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Foundry Auto-Bans (Information)

lemonkingilemonkingi Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited May 2013 in The Foundry
I thought you guys would like to know about this.

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  • kelplanktonkelplankton Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 128 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    There's no "could" about it, I think- this is happening, to lots of folks. Even Featured foundry quests are vanishing, and this is likely the culprit.

    There really needs to be some sort of manual approval system for permabans at least. Temp bans being automatic I can understand, if they're reviewed and approved/dismissed in a timely basis, and if feedback is given to content creators so they can fix their quests to fit guidelines.

    But automated permabans via report spamming? That's terrible. For the whole system.
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  • lemonkingilemonkingi Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I used 'could' because I have solid proof of who or what is doing it, but it is the most plausible cause of those affected.
  • wuhsinwuhsin Banned Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I guess the players are going to abuse every feature of the game. Pitiful.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • lanessar13lanessar13 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Bans cannot be automated. Period.
  • lemonkingilemonkingi Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wuhsin wrote: »
    I guess the players are going to abuse every feature of the game. Pitiful.
    Its a feature that should have never had automation in anyform.
    But rather once enough reports are sent in customer service can examine the content and the reports then make a proper decision.
  • thecainthecain Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Cool, so they "fixed" the Foundry by nerfing it's rewards, but they left this little loophole in so people could lose their accounts. Way to freakin' go Cryptic, really on that ball.
    Check out my idea for the current "Drow Situation"!
  • lemonkingilemonkingi Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    thecain wrote: »
    Cool, so they "fixed" the Foundry by nerfing it's rewards, but they left this little loophole in so people could lose their accounts. Way to freakin' go Cryptic, really on that ball.
    Its been in since NW Beta 1, and possibly earlier going back to STO.
  • kelplanktonkelplankton Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 128 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    thecain wrote: »
    Cool, so they "fixed" the Foundry by nerfing it's rewards, but they left this little loophole in so people could lose their accounts. Way to freakin' go Cryptic, really on that ball.

    This doesn't ban accounts, it just bans the specific Foundry mission that's been report-spammed. The accounts are intact, but that's a lot of hard work down the drain for anyone this happens to.
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  • zaphtasticzaphtastic Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    This is just like the 'feature' that allows griefers to silence people for 24 hours by mass-ignoring them.

    Just like chat auto-ban, my brain hurts whenever I try to imagine how this feature was ever thought to be a good idea. HOW does a feature like this go through even the most rudimentary design review (such as asking the question 'I wonder how this could be abused')?!
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  • volcxxxvolcxxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    One thing: after automatic unban quests are not placed in top rated list.
    My quest was on 2-3 place from top, now after unban he have score 4.07 but he is invisible in "best" list now.

    This system is plain stupidity.
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    Old "Blood and Sand: Unchained" quest
    Played more than 100 000 times!
    > TRY IT NOW!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ecy4o6JqLc
  • vazkrovazkro Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    yep, you go cryptic.
  • tilt42tilt42 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Luckily, today's patch removes this functionality, returning some sanity to the system. I notice that the featured version of A Hidden Blade, with its 40,000+ plays and tons of reviews, is gone. I have no idea if it's ever coming back now.
  • hercooles130uscghercooles130uscg Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The "vanishing" quests are simply issues with the Foundry search that Cryptic has stated several times. Put the tin hats away.
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  • tilt42tilt42 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    hercooles130uscg wrote: »
    The "vanishing" quests are simply issues with the Foundry search that Cryptic has stated several times. Put the tin hats away.

    Tin hats? We're receiving mails from the system that our quests are being banned. This isn't speculation, you know.

    As for the missing version of A Hidden Blade, it used to be near the top of the Best list. That's not a search problem, since you're not searching in the first place. It's just not there.
  • hercooles130uscghercooles130uscg Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    tilt42 wrote: »
    Tin hats? We're receiving mails from the system that our quests are being banned. This isn't speculation, you know.

    As for the missing version of A Hidden Blade, it used to be near the top of the Best list. That's not a search problem, since you're not searching in the first place. It's just not there.

    If Cryptic really was dumb enough to have an autoban feature, then triple shame on them. Any monkey with half a brain knows that anything "auto" can be easily griefed, and I can see the mass number of players that obviously want to be able to grind and exploit to their hearts content being pissed off at the changes in the Foundry and going in and just reporting anything that was not a farm quest. Just as shown by the sheer number of these types of quests that appeared within a week of Open Beta shows there are a lot of people that are probably pissed by the changes in the Foundry.

    And I am of the opinion that someone who would disregard all the hard work authors put into quests by drowning their hard work under hundreds of thrown together in 10 minute grind quests, probably have no qualms about lowering to the level of purposely trying to get all those hard working authors content banned because they feel they ruined "their playstyle." This is the kind of community that is going to get promoted when you lower everything to the lowest common denominator. I am sorry call me what you wan't, but I have been playing MMO's long enough to know how different types of players think. I have been in guilds with them, know them in real life, and played with thousands of them. When the game becomes just about the XP and loot and end-game, then the game fails to be more then just run of the mill garbage. And run of the mill garbage attracts players who have no intent of committing to the game in the long run, and worse yet, don't care who they hurt during their relatively short play cycle.
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  • jdnycjdnyc Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 334 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    hercooles130uscg wrote: »
    If Cryptic really was dumb enough to have an autoban feature, then triple shame on them. Any monkey with half a brain knows that anything "auto" can be easily griefed, and I can see the mass number of players that obviously want to be able to grind and exploit to their hearts content being pissed off at the changes in the Foundry and going in and just reporting anything that was not a farm quest. Just as shown by the sheer number of these types of quests that appeared within a week of Open Beta shows there are a lot of people that are probably pissed by the changes in the Foundry.

    And I am of the opinion that someone who would disregard all the hard work authors put into quests by drowning their hard work under hundreds of thrown together in 10 minute grind quests, probably have no qualms about lowering to the level of purposely trying to get all those hard working authors content banned because they feel they ruined "their playstyle." This is the kind of community that is going to get promoted when you lower everything to the lowest common denominator. I am sorry call me what you wan't, but I have been playing MMO's long enough to know how different types of players think. I have been in guilds with them, know them in real life, and played with thousands of them. When the game becomes just about the XP and loot and end-game, then the game fails to be more then just run of the mill garbage. And run of the mill garbage attracts players who have no intent of committing to the game in the long run, and worse yet, don't care who they hurt during their relatively short play cycle.

    In short. Selfish Vindictive Pricks.
  • volcxxxvolcxxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Blood and Sand had 70 000 plays. After first ban I duplicated it, cleared from Spartacus references and published again. Now i know that was not needed becouse ban was just "automated" by some 1-star haters.
    Quest started from scratch with 0 plays. After 10 hours he had 5000 plays and goes up to top list. Haters saw it and... bam! Another automated ban.
    Now, after patch and unban i see it in my quests list, but is missing from "the best" list (most important one, where people actually see it).
    Only way to get it back is duplicate and publish again i think.
    Seriously... this is what we got from spending our time and making Cryptic job?
    Cmon, this is not even funny.
    5cm82e.jpg
    Old "Blood and Sand: Unchained" quest
    Played more than 100 000 times!
    > TRY IT NOW!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ecy4o6JqLc
  • nephtnepht Member Posts: 5,826 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    lanessar13 wrote: »
    Bans cannot be automated. Period.

    Yes they can. Cryptic have been using automated chat bans on their chat server for years now.

    This seems to almost the same. This so wont be abused :I
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  • tilt42tilt42 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    As I said several posts ago, today's patch removes this exploit. No need to keep fretting over it. They tried something that obviously didn't work out, and removed it in the first patch afterwards.
  • volcxxxvolcxxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    tilt42 wrote: »
    As I said several posts ago, today's patch removes this exploit. No need to keep fretting over it. They tried something that obviously didn't work out, and removed it in the first patch afterwards.


    Yes, but becouse of their "testing" Your Hidden Blade and mine Bloody Pit are not in trash, invisible for people.
    5cm82e.jpg
    Old "Blood and Sand: Unchained" quest
    Played more than 100 000 times!
    > TRY IT NOW!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ecy4o6JqLc
  • tilt42tilt42 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Eh, that was speculation on my part, if nothing else. For all I know they removed the old featured quests on purpose so as to not clutter up the interface, but it would be nice to hear from Cryptic about this.
  • volcxxxvolcxxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    fck this, i am removing my quests from foundry until they clean this mess
    5cm82e.jpg
    Old "Blood and Sand: Unchained" quest
    Played more than 100 000 times!
    > TRY IT NOW!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ecy4o6JqLc
  • tilt42tilt42 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    volcxxx wrote: »
    fck this, i am removing my quests from foundry until they clean this mess

    So either you decided not to read any of the posts earlier in this thread, or you're overreacting on purpose by removing your quest for (gasp!) 4 hours. Neither option is very flattering.
  • volcxxxvolcxxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    tilt42 wrote: »
    So either you decided not to read any of the posts earlier in this thread, or you're overreacting on purpose by removing your quest for (gasp!) 4 hours. Neither option is very flattering.

    Yes i am pissed off.
    I am not experimental guinea.
    5cm82e.jpg
    Old "Blood and Sand: Unchained" quest
    Played more than 100 000 times!
    > TRY IT NOW!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ecy4o6JqLc
  • lanessar13lanessar13 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    nepht wrote: »
    Yes they can. Cryptic have been using automated chat bans on their chat server for years now.

    This seems to almost the same. This so wont be abused :I

    What I was saying is that you can't allow the UGC system to be automated for quest removal. If so, you end u with no UGC, and creators won't use it, because of griefing jerks.

    Especially in a F2P title. I have my own domain. I can register millions of accounts. Griefing someone via automated systems would be too easy.
  • incendiarywaveincendiarywave Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I am not experimental guinea.

    No actually, this is an open beta, and all subject to change. The whole point of this is to test.
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  • volcxxxvolcxxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    incendiarywave wrote: »
    No actually, this is an open beta, and all subject to change. The whole point of this is to test.


    No actually, "open beta" is only law protection for any demands/claims/complaints.
    PWE other games like BoI or WoI are in open beta for years.
    "Open beta" politics is different for "free" to play and normal subscription mmo model.
    5cm82e.jpg
    Old "Blood and Sand: Unchained" quest
    Played more than 100 000 times!
    > TRY IT NOW!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ecy4o6JqLc
  • hq33hq33 Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    You basicly unsubscribed yourself for all the users who were doing the content you created volcxxx ... quite confusing if you're not checking the forums multiple times each day.
    But I can 100% understand why you'd want to make your stuff unavailable until **** blows over.

    Automated bans (excluding bots) is an insane thing to do and scored cryptic and PWE a lot of naughty points with pretty much everyone I play with.
  • pnellesenpnellesen Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    [Nevermind]
  • gohlargohlar Member Posts: 73
    edited May 2013
    What a mess the foundry turned out to be and all because some people want to dictate how others play.

    It's just sad.
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