident.
Definitely not cool what happened, hope you never experience that again!
This is 1st game if heard of folk kicking before end of dungeon and really upsets me to hear this happen to people just trying have a bit of fun playing mmo.
Someone needs to make a nameandshame.com website and expose these rotten guilds/players in all there glory. Would help in choosing guilds and maybe people would realise there could be consequences of acting like a idiot.
To the OP a healer is probably the hardest class to play AND the most important (eg a DPS can go down and you can still win the fight, healer down makes it a LOT more difficult). Having played a lot of healers, players totally forget the adds and assume someone else is on it. As a GF I'm quite often trying to hold aggro with the Boss AND trying to grab aggro from the adds on the healer (which makes my job almost impossible. To my mind if the boss goes down BEFORE the adds, then its was a bad fight/tactics from DPS players. Kicking from a dungeon after the boss goes down is a slimey trick and almost sonds like its bordering on an infringement of the EULA. Best thing to do is submit a ticket, give the GMs the info and let them act on it (if its a repeated pattern, then they probably should).
To the OP, that truly sucks It is one of the reasons I quit this game, but I visit forums in the hope that things have changed, but it seems is still the same game with same issues.
Anyway, if these guys referred to themselves as "pro", well...I don't know if I should laugh or cry, as it is rather sad to say you are "pro" in a computer game. All that says is "We are sad and have no real life friends outside this terrible game"
You can watch them before going to dung.
And what you can do is say that you are first time in a dungeon or never killed last boss and just need to clear tacs or get used to it.
Anyway better find a normal guild