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angryspriteangrysprite Member Posts: 4,982 Arc User
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
It is absolutely NUTS! Everywhere you turn there's some kind of *advertising*. "SPEND REAL MONEY" it screams. It's incessant, it's aggravating and annoying, it's not-stop and some would say borderline obnoxious. And it's always advertising <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. Real garbage! The utter GREED knows no bounds. It interferes with time spent!

Can't I just enjoy things in peace for a moment without being begged to buy this and buy that every couple minutes? Your business practices are absolutely abhorring and you should be completely ashamed of yourself. Business model-shmizness model, I don't care. I am frustrated to no end!

Seriously, forget the "use it free and endure endless proffers to spend real money" nonsense - just let me BUY my way to some peace and quiet away from the constant advertising, already.

In fact, I am so darned FED-UP I'm LEAVING YOU.

It's not a lot better, but at least BING doesn't data-mine me as much as you do and doesn't try to force-feed me into using all their service no matter how much I refuse to. I am so DONE WITH GOOGLE! And you so-called CLICK-BAIT BLOGS are absolutely NUTS-OLA.

Oh, wait... this isCryptic's forums? Pffft. Their efforts are ridiculously tame in comparison. And unlike the world Wide Web I get a massive amount of genuine entertainment here. Hell, I *want* buy stuff from here.

It's just more relevant all around.

//attn: all you Z-Store and lockbox whiners: get a clue. You *Google users, you*.

The whiners and trolls will call me a Cryptic Fan or apologist. Whatever, so be it. I've been a Cryptic fan for the last three years since the beginning of STO. Cryptic has screwed-up at times, but they always have tried to do right by their customers. Simple fact: they are giving you real entertainment worth real money, for *nothing*. If you don't like any part of it: deal with it or GTFO. Srsy. The incessant whining I see all over these forums are really getting crusty and old. If you have such a shameful self-entitlement attitude that that look a gift horse directly in the mouth, go on ahead with it. It reveals your true colors brightly. You know who you are.

@Cryptic, and Perfect World, and to all you managers and developers working so hard:

Thank you. For giving, not selling, but GIVING me, pro-bono huge entrainment that really is worth real money and all you're doing is asking me to buy a few fun little optional trinkets in return. You just go on continuing to remind all of us these trinkets are there every chance you get. I, for one, appreciate it.
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    bobzebrickbobzebrick Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Still can't post a thread here which is a joke I had a genuine issue earlier, but that's another issue.

    I found it quite funny the amount of times I've had the quest "go look at the cash shop" only time my quest path bugged was when I did that quest once and it kept leading me back to the Zen guy, coincidence? Maybe, still there are plenty of better F2P MMOs out there with much more reasonably cash shops than this cash cow, also the PvP here is abhorrent, luckily so because it will probably be filled with the pay to win crowd at 60 anyway. This games PvE is OK, hardly anything revolutionary. Go to X kill X enemy, collect X piece of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> on the floor. Pretty basic stuff, I'll play for a little for free but with how restricted I feel already you won't be getting money from me with this business model.
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    iikkajarviiikkajarvi Member Posts: 36
    edited May 2013
    bobzebrick wrote: »
    Still can't post a thread here which is a joke I had a genuine issue earlier, but that's another issue.

    I found it quite funny the amount of times I've had the quest "go look at the cash shop" only time my quest path bugged was when I did that quest once and it kept leading me back to the Zen guy, coincidence? Maybe, still there are plenty of better F2P MMOs out there with much more reasonably cash shops than this cash cow. Also the PvP here is abhorrent, luckily so because it will probably be filled with the pay to win crowd at 60 anyway. This games PvE is OK, hardly anything revolutionary. Go to X kill X enemy, collect X piece of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> on the floor. Pretty basic stuff, I'll play for a little for free but with how restricted I feel already you won't be getting money from me with this business model.

    Protip: All companies use MMORPGs as cash cows. At least until Red Cross Online makes its beta launch.

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    zuluzulutozuluzuluto Member Posts: 112
    edited May 2013
    I know prostitutes that defend their pimps as rabidly as you defend cryptic.
    If I havent offended you today....dont worry!!!....there's always tomorrow. Of course, you could also go to here for all I care.
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    angryspriteangrysprite Member Posts: 4,982 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    How do you know I'm not the one you already know? ~laughs~
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    primejiveprimejive Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Every time I play a F2P MMO of this variety, I often wonder why they don't have the option for players to buy into a subscription. I would gladly pay a reasonable sub to not be led inevitibley back to a cash shop.
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    iikkajarviiikkajarvi Member Posts: 36
    edited May 2013
    The option of both would be nice where it exists (Turbine currently does this with DDO and LotRO). I think myself that a sub option ought to be available with some perks because it would be easier to make a decision where I give a small portion of my paycheck for several months versus dropping several hundred down at launch. I made that mistake with TOR and I regretted it. If anything, the move to F2P for that game gave me NO benefit as a purchaser and it was the worst system I can think of at the moment.
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    angryspriteangrysprite Member Posts: 4,982 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    CO and STO both have this option, actually. However, they started out as Pay to Play by monthly subscription. I don;t like monthly bills, so I opted for the lifetime one-time payment to both of them (not at the same time, of course! LOL).

    Anyway - they then later converted to free to play. This of course creates a problem - not so much for monthly subscribers as they could just discontinue the subscription thing altogether. HOWEVER, it would be a PR nightmare for Cryptic regarding the life-time account holders.

    So the answer was to create the two tiers of game-play: the "silver" (free to play) and Gold (subscribers/Liftimers) and in the Gold tier to offer a few bonuses (like a free respec at each level, "veteran bonuses" and even some items in C-Store/Z-Store that Silvers must pay for, etc.).

    Neverwinter is different because it is designed from the very beginning to be Free to Play - there was never any subscription and therefore, no reason to offer two tiers of game-play. I was hammering Support for months on how do I buy a lifetime subscription for Neverwinter!? (This was back in February 2012 or something). They finally decided to NOT have subscription/lifetimer tier.

    So that is why there is no second tier of gameplay style. Personally I love the Lifetimer option I have in STO and CO. It's kind of like a lesser version of a Founders Package on a trickle-down format. Either way, since NW is designed from the ground-up as free-to-play, I can now understand why there are such huge economic sinks in the Astral Diamonds and a much larger push toward the Z-Store than you see in STO and CO - and I, frankly, don't blame them one bit.

    Seeing how STO and CO work with two tiers, and understanding how they designed NW (business wise) - everything makes total sense to me now. But in fairness: I have three years experience being a Cryptic Customer so I have a bigger insight and understanding into not only the how things are done, but the WHY things are done.

    Most of those making these complaints simply don't have the same understanding of the history of hows and whys to have a clear picture of the current how and why.
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    iikkajarviiikkajarvi Member Posts: 36
    edited May 2013
    Oh you're right, I forgot CO and STO had subscriptions. It's been awhile since I even had to worry about that.
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    primejiveprimejive Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Yea. It just feels like there is no end to the money sink without a sub, which is why I usually never start. $5-$10 here & there & you still feel like you've gotten nowhere.
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    primejiveprimejive Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It's like that relative that always hits you up for money. Everytime they start talking, you're just waiting for them to get to the part where they play all "oh, by the way, I hate to ask but can you slide a little cash my way, I'm in a pinch at the moment."

    That's how I feel playing these games. The contant feeling of being grifted.
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    iikkajarviiikkajarvi Member Posts: 36
    edited May 2013
    At least you don't have to pull an anxious face and pretend like you don't have 20 bucks in your back pocket that you're going to blow on McDonald's. Here at least you can just click around it and continue on with your day.
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    primejiveprimejive Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    iikkajarvi wrote: »
    At least you don't have to pull an anxious face and pretend like you don't have 20 bucks in your back pocket that you're going to blow on McDonald's. Here at least you can just click around it and continue on with your day.

    :D There is that. Kind of funny, I was just hit up for cash the other day by a relative & said I was busted. Then there was the awkward conversation as they bumped into a friend in common who told them I just scored some tix to the Bob Dylan/Wilco show.

    Lol - At least they know where they stand now... heh.
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