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pizzamurai
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The answer is NOT nerfing exp. All nerfing exp is going to cause is a massive grind. Nerfing exp forces people to do things they do not want to do. If someone wants to quest to 60, they can do that. If someone wants to pvp or dungeon their way to 60, they can also do that. The problem, currently is that people cannot do all of those things on one character without outleveling either quests or dungeons.
OH MY GOD NERF EX-..NO! Stop it, down boy!
So what, then, is the answer, you ask? Either level scaling, or sidekicking. I prefer sidekicking, as it would allow everyone to do whatever they wanted at any level without forcong their problems on other people (endgame aside since lowbies would obviously not have the required gearscore.).
Embrace the sidekicking movement, and please stop trying to delude yourselves into thinking an exp nerf would turn this game into anything but a grindfest.
OH MY GOD NERF EX-..NO! Stop it, down boy!
So what, then, is the answer, you ask? Either level scaling, or sidekicking. I prefer sidekicking, as it would allow everyone to do whatever they wanted at any level without forcong their problems on other people (endgame aside since lowbies would obviously not have the required gearscore.).
Embrace the sidekicking movement, and please stop trying to delude yourselves into thinking an exp nerf would turn this game into anything but a grindfest.
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Wrong. I am telling you an exp nerf will throw off the entire balance of the game pertaining to leveling. With sidekicking, level is NEVER an issue, as a level 10 could join a 50 dungeon and be mildly competitive. A level 50 could join the queue for blacklake terror and be scaled all the way down to that level to experience it without being able to faceroll or ruin everyone elses exp.
Sidekicking is the best of both worlds, and the only solution without creating several more questing zones for each level bracket and there are literally no true downsides.
Are you honestly arguing against people choosing what they want to do?
Also, what is the point in seeking out a nice piece of gear, when you where for an hour or two tops ?
I'd at least like the option to turn off xp. I'm 55, and still have 3 areas to do, I will prob be 60 before leaving my current area. And I just stopped playing because I want to see this levels skirmish before I out level it.
What is the current state of accessibility to other toons of different levels? I remember in CoH it was amazing, you could group with almost anyone of any level. It was effortless to get groups and then dissolve them and move on to the next group.
In truth I don’t think Cryptic was even at the reigns when all that went into effect for CoH but they will be haunted by the good design of their previous game until the last old hero fades from the pages.
Everything else is entirely level locked.
I fully support level-matching. The only issue I had with it in CoH was that there was still a very strong disparty across certain level brackets due to strange limitations on the game's "gear," but I'm not sure if those limitations would translate to this game.
That said, I also fully support an optional means of slowing or stopping one's own xp gain (as opposed to a general xp nerf, which I think is a bad idea). I find it remarkably useful in games that have it, especially those focused on story, and it seems like it would co-exist very smoothly with level-matching.
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For me, it only partially helps me do what I want to do. I want to get to know an area, learn what path goes where and the general map, exploring to find new nooks and cranies, getting to build a general feel of the area, its ambience and vistas, and the NPC's inhabiting it, not just breeze through it in a an hour or two of gameplay before I got to know the area. I struggle to remember what most of the zones were like now. I want to enjoy the journey on the way to 60 and spend more time in that journey.
The side kicking would help with the pain of not being able to do some skirmishes or the feeling that I couldn't do foundry missions (which I really enjoy) or I'd overlevel everything.
I'd prefer to offer a rested XP bonus for people who have less time and wish to "rush" to max level to play the end game content.
What happened to you Cryptic? How did you get so far away from the advances you yourself made?
They want the game to be like D&D (granted it's 4th edition) then give us the choice of xp gains. it'll satisfy those who want the fast leveling and those who want the slower grind and enjoy the story arc and let us appreciate the art and work thats put into each zone.
I concur with the OP: the problem is the level-caps on quests and what not. I haven't experienced running into that cap myself, but I am seeing threads in these forums from people who have, and I don't mean part-based stuff or skirmishes. But rather the basic solo-based, story-driven general content stuff.
I think there are some serious balance issues with some of these (solo-based) end-bosses that cause me to want to level up higher than "normal" - but I fear for reaching that cap. As for leveling progression speed as it is right now: I thinks it's perfectly fine on the scaling curve it's on right now: each level takes (approximately) twice as long to reach as the level before it, etc.
As for my alts, they need to find a way to slow leveling. Invocation that I can do every hour should not be giving me enough xp to level. In fact I would like to see XP gone from invocation all together. As for PVP, I would love to be able to turn off XP entirely from this part of the game.
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Yes, it will. What you do not understand is that an exp nerf hitting across the board will require one of two things to happen.
1 people are forced to do things they may not want to do in either pvp, foundry, dungeons, or skirmishes
2 more quests will have to be added along the way so people are not underleveled going into the next zones.
Either way, nerfing exp would majorly screw up the flow this game currently has without balancing that out with more quests which I seriously doubt is going to happen any time in the near future aside from the high level end.
You seriously need to consider the ramifications of the things you say. If leveling took ten... even five times longer, most people would give up before ever making it out of blacklake with the rediculous amount of grinding they would have to do.
This is incorrect on both accounts. The key word in your claim is "forces" - no one would be forced to do anything they did not want to do. There is enough Xp in this game in QUESTS ALONE where I did not complete half the quests in each zone and was able to level, NP.
I understand the issue perfectly, and have already considered the ramifications of what I say. I also am an MMO and PnP vet who understands what REAL GRIND is - and it is not found in this game.
As far as your comment on FORCING people to do what they dont want to do, none of the XP options are limited. People can PVP all they want, and there is not a limited source of PVP XP. People can foundry all they want - there is no limit on Foundry XP. People can quest all they want - there is no limit on quest XP that would cause someone to need to do something else. Before you start telling others they need to understand the ramifications of what they say, I think you need to take your own advice.
If Im wrong, please point out to me where XP is limited in this game. Show me how someone who wants to PVP their way to 60 would be forced to do something else other than PVP is XP were slowed down a bit.
You have to remember that most players skip quests yet still 'expect' to hit max level from those quests which they do and then rage quit when they can't get past a boss too high for them.
NW lets everyone gets to max level :-)
I am speaking from a purely questing perspective. Yes, people who want to dungeon, pvp, or foundry their way to 60 could indeed still do so. Albeit, significantly more dungeon runs for each level... causing massive burnout from the selection available( at which point you tell them they will be doing those exact same dungeons at 60 if they want any truly challenging content). Foundry levelers are not affected at all, if they play solo. Pvpers would also not be affected unless they wanted to rush to a specific level bracket
Questers get shafted. I wholeheartedly disagree with your asssessment that there are such a wealth of quests that you could outlevel the content. My first toon I leveled purely through questing, every single quest available aside from the dungeon and skirmish ones, and by the time I was 25 or so I was 2 levels below my current zone and had no choice but to use some foundry quests to catch up.
Yes, when I hit 60 there was plenty more content to do at 59-60 but I fail to see how that equates to leveling too quickly when every zone below my level was full completed. A straight exp nerf is NOT the answer.
A seriously low number of quests per zone (and in kind, seriously tiny zones) are more of a culprit to fast leveling than too much exp is.
Are we playing the same game!?
Ok getting back to work.... have fun defending that one!!
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Im speaking from experience. I havent run half the quest content on multiple toons that have already outleveled that content.
On my second toon I made sure to run the stuff I did not run on my first character, having to ignore alot of the zones I played on my first character to do so, just so that I could experience the content I missed the first time.
The issue you are likely experiencing is that many of the quests are in a linear fashion from each NPC. There might be 5 NPCs in a zone that give quests, but 30-50 quests or more in that zone, because you have to do the first quest and turn it in to get the next 2 then do those 2 to get the next 3 or 4 etc....
I usually get done with 2 entire quest lines before they want to send me to another zone already because I over leveled the one I am in. On my second toon I made sure to do the quest lines from different NPCs I did not talk to the first time around simply so that I could see all of the content. I have not had to overlap much yet, which tells me theres at least 2x the amount of Xpneeded per zone questing alone to outlevel the zone.