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Neverwinter Zen Store Comparison - Dragon's Prophet

ikianeikiane Member Posts: 28 Arc User
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
This is just a snippet, please Google Dragon's Prophet if you want to know more, i'm not here to advertise, just display an exert comparison.
1000 Station Cash = $10

24 Bag Slots = 180sc = $1.80
20 Bank Slots = 240sc = $2.40
1 Dragon Inventory = 60sc = $0.60
1 Dragon Lair Slot = 120sc = $1.20
1000 Zen = $10

24 Bag Slots = 1000zen = $10.00
16 Bank Slots = 600zen = $6.00
1 Companion Active Slot = 350zen = $3.50
1 Companion Idle Slot = 100zen = $1.00


Lets have a chat, shall we?
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  • allaerraallaerra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 838 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    I know, it goes into full OB on the 30th IIRC, looking forward to trying it.
  • electrinoelectrino Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 39
    edited May 2013
    omfg, this is rediculous...
  • oronessoroness Member Posts: 378 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    lol?
    what did you expect, it's PWE.

    duh.
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  • kasuharikasuhari Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Except that Dragon Prophet is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> game. I got invite to Close Beta and wow it amazing how a game can be so undervelop and fill with so many bugs. Attack animation is so choppy, sound effect is so bad, no music, character won't load, etc. Neverwinter is simply just more superior, but I agree with PW on cash shop on this game. They just went overboard. $200.00 for Founder Pack, and $40 for a Mount and Companion, $15 for a Bag? You got to be kidding me. If they are smart on it, they sale it for less = more people buy it rather then too expensive a few people buy it and they don't make as much profits. They just went overboard and being too greedy on the Cash Shop.
  • nojo2211nojo2211 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 35
    edited May 2013
    To be fair, we don't know yet how many items you need to hold in that game compared to NW, but I agree those numbers look really bad.
  • abradaxabradax Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 64
    edited May 2013
    kasuhari wrote: »
    Except that Dragon Prophet is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> game. I got invite to Close Beta and wow it amazing how a game can be so undervelop and fill with so many bugs. Attack animation is so choppy, sound effect is so bad, no music, character won't load, etc. Neverwinter is simply just more superior, but I agree with PW on cash shop on this game. They just went overboard. $200.00 for Founder Pack, and $40 for a Mount and Companion, $15 for a Bag? You got to be kidding me. If they are smart on it, they sale it for less = more people buy it rather then too expensive a few people buy it and they don't make as much profits. They just went overboard and being too greedy on the Cash Shop.

    Wait, so you complain about bugs, bad animation, and character loading problems, then say NWN is superior?
    I like NWN as much as the next guy and showed my support by becoming a founder.... but seriously, this game has all of the problems mentioned above in spades.
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  • morbicmorbic Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Um...can you earn the equivalent of Astral Diamonds to buy Station Cash like you can do with Zen yet or is it all Real Money for Station Cash still?
  • artorusrexartorusrex Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Cant say i like the look of the game but the comparison of the cash shop prices is pretty dramatic.
    Bit of a surprise to me considering that Runewalker is involved with it since one of there other MMO's called Runes of Magic is pretty much in my experience about the most expensive ftp mmo i have ever played by a long way (assuming you want decent gear , which you have to have to do latest dungeons).
  • lerdocixlerdocix Member Posts: 897 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    ikiane wrote: »
    This is just a snippet, please Google Dragon's Prophet if you want to know more, i'm not here to advertise, just display an exert comparison.


    Lets have a chat, shall we?

    Can you convert real money currency with in game currency and vice versa?
  • ausdoerrtausdoerrt Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Yeah, but what else are they monetizing? What mechanisms are there to earn these in-game? Doesn't look like a very good comparison.

    I'll try the game, but it doesn't look like something that could provide the same experience as NWO, so I wouldn't even treat it as a direct competitor. It looks like it's for the grindy monster-huntery crowd.
    kasuhari wrote: »
    They just went overboard and being too greedy on the Cash Shop.

    It's an optional cash shop, and there's nothing I've seen so far that cripples your gameplay if you don't pay. You can comfortably play without spending a dime. So if you can't afford it, it's not for you.

    On the other hand, the typical gamer in his/her late 20s - early 30s will have no issue dropping some cash on the game every now and then if they like it. You'd be surprised what some people spend. So it's not greed, it's basic market analysis.
  • kasuharikasuhari Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    abradax wrote: »
    Wait, so you complain about bugs, bad animation, and character loading problems, then say NWN is superior?
    I like NWN as much as the next guy and showed my support by becoming a founder.... but seriously, this game has all of the problems mentioned above in spades.

    You really have to play Dragon Prophet to know how bugs it is and with such outdated graphic Engine. My characterr is invisible and game glitch everywhere. I uninstall after 10 minutes of gameplay. I feel like the game is not ready, even if it is the graphic engine is so outdated. It look like this game was an old released from Asian imported over to US after they got tired of the game over there.
  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Or we can compare the opposite direction, and check out the latest game from Aeria....

    16 backpack spaces, 30 day temporary - $3
    (If you want permanent backpacks, they are a rare drop from the Backpack box)
    32 bank spaces, 30 day temp - $2
    (If you want permanent bank space, it's a rare drop from the Warehouse box)
    Actual useful abilities for your companions? Those range from $1 - $40. Not tradeable.
    Mount? Well, there's one for $30 (not account wide), the other two are rare drops from two different boxes.
    Costumes? One lousy one is available for $30. All the others are rare drops from (guess what!) individual boxes.

    Weekend "sales" that encourage you to spend enough to hit certain milestones for "bonus prizes".... up to $150+. One weekend had a costume you had to collect letters for. Getting all the letters, if you didn't buy them off other people, meant spending $500+ for "bonuses".

    Yeah, it makes the Neverwinter shop look like a flea market.


    (and yet, there were still lunatics who responded to the "how much have you spent" threads, with totals between $1k and $4k. The first month. :eek:)
  • kinada350kinada350 Member Posts: 47
    edited May 2013
    kiralyn wrote: »
    Or we can compare the opposite direction, and check out the latest game from Aeria....

    16 backpack spaces, 30 day temporary - $3
    (If you want permanent backpacks, they are a rare drop from the Backpack box)
    32 bank spaces, 30 day temp - $2
    (If you want permanent bank space, it's a rare drop from the Warehouse box)
    Actual useful abilities for your companions? Those range from $1 - $40. Not tradeable.
    Mount? Well, there's one for $30 (not account wide), the other two are rare drops from two different boxes.
    Costumes? One lousy one is available for $30. All the others are rare drops from (guess what!) individual boxes.

    Weekend "sales" that encourage you to spend enough to hit certain milestones for "bonus prizes".... up to $150+. One weekend had a costume you had to collect letters for. Getting all the letters, if you didn't buy them off other people, meant spending $500+ for "bonuses".

    Yeah, it makes the Neverwinter shop look like a flea market.


    (and yet, there were still lunatics who responded to the "how much have you spent" threads, with totals between $1k and $4k. The first month. :eek:)

    This is called gambling. These games do it because people with gambling addiction will give them all their money. This game has it as well.
  • futrixfutrix Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    IF you can turn in-game currency into shop/real currency and buy bags, I would agree that is bad.
    Knowing nothing about the game though, something tells me this is not the case, that you have to spend real money to get those items where as in this game you can get the items with ingame currency. Locking items behind a paywall with no means of getting them otherwise is the definition of... well those 3 horrible words that get thrown around here all the **** time.

    *starts looking into the game*
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  • stormdrag0nstormdrag0n Member Posts: 3,222 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    What baffles me is I keep seeing posts like these about the superiority of other games.....yet the bridge dwellers never actually go there.

    It's kinda like complaining about how Burger Kings food suck but ordering a Double Whopper every day, or in some cases here every fifteen minutes.

    :rolleyes:
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  • kasuharikasuhari Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    ausdoerrt wrote: »

    It's an optional cash shop, and there's nothing I've seen so far that cripples your gameplay if you don't pay. You can comfortably play without spending a dime. So if you can't afford it, it's not for you.

    On the other hand, the typical gamer in his/her late 20s - early 30s will have no issue dropping some cash on the game every now and then if they like it. You'd be surprised what some people spend. So it's not greed, it's basic market analysis.


    There is nothing wrong with having Cash Shop on F2P, but they price it horribly wrong and not in a good ways. For example, if they sale a Mount for $15, more people will buy it. If they price it at $40 maybe a few people buy it because the price is so steep. So if they price it less they are making more profits and everyone is happy, I don't see anything wrong with doing it this way because you get more sales by selling item for less. It have nothing to do with being cheap or who can offord it or not. It just more benefit for them to do it this way. But I guess this is PW, price will keep getting higher and higher. Soon you will be paying $60 for a mount on their next game. Oh wait, you already pay $200 for a Spider Mount and a Companions with Founder pack.
  • randomone777randomone777 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I wouldn't play a Sony game if someone tried to pay me to do it. In my opinion, you may as well stick a sign on your account that says, "Please, take my CC information."

    While the absurd exchange rate in PWE/NW is acknowledged, the simple fact of Sony's cheap currency conversion rate is that most of us watched the repeated hacks and loss of PII and credit card information and simply swore off them.

    In other words, frankly, I think they have to be cheap because no one will pay to have their information stolen (i.e., overtly and publicly demonstrated laxity in security practice).

    Ref link/history of hacks: http://attrition.org/security/rants/sony_aka_sownage.html
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  • ikianeikiane Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Of course Dragons Prophet has problems, it has just finished closed beta on 24th, this is no surprise to anyone. But this is not about what game is better, im not really here for that, its highly subjective. Cash shop prices are not. Prices are fair game for comparison for the same service.

    I dont think they have any currency comparible to Astral Diamonds.

    Check out the 90 (65 for 24hours) founders pack. You get 9000 station cash and the goodies. So, you get your money back in SC, and the founders pack.
  • ikianeikiane Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    What baffles me is I keep seeing posts like these about the superiority of other games.....yet the bridge dwellers never actually go there.

    It's kinda like complaining about how Burger Kings food suck but ordering a Double Whopper every day, or in some cases here every fifteen minutes.

    :rolleyes:
    Please dont lump me in with them. Im an adult :p
  • labbblabbb Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    ikiane wrote: »
    Lets have a chat, shall we?

    Shure , I am going to assume it will be as free as free realms ? ROFL

    no thanks , it will be a very cold day in hell before I give sony another dime . I refuse to even see movies made by sony pictures . You think customer support sucks here ? You think exploits take a long time to be fixed here ? You think your credit card is safe ? How about them shutting down a game and not refunding your non-spent SC ? ROFL yeah good luck with sony .
  • akikisaragiakikisaragi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Bought the DL pack for DP which included $90 in station cash plus when the packs went on a pre OB sale SOE refunded the difference in station cash which put it at about 11,000 station cash alone not including the rest of the goodies. That was a good deal for like $67. I'm still glad I got the HotN pack, just question PWE's claim of what it's worth compared to what the cost of the pack is.
  • angelxeyeangelxeye Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 1
    edited May 2013
    oroness wrote: »
    lol?
    what did you expect, it's PWE.
    duh.
    Ditto - look at other PWE games. The company is much more interested in profits and quantity of games. PWE should cancel 1/3 of them and put the money into making the ones they have better.
  • ikianeikiane Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Well the last soe game I played was Matrix Online. Ive not had any of what you describe.

    Bought the dragon lord pack too. Good deal considering you get a Large Player house from it virtually free including everything else
  • futrixfutrix Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I enjoyed SoE's PS2. I haven't played it for a while but have been meaning to get back into it.
  • ausdoerrtausdoerrt Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    kasuhari wrote: »
    There is nothing wrong with having Cash Shop on F2P, but they price it horribly wrong and not in a good ways. For example, if they sale a Mount for $15, more people will buy it. If they price it at $40 maybe a few people buy it because the price is so steep. So if they price it less they are making more profits and everyone is happy, I don't see anything wrong with doing it this way because you get more sales by selling item for less. It have nothing to do with being cheap or who can offord it or not. It just more benefit for them to do it this way. But I guess this is PW, price will keep getting higher and higher. Soon you will be paying $60 for a mount on their next game. Oh wait, you already pay $200 for a Spider Mount and a Companions with Founder pack.
    It's kind of hard to believe that you know what would sell better than a company full of specialists on selling an MMO. This isn't their first F2P game either. I'm pretty sure that if it's priced that, people are buying it.
  • zaarel2zaarel2 Member Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    ausdoerrt wrote: »
    It's kind of hard to believe that you know what would sell better than a company full of specialists on selling an MMO. This isn't their first F2P game either. I'm pretty sure that if it's priced that, people are buying it.[/Q

    He may not have hard data but his point is solid. If anyone thinks for a second that a mount priced at $40 is going to drive profits they are insane. Revenue would likely be far higher if that mount were $5 to $10. Before I get flamed that you don't "need" to buy a mount I understand that. I am simply using it as an example.

    If bank slots, bags, companions and slots were a bit cheaper I believe plenty more people would spend money on them.

    Lastly to assume that the pricing done by the "experts" must be right is just plain foolish. "Experts" set up business models and pricing in many industries that fail daily. I think the feedback that the cash shop seems overpriced is something a wise company would take as the "voice of the customer" and take a look at it.

    To be clear I am also not opposed to spending money on a game. If I enjoy a game I am always more than happy to support its continued development. When the F2P model however starts to cost more than $10 to $15 / month to give the same "quality of life" i can get from a monthly sub then one has to evaluate it.
  • ausdoerrtausdoerrt Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    ^ If this were their first F2P game with a cash shop, your point might've been valid. But it's not, their other games also price things similarly, and last time I checked aren't failing financially.

    Besides, I think that targeting people who actively spend lots of money has its merit as a strategy. Even if they priced mounts at $1, it's not like everyone would suddenly start buying them - consumer behavior is more complicated than that. Plus, they/we have to keep in mind that the AD/Z conversion still exists, so lower store prices could actually lead to fewer purchases - since it'd be too easy to farm for free.
  • zaarel2zaarel2 Member Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    ausdoerrt wrote: »
    ^ If this were their first F2P game with a cash shop, your point might've been valid. But it's not, their other games also price things similarly, and last time I checked aren't failing financially.

    Besides, I think that targeting people who actively spend lots of money has its merit as a strategy. Even if they priced mounts at $1, it's not like everyone would suddenly start buying them - consumer behavior is more complicated than that. Plus, they/we have to keep in mind that the AD/Z conversion still exists, so lower store prices could actually lead to fewer purchases - since it'd be too easy to farm for free.

    My points IS valid as are some of the points you make. I still don't think its a stretch to think some of the things in the Zen shop are overpriced. Your point on the AD/Zen conversions is a point well made.
  • s3pts3pt Member Posts: 177 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Those are much more reasonable prices, I would definitely buy if NW had even close to that. Well, that and they remove re-specs from shop and put them where they belong, in game.
  • kaskiankaskian Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Very understandable s3pt.
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