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Why don't investors who release MMOs too early ever learn?
tanglethorn
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The exact same thing happened with Warhammer Online and Star Wars Old Republic. They were released way too early. The games were incomplete, missing content (classes, dungeons, features, etc...), major class imbalance, etc...
Both games, which had major potential flopped...
NWN seems to be heading in that direction as well. They tried to guise it as an open beta, but its obvious that investors were tired of waiting for the profits to trickle in.
Now we are left with a game that feels like it could have been great, but because of the player frustration of dealing with tons of issues that border on game breaking and a lack of transparency with the Devs, the player base seems like it is starting to flee.
When are investors going to learn? Since the game is technically "Beta" (yeah ok), why can't the devs be more transparent. We are not asking for them to constantly check in with us, we just want acknowledgements or verification in regards bugs or game design and whether the game is supposed to be this way.
I think for me, my biggest concern is feeling like the investors pushed this out so players would be lured into spending money at the cash shop without letting us know the game is almost unplayable.
I feel like i was duped...
At least with a monthly sub fee I could simply cancel. With the Zen shop I bought a lot of stuff and realize only too late that this game is frustrating to play beyond compare.
Both games, which had major potential flopped...
NWN seems to be heading in that direction as well. They tried to guise it as an open beta, but its obvious that investors were tired of waiting for the profits to trickle in.
Now we are left with a game that feels like it could have been great, but because of the player frustration of dealing with tons of issues that border on game breaking and a lack of transparency with the Devs, the player base seems like it is starting to flee.
When are investors going to learn? Since the game is technically "Beta" (yeah ok), why can't the devs be more transparent. We are not asking for them to constantly check in with us, we just want acknowledgements or verification in regards bugs or game design and whether the game is supposed to be this way.
I think for me, my biggest concern is feeling like the investors pushed this out so players would be lured into spending money at the cash shop without letting us know the game is almost unplayable.
I feel like i was duped...
At least with a monthly sub fee I could simply cancel. With the Zen shop I bought a lot of stuff and realize only too late that this game is frustrating to play beyond compare.
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Investors... invest money in the projects.
I wouldn't mind spending the money, but I will wait until the game is out of the beta stage to see if I like the direction it is moving in at that time.
But Neverwinter being free to play is a whole another story, they can releasy early, call it open beta and continue working on it, its not like you HAVE to pay subscription or buy the game to play it. Only founders have some right to complain, but then again, they didn't bought the game, they gave money to support development and got some exclusive bonuses for them.
Also, this again being a F2P game, what stops you from simply taking a break and checking back in some time to see the changes? It not like it will cost you anything.
Seriously, if you put $200 into a game in beta, and then you find yourself regretting it....please say wetawded.
Cryptic has already earned millions from the people that wasted their money for mounts companions,gear and cosmetics. These people are casuals and most of them haven't even reached level 60 yet. The patch will come only when people stop buying shiiit from the zen store. This is simple economics. This will take long though because people that spent 200 dollars for things that can be earned in game in about 4 T2 runs are usually thick have a lot of money. So yea . They have nothing to learn.. Cryptic knows exactly what's going on. The ones that have to start learning are the players
Games don't cost 200$, the founders paid that because the want the game to succeed.
When you're doing statements like these you need:
1) To be level 60 for quite sometime and have experience about the end game mess in NW
2) To have played as a GWF and a GF
If you are on your leveling process i agree that the game is Awesome. If you are only playing foundry quests at 60 just to have some fun with the user created content then again the game is awesome. If you are at the end game with a group of friends and you're playing through the T2s legit then yes NW is awesome. If you're not doing anything of the above the game sucks. It has no end game (a bunch of broken dungeons-I did 20 runs and I'm fully geared). It has no class balance(where are the GWFs and the GFs?).It has no itemization. It has no pvp (pvp balance is a joke). Need i say more?:D
Show me supporting evidence of your claimed facts.
But thinking on this some more, and over time. I realize a company must make a profit, if it does not in some way it will fail and company will go bankrupt which means no game for anyone. So don't expect a business to not make money, it's the sole purpose of a company. Although I will agree with some points on this forum, prices on those items are a bit high. And I just simply can not afford a 6 dollar respect or a 40dollar mount when that money is better used towards groceries.
Worst for me is that everything you buy during Beta... is mostly for Beta cause when game comes your zen spent... is spent EVEN if you spent it just to help give feedback and so on (kinda feels like using people's money to their benefit)
Mentioned this in another thread just recently but, Zen spent can be returned since the record of buying zen is on the site and not the game files.
PS this isn't NWN, this is just NW or DD:NW or D&D:NW.
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Almost correct. The publishers and developers set the deadlines and milestones together.
Nobody who is on a budget is spending money on this game. The prices are through the roof and you could buy something nice you would use every day for what it would cost to pimp out a single character. Something like a new flat screen, tablet, computer, or whatnot else you might like.
The people dropping hundreds of dollars on virtual items don't care about the money.
They have the biggest fantasy ip.
The sad thing is,
if they did everything right like european servers, no bugs, a test server for endgame content etc..
This game had the potential for millions of players and would grow over time.
But it seems they rather settle for a few 100 000 that somethimes spend some cash.
It still has that potential but getting players back is harder then having them try something new.
The day a Company starts receiving money from players and has no intention of reimbursing the players, makes that game Release!
I have 3 lvl 60s and a 4th coming up. This game revolves around 3 classes... Cleric, Wizard, and Rogue.... If you are not one of those, good luck getting into any solid standing groups, especially during DD.
There are way too many players out there that have no idea how to play their class, so it reflects on those of us who do. The game is unbalanced, its about stab boss, burn adds... The developers behind the boss fights have NO creativity at all. This game is **** simple, even Forest Gump could do Castle Never.
It is so sad to see so many players stand behind Cryptic/PWI in this game. I dont know if you are just ignorant or that easily entertained. Because the newness of this MMO has worn off.
Lets also not forget to mention the amount of this game that has been taken over by Bots and yet nothing is done about it.
On subject you would think that by now this company would have learned to read all the dayum bug and exploit reports from betas....
Would be nice to be able to log in and not have to wonder if you are wasting your precious time and money.....
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This is not the first MMO that does action combat right... Maybe outside of your little WoW circle it is, but you should probably consider broadening your MMO experience a bit.
My advise to anyone throwing a childish fit like this guy: you could have waited to spend any money. Cryptic just put it out there.
This is a definition of beta-testing obtained from Carlos Delano Buskey "A Software Metrics Based Approach to Enterprise Software
Beta Testing Design" (School of Computer Science & Information Systems,Pace University 2005)P2
A test of software that is still under development accomplished by having peopleactually using the software. In a beta test, a software product is sent to selected potential customers and influential end users (known as beta sites), who test its
functionality and report any operational or utilization errors (bugs) found. The beta test is usually one of the last steps a software developer takes before releasing the product to market; however, if the beta sites indicate that the software has operational difficulties or an extraordinary number of bugs, the developer may conduct more beta tests before the software is released to
customers.
"Although, software manufacturers recognize beta testing as a formal and important element of software testing, and most industry dictionaries and glossaries provide formal definitions for beta testing, there are no existing standards or models for this form of software testing"
Beta testing is simple in the end. Assess but don't exploit functionality. Report errors. That can better be accomplished if many people are engaged in the task. I just love the way people like the thread initiator complain about the incomplete nature of a free beta. Lols.
As the software has been released to customers (people are paying for aspects of the service and so are, by definition, customers) your quote would seem to indicate that NW is not in beta.
Note that I am not claiming here that NW is not in beta, but the individual you quoted seems to believe that it is not.
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