[Build Guide]: "INT Rogue" Perma-Stealth Build

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• x3lade Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 184 Bounty Hunter

  June 2013 edited June 2013

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  Powers
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  Main Powers Setup:
  
  
  
  Powers
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  Description
  
  
  

  Bait and Switch
  
  

  
  Jump backwards, dropping a decoy in your place. Any enemies can attack the decoy instead of you. Gain Action Points when the decoy is hit by an enemy.
  
  Stealth Effect: Refills your stealth bar.
  
  Tips & Tricks

  1. Use it as a gap closer (to get closer to target). When chasing an enemy you can quickly turn your camera around then user Bait and Switch which will roll you backwards towards your intended target.
  2. Vice versa, you can use it as a way to get away from the target. Some enemies skills have a really slow animation speed (Dazing Strike for example), instead of using your dodge roll you can use Bait and Switch instead which will put you in a safer position and grant you Action Points as the enemy hits the decoy instead.
  3. Use it as a shield! I swear this Bait and Switch is truly amazing when used correctly. For starters, you can drop it right in front of an enemy that is hitting your allies, by dropping it in front of the enemy or in front of the ally taking ranged hits, the decoy will soak up the damage instead, additionally granting you more Action Points.
  4. Take advantage of the terrain. If your above a ramp while the enemy is below it, it will make the enemies harder to hit you with the decoy in front of you because of it's elevation. You can hug a wall or corner and position it in front to act as a shield, just think of the location.

  
  
  
  
  
  

  Shadow Strike
  
  

  
  Strike your target from a medium range and fill your Stealth bar.
  
  Stealth Effect: Dazes target for a short duration, and does not remove Stealth.
  
  Tips & Tricks

  1. There is about a second delay before refilling your stealth because the animation speed is slow. Take that to consideration and get the timing right to refill stealth right on time before it runs out, if you want to never be seen.
  2. Just before stealth runs out, you can use Impact Shot which will not use up a charge and stuns the target. Then use Shadow Strike to refill stealth and get back in stealth. However, I'll only recommend doing this in a 1v1 situation, in a 1v2(or more) you will want to play more defensive, staying in stealth and never be seen.
  3. If you want to never be seen, use Shadow Strike just before stealth ends (with correct timing because the animation is slow). When doing so I recommend being prepared to attack in melee distance, you can get about two or three hits before having to dodge roll out to a safer distances and I highly recommend dodging because enemies can get a quick and slight glimpse of your whereabouts. Because of Shadow Strike's daze effect, you should be safe during that time to get extra hits on the target, however I'd be most cautious of the Great Weapon Fighter because of can be immune to daze.

  
  
  
  

  Impact Shot
  
  

  
  Attack your opponent from a medium range, Pushing them slightly. This skill has 3 encounter charges.
  
  Stealth Effect: Briefly Stuns the target, and cost no charges.
  
  Tips & Tricks

  1. Use it right before stealth ends for a stun and will not consume a charge. However I would only recommend doing this when the target is low on health, when you have Shadow Strike off Cool Down, and in a one on one situation. Only on those settings you should use Impact Shot while in stealth.
  2. If you must, you can use Impact Shot as a way to knock people off their mounts.
  3. With Lurker's Assault (Daily Power), you'll see some high damage from this, additionally you can chain stun a target by spamming Impact Shot.

  
  
  
  

  Sly Flourish

  
  Use Sly Flourish because the attack speed is quick, timing is crucial for this build so you don't want to be late on refilling your Stealth. Getting close to your opponent is dangerous however so I recommend only attacking in melee distance if the target is Stunned, Prone, CC'd, or Dazed. In combination of a Stealth attack of Lashing Blade, you can get about two or three hits on the target before having to dodge away.
  
  
  

  Cloud of Steel

  
  Cloud of Steel has a total of 12 charges, using Cloud of Steel one after another will increase it's damage. A stealth attack and unleashing a barrage of Cloud of Steel deals a lot of damage, it's what you would want to do to initiate onto the target, however depending on which enchantment you decide to chose will determine how you would want to use Cloud of Steel.
  
  Bilethorn: Use all Charges if using Bilethorn.
  Flaming: Use three until stacks of Flaming is off the target.
  
  
  
  
  Alternate Power Setup:
  Switch it out to be most effective when dealing with Clerics or Guardian Fighters
  
  Switch Impact Shot for Path of the Blade, this pretty much eats away on Clerics and Guardian Fighters. Use it and go back into stealth, the Path of Blade effects will still be active and what's better is that they can't see where you are, but still keep a distance from Crit focused/Stun locking Guardian Fighters. If your up against a Cleric, I wouldn't worry too much.
  
  Switch Sly Flourish for Duelist's Flurry, this will help your DPS immensely. However pay a lot of attention on your stealth as Duelist's Flurry does take quite sometime to wind up. When fighting against a Guardian Fighter, you'll need to prime it at a relative distance of the target, don't just run up and spam Duelist's Flurry in hope to get the 3rd chain off, that's way to dangerous. Instead, keep a distance safe enough that they can't see you and close enough to get the 3rd chain on time. You can attack, run up a little then attack again, this will ready your 3rd attack and you'll need to use it asap before the attack restarts to it's first attack.
  
  Daily Powers
  
  Standard Dailies:
  Lurker's Assault - You will always on Lurker's Assault on your skill bar, it's viable in multiple situations... to hold an enemy capture point, to kill "squishy" targets (Control Wizard and Trickster Rogue). If your stealth is running low and your "Bait and Switch" and "Shadow Strike" is still on cool down and wont make it on time, you will want to use Lurker's Assault.
  
  Shocking Execution - This is a very nice finisher, able to hit for 18-30K. I recommend using this on "tanky" targets such as Clerics and Guardian Fighters. Keep in mind that using a daily will refill your stealth, so you can kill a target with 30K execution damage and remain in stealth.
  
  Point Holding - Passive on Enemies captured area:
  If your objective is to hold the enemies captured area as long as you can, I recommend switching Shocking Execution with Bloodbath. However you will be using Lurker's Assault to maintain stealth if needed. Bloodbath is used as an "Oh Sh*t! button", if your dealing with more then 3 enemies that are AoEing the area, you will get hit and eventually found, stunned, cc'd and killed. All you need to do is spam Bloodbath and hope that it actives in time; dashing around the area giving you time for CD's to go off and additionally refilling your stealth.
  
  Passive Powers
  
  
  Invisible Infiltrator, it's a no brainer why you need this. After using a daily it refills your Stealth meter and grants a 5% damage bonus for 5 seconds.
  
  Skillful Infiltrator increase your Run Speed by 15%, Increase Deflection and Critical Strike chance by 3%.
  
  *In competitive PvP, premade vs premade. Swap Skullful Infiltrator for Sneak Attack*
  Sneak Attack increase your Run Speed by 30% while Stealthed. Since you will be in stealth 100% of the time, you'll always get the bonus movement. This is huge because you need to able to avoid AoE and random attacks. Getting hit once will reduce your Stealth Meter and end up <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> your timing for CD's.
  
  

  

  
  This is for leveling in PvP
  
  At low levels, you'll want to use:
  
  Sly Flourish
  Cloud of Steel
  Deft Strike
  Lashing Blade
  Dazing Strike
  Lurker's Assault
  Bloodbath
  Sneak Attack
  First Strike
  
  Switch out Dazing Strike for Bait and Switch when you reach the level
  
  Switch out First Strike for Tactics when you reach the level
  
  (you'll get a lot of action points from Bait and Switch combined with Tactics, meaning you'll use your daily power for frequently)
  
  You can switch out Sly Flourish for Duelist's Flurry,
  at lower levels other players don't do as much damage to be considered much of a threat. If you do get focused on, you can use Bait and Switch to roll back, then dodge roll out to a safer distance.
  
  Switch out Lashing Blade for Impact Shot when you reach the level
  
  Switch out Deft Strike for Shadow Strike when you reach the level
  Now you can somewhat create the Perma-Stealth, for the rotation you will want to start off like this:

  1. In Stealth
  2. Shadow Strike
  3. Bait and Switch
  4. Shadow Strike

  
  After that, your Bait and Switch wont make it on time to continue the rotation (at higher level with 30% recharge, you'll start with Bait and Switch instead of Shadow Strike)
  
  Switch out Bloodbath for Shocking Execution when you reach the level
  
  Switch out Tactics for Invisible Infiltrator when you reach the level
  (Max out Shocking Execution first, but you'll need at least one point into Invisible Infiltrator for the stealth refill)

  

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• x3lade Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 184 Bounty Hunter

  June 2013 edited June 2013

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  Feats
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  Heroic Feats

  
  
  
  
  
  

  Tier I

  
  

  Tier II

  
  

  Tier III

  
  

  Tier IV

  
  
  
  

  Toughness
  Increases your maximum health by 3/6/9%.
  
  *This will help push your health pool well over 27K additionally it will increase your Tenebrous Damage.
  
  Weapon Mastery
  1/2/3% greater chance to land a critical hit.
  
  *Putting 3 Feat points in to Weapon Mastery is good, you'll need some critical strike to help your DPS.

  
  

  Swift Footwork
  Your Stamina regenerates 2/4/6/8/10% faster
  
  *The more Stamina Regeneration means more Dodge Rolls which will help you avoid AoE and other forms of attacks.

  
  

  Twilight Adept
  Restores 2/4/6/8/10% of your Stealth Meter when you Dodge Roll.
  
  *This is must have, because you will have a high amount of Stamina Regeneration, you can preform more Dodge Rolls which will restore your Stealth Meter, keeping stealth up long enough for your Encounter skills to go off Cool Down to refill Stealth.

  
  
  Improved Cunning Sneak
  Your Stealth lasts 4/8/12/16/20% longer
  
  *In combination with the Battlefield set, you gain +45% longer Stealth! This is also a must have as to keep you in stealth as long as possible.
  
  
  Scoundrel Training (Bonus Human Feats)
  Your At-Wills deal 3/6/9% more damage to foes not targeting you.
  
  *As a Human, you gain 3 extra Feat points. You will want to put them in Scoundrel Training considering that your main form of attacks is your At-Wills, and increasing it to 9% more damage to foes not targeting you, when in stealth their definitely not targeting you xD
  
  
  
  
  
  

  Paragon Feats (Executioner)

  
  
  
  
  
  

  Tier I

  
  

  Tier II

  
  

  Tier III

  
  

  Tier V

  
  
  
  Dazzling Blades
  Your At-Will powers have a 1/2/3/4/5% chance to reduce the cooldown on recharging Encounter powers by 1 second.
  
  *Because of you have enough recharge speed for your encounters, this is just a bonus so you can use your encounters sooner if you have to.
  Devastating Shroud
  Increase your critical strike chance and severity by 2/4/6/8/10% for 6 seconds after using Shocking Execution.
  
  *Mainly using this just to get to the next tier.
  Brutal Backstab
  While Stealthed you critical with 5/10/15/20/25% more severity.
  
  *Because you'll always be in stealth, that means you'll always have +25% Critical Secerity.
  
  Critical Teamwork
  You and your nearby allies gain a 1/2/3/4/5% chance to crit.
  
  *This will help your team's DPS but also push your Critical hit chance to a near 43%.
  Overrun Critical
  When you land a critical hit, one of your next attacks strikes with 30% of your crit severity.
  
  *This is a very good feat that will help out your DPS. I've seen Impact Shots deal well over 21K damage because of this.
  
  
  
  
  

  Paragon Feats (Scoundrel)

  
  
  
  
  
  

  Tier I

  
  

  Tier II

  
  
  
  Underhanded Tactics
  Increase the effectiveness of Combat Advantage for you by 4/8/12/16/20%
  
  *Stealth provides Combat Advantage and because of this, you'll always have 30% increased effectiveness of Combat Advantage which is an extra 3% damage.
  Nimble Blade
  35% chance to deal an additional 4/8/12/16/20% damage on a non critical strike.
  
  *This will help out your DPS.
  
  
  
  What your Feats provide for your Damage

  • +3% Critical Strike Chance from Weapon Mastery
  • Increased Tenebrous Damage from Toughness
  • 35% Chance to deal 20% Damage
  • +9% More Damage with At-Wills
  • +5% Critical Strike Chance from Critical Teamwork
  • +25% Critical Severity from Brutal Backstab
  • +30% Critical Severity from Overrun Critical

  
  

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  Tips & Tricks
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  Cancel Stealth
  Some players will run at you and as soon as you go into stealth they will turn and run away, waiting until your stealth is done and they'll run at you again. If this ever happens you can just double tap #6 to mount and dismount, cancelling stealth so it doesn't consume all your Stealth Meter.
  
  Increase Field of View (FoV)
  You can increase your FoV by typing /gfxSetDefaultFOV 100
  
  100 is the distance of how far you want your camera. I use 80.
  
  You can also Keybind different Field of Views to help you be more aware of the surroundings. Knowing if more enemies are coming or sneaking up behind etc. It also helps you can check corners to see enemies passing through.
  
  Large Field of View - Keybind: Numpad 2

  /bind numpad2 gfxSetDefaultFOV 120

  
  Return back to preferred Field of View - Keybind: Numpad 1

  /bind numpad1 gfxSetDefaultFOV 80

  
  Example:

  

  
  
  Use Impact Shot with Overrun Critical
  Keep an eye on what buffs your rogue has on. If you want to see some high damage use one CoS to active Overrun Critical when you critical hit, then follow up with an Impact Shot. I only use this combination when you know you can finish off the target or when Lurker's Assault is active to keep the rogue in stealth.
  
  Here is an example:

  

  

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• danthrax37 Member Posts: 0 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  I've spent the last couple weeks leveling a few different builds up to 35-40ish before I found one the suited me, pvp-wise... Def interested in hearing/seeing how this one plays.

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• dekno Member Posts: 181 Bounty Hunter

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  this was my 3rd attempt to roll a rogue with int, figured int gives so little in return you will be losing out dps in the end to straight up dps build with the pvp set, its ok if you roll stealth on feats i guess, but in the end ppl with stacked out enchants will win out in most situations, i think master duelist set could be good if you use deft strike and lashing blade, then stealth and are able to debuff your cooldowns with the set bonus, then back to stealth again.
  
  
  deft strike, lashing blade, stealth, blades, shadow strike, stealth, primary attack, daily, dodge and blades.

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• x3lade Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 184 Bounty Hunter

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  lol well, I wanted to make a build that plays different from your typical lashing blade Rogue. My main rogue (Half-Orc, pure STR/DEX) with Master Assassin 2 Set and Shadewalker 2 Set for a bonus of +850 Power, stacked Power and Vorpal can easily get me 20-30K Crits with lashing blade.
  
  But honestly, this Perma-Stealth build should win versus any heavy DPS focus build just because they can't hit you and you keep a distance with your attacks. Accumulated damage from Cloud of Steel is about 20-30K which can kill a target, however if you ever do need something that hits hard, you'll use Impact shot which crits for an average of 7-10K, seen it hit for 15K with Lurker's Assault (With Lurker's Assault, you pretty much Chain Stun the target and remain in stealth even further giving you time to get Bait and Switch and Shadow Strike off CD to redo the Perma-Stealth rotation).

  

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• vigilantejustice Member Posts: 11 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  If you are a perfectionist and want the perfect stats, I recommend rolling as a Human. As a Human you can put +2 into any stat so it's best to put +2 into INT. The Base Stat you are looking for is 15 STR / 15 DEX / 12 INT (+2 INT)

  
  Wouldn't for PVP Tiefling be better? If you could roll:
  
  dex/str/cha/int/con/wis
  15/15/13/12/11/10
  
  Then you could get +2 CHA +2 INT. If you are in stealth that much you would gain the extra 2% CA damage as well as the +5% when they are below 50% (bloodhunt).
  
  That would give you 17/21/17/20/13/12 at 60 if you put level ups in INT and STR.

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• x3lade Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 184 Bounty Hunter

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  Good question, I went human because you get 3 heroic feat. The extra 3 feats are placed into scoundrel training which gives you 9% extra damage. Which is far better then 5% damage that is only effective on targets below 50%

  

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• todesfaelle Member Posts: 1,370 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  I'm running a similar build, but concentrates a bit more on DPS. However I'm really curious to see how this performs in both PVP and PVE settings. It would be great if you could record a video of the rotation sometime. Perma-stealth (100% stealth) is something I have not been able to achieve in my stealth build and at most I need stay out of stealth for about 5 - 6 seconds and wait for Shadow Strike to finish filling up.
  
  But nonetheless I am happy to see another stealth-based build in the forum. Please keep up the good work! I find your guide to be pretty informative and I definitely learned new things from this guide.

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• x3lade Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 184 Bounty Hunter

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  Thanks, glad you like it~!
  
  Honestly, DPS wise, it just wont be able to compete against other builds that focus on damage. However, the idea of Perma-Stealth in dungeons might make it possible to solo bosses etc... if your whole team wipes. That being said, I think its a crazy idea but I'll test it out. (its just that all groups prefer a DPS class to do it's job, ie to DPS )
  
  The High INT is very important, that's pretty much 10-11% extra Recharge Speed and then 2.4K recovery to push recharge speed even further. Additionally, you have +20% longer Stealth (from Feats) and +20% longer Stealth (from Armor set). High stamina regeneration and dodging every so often definitely helps keep you in stealth a second longer to help get CD's off of Bait and Switch and Shadow Strike. (Feats reduce the cost of dodge rolls).
  
  I plan on making a Video Guide, PvP Video to show it's effectiveness, and I guess I can show how the Perma-Stealth rotation works which I'll probably post first and soon.

  

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• therouterninja Member Posts: 114 Bounty Hunter

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  Wouldn't it be better to stack CHA instead of STR? Seeing as how you get 1 point of deflection/dps per CHA, and you're always in stealth anyways?
  
  *edit* nevermind, I see dodge is valuable in this build. Still curious if you have a buffer with good recovery gear, if it's better to work on CHA.

  Beholder MOPP4
  
  60 GF(14.5GS) Cersei
  60 CW(12.4GS) Shadis
  60 TR(12.2GS) Dijkstra
  60 GWF(12.2GS) Winnowill
  45 DC(WIP) Daenerys

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• x3lade Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 184 Bounty Hunter

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  therouterninja wrote: »

  Wouldn't it be better to stack CHA instead of STR? Seeing as how you get 1 point of deflection/dps per CHA, and you're always in stealth anyways?
  
  *edit* nevermind, I see dodge is valuable in this build. Still curious if you have a buffer with good recovery gear, if it's better to work on CHA.

  
  Correct, STR is required as you can see in this Perma-Stealth Video, as it help keeps my stealth up. CHA is nice for the combat advantage, but you'll sacrifice stamina regeneration. The build requires a good eye on maintaining the Cool Downs and Stealth (not using the powers too early or too late).
  

  todesfaelle wrote: »

  It would be great if you could record a video of the rotation sometime. Perma-stealth (100% stealth) is something I have not been able to achieve in my stealth build and at most I need stay out of stealth for about 5 - 6 seconds and wait for Shadow Strike to finish filling up.

  
  Here is a video I just made for the Perma-Steath rotation, enjoy!
  
  (Perma-Stealth Rotation, watch in 1080p) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYhwLO9ZyRw

  

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• phantomtempest Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 23 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  Now that is just ****ed up. Ability to kill someone without even getting out of stealth? With this combination you can even kill million of people as long as they come in one by one. This should be fixed ASAP. This is like god-mode.

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• yerune Member Posts: 0 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  phantomtempest wrote: »

  Now that is just ****ed up. Ability to kill someone without even getting out of stealth? With this combination you can even kill million of people as long as they come in one by one. This should be fixed ASAP. This is like god-mode.

  
  Fortunately for you it's a 5v5 match.
  
  Besides, have you actually read the post before you knee-jerked? TR's gimp DPS for stealth this way.

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• thedeadstar Member Posts: 201

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  Wasn't perma stealth you need a little bit better timing on shadow strike tho.
  Should work for most PvE parts except some final bosses always cast their aoes, disregarding if there is any player or not - mostly the final ones ofc for which this build is kinda useless. For PvP its mostly defending/capping i guess, getting even a single hit destroys this build completly for several seconds (ofc you can use -90% stealth loss reduction, but the natural regeneration is stoped shortly).
  
  Interesting, but nothing I'd personally play.

  Shinis

  Tong Lv86

  Server: Jian [DE]

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• phantomtempest Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 23 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  yerune wrote: »

  Fortunately for you it's a 5v5 match.
  
  Besides, have you actually read the post before you knee-jerked? TR's gimp DPS for stealth this way.

  
  Have you actually used your brain and thought this through before replying me? One rouge, using this method, can hold a point and capture it and would not die untill the end of game. It maybe ''gimps'' the DPS but it almost makes you INVINCIBLE. You are able to kill any CW, TR, GWF, GF with this method with a success chance of %100. Or even 2 at a time. So long as there are no clerics nearby. But if there are, well then you basicly distract 2 of the enemy player so that pretty much guarantees the win for you.

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• thedeadstar Member Posts: 201

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  Clever people will still be able to hit & kill the rogue, even with almost perma stealth.
  Reminds me already a bit of gw2 like a half year ago, when it was still possible to cap stealthed in WvW. Was kinda funny to fool a zerg of 30+ people alone and keeping that camp until reinforcement arrived. Sadly, they fixed it because the majority of people is to dumb to defeat such builds. Same might happen here if this build will be commen in any way - no capping while stealthed anymore.

  Shinis

  Tong Lv86

  Server: Jian [DE]

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• phantomtempest Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 23 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  thedeadstar wrote: »

  People with AOE encounters ready on their skill bar will still be able to hit & kill the rogue, even with almost perma stealth. If we had 20 skill bars, this would be acceptable. You could adapt to this. But we don't have that many skillbar.
  Reminds me already a bit of gw2 like a half year ago, when it was still possible to cap stealthed in WvW. Was kinda funny to fool a zerg of 30+ people alone and keeping that camp until reinforcement arrived. Sadly, they fixed it because the majority of people is to dumb to defeat such builds. Same might happen here if this build will be commen in any way - no capping while stealthed anymore.

  
  Fixed it for you.

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• huckasex Banned Users, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 145 Bounty Hunter

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  you didnt fix it, you twisted it...and you clearly know nothing about rogues, otherwis eyou wouldnt spout so much bull****, phantomtmepest

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• phantomtempest Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 23 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  huckasex wrote: »

  you didnt fix it, you twisted it...and you clearly know nothing about rogues, otherwis eyou wouldnt spout so much bull****, phantomtmepest

  
  My main is a rouge which I PvP with it everyday, for hours. I am also using a similiar build (not perma-stealth tough). Gone full Sab and using Gloaming Cut as my main At-will and also Stealth Strike to fill my Stealth Bar. And I tell you, Most of the time I kill enemy Rouges and CW without even getting any damage at all.( And not using a Daily too). Thus I can EASILY imagine what perma-stealth build can accomplish.
  
  /thread
  
  Edit: I have won %90 of the matches I have been to by easily capping the enemy point and holding it while the rest of the enemy and my team fights in the middle. Stealth is the main skill that makes this possible.

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• noroblad Member Posts: 556 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  nevermind I figured it out, mixed class stat bonuses up.
  
  This is pretty cool but I think I would also have gone tiefling for it.

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• todesfaelle Member Posts: 1,370 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  x3lade wrote: »

  Here is a video I just made for the Perma-Steath rotation, enjoy!
  
  (Perma-Stealth Rotation, watch in 1080p) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYhwLO9ZyRw

  
  Hands down, x3lade, your build is one of a kind. I'm just amazed right now. TR's are the only class I play in this game, and I think I'll make another Rogue specifically for this build. DPS is gimped but I can sure as heck live with that. Coincidentally, high Recovery also results to better AP gain. The lack in DPS could be solved by Lurker's Assault.
  
  I can only imagine how well this would perform in PVE. Though some monsters can see right through our stealth (Driders, Karrundax/Chartilifax, etc.)

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• wankw Member Posts: 34 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  Thank you x3lade.
  I have started a new TR after reading this. I'm a new player.
  Hope to see more posts from you.
  I also hope to see your whole build. (where u placed all your points)
  Bye for now.
  
  Ghost (A L5 human TR, dragon shard)

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• noroblad Member Posts: 556 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  I kind of want to try it too, but I dunno if I can afford to gear out another one!

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• x3lade Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 184 Bounty Hunter

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  You guys are asking about the damage for this build, so I made a quick video that shows it off in PvP
  

  Gameplay with Perma-Stealth, PvP, Enjoy (Watch in 1080p)
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU1cWTIjM1o

  

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• x3lade Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 184 Bounty Hunter

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  UPDATE
  

  • Added Daily Powers
  • Added Passive Powers
  • Added Heroic Feats
  • Added Paragon Feats
  • Added Tips & Trick Section
  • Added short video that shows gameplay of the build in action

  
  Build is finished
  If you have any questions just reply in this thread instead of PMing me (I usually forget to check my messages lol).
  
  Coming Soon
  More video gameplay of this Build, more PvP videos.

  

  Pro Competitive Build / Perma-Stealth Rotation (video) / Perma-Stealth DPS (video)

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• vigilantejustice Member Posts: 11 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  x3lade wrote: »

  Good question, I went human because you get 3 heroic feat. The extra 3 feats are placed into scoundrel training which gives you 9% extra damage. Which is far better then 5% damage that is only effective on targets below 50%

  
  Does the 9% work in PVP? What is considering "Not Targeting You"?

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• x3lade Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 184 Bounty Hunter

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  Your in stealth, nothings targeting you. Only time it wont work would be if you and your target are exchanging hits (makes sense)

  

  Pro Competitive Build / Perma-Stealth Rotation (video) / Perma-Stealth DPS (video)

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• thedeadstar Member Posts: 201

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  Just 1 thing I'm really wondering about:
  Why/How can't they hit you?
  While I'm in stealth I ALWAYS get hit by single target "lock-on" skills, e.g. mage/cleric at-will, bullcharge of GF, stun of GWF and other stuff thats supposed to get a target. So even if this video looks somewhat of nice, I can't take it serious.

  Shinis

  Tong Lv86

  Server: Jian [DE]

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• x3lade Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 184 Bounty Hunter

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  thedeadstar wrote: »

  Just 1 thing I'm really wondering about:
  Why/How can't they hit you?
  While I'm in stealth I ALWAYS get hit by single target "lock-on" skills, e.g. mage/cleric at-will, bullcharge of GF, stun of GWF and other stuff thats supposed to get a target. So even if this video looks somewhat of nice, I can't take it serious.

  
  I use to play an extremely aggressive TR, heavy dps focused and his play style was more of a "kill the target before it kills you" so you tend to spam everything you got and I assume that's how most people play TR's. However with this Build its different,
  

  1. You need to manage your CD's, so the play style is more calm and collect
  2. You need know when to go in to attack your target at melee and know when to stay away.
  3. You also need to know the safe distance in which the enemy can't get a glimpse of your whereabouts in stealth.
  4. Never face the target directly, always behind or the side, just because you might get hit from random attacks. With Melee enemies, always stay behind.

  
  
  About the Video:
  Positioning is very important. In the video at 2:04 I attacked the CW from behind, staying away from random projectiles that might hit me. And then another CW came up so I dropped the Decoy (additionally refilling stealth), but the Decoy was positioned right in front of the CW's line of slight which acted as a shield at 2:13
  
  At 2:25 I got a glimpse of a stealthed TR, so I immediately dodged roll to prevent unnecessary damage (if I could see him in stealth, chances are he saw me). But by also dodge rolling, it placed me in a safe location and closed the gap of my target.
  
  At 2:32, I kept my distance far enough to range and not be seen, but close enough to be ready to get in for melee attacks. As soon as the CW used his Entangling Force, I immediately went to melee attacks (knowing I'll be safe because he just used his stun).
  
  At 2:48, my Stealth Meter was running low and I knew my other encounters wont be ready to refill stealth. So at that time I used Lurker's Assault. But I was not in stealth for a short millisecond so I dodge rolled in case I might get stunned at that time. Also, because Lurker's Assault gave me massive damage, I didn't just turn around to do major DPS, instead I position myself above the stairs because if I fought in the previous spot it was a "Chokehold" position which enemies will be running through and will end up getting a glimpse of my location.
  
  At 3:44, my ally got hit by an AoE that does damage to the surroundings so I immediately stepped away to prevent any damage to my stealth meter. (Expert Sneak and Sneak Attack bonus movement makes it easier to position yourself and avoid AoE)

  

  Pro Competitive Build / Perma-Stealth Rotation (video) / Perma-Stealth DPS (video)

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• tubbyadam Member Posts: 58

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  i use this spec almost exactly the same and have just been called a cheater and someone gonna post on forums about me ...............

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