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morvek01
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why not keep the heal penalty when solo? remove it when in a full group? allow the cleric to be healed without penalty when in a full party? If the cleric is doing their role well, no one in group should need to use many health pots, then neither should the cleric need to use many of them. It's been stated by the devs that the penalty was to balance out the costs of health pots that every other class would have to purchase. fine. If the cleric is somewhat negating the cost of potions when in a group for everyone else, then that benefit should affect the cleric themselves as well.
If you can't be constructive in your criticism, go back to world-of-whiners.
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I have no idea what 'sweet spot' they are looking for class balance. How many pots should every class have to drink per encounter? 0.6 ? What is there drop rate, what is silver dropped per encounter : cost of that tier of potion
Pretty sure that is the math and balance they are trying to strike. If you feel you cannot solo at all, then they either screwed up on their end, or you fail miserably. Time will tell.
Problem is, it is very relative to what encounter powers you use. When I went 3 dps, the fights were fast, but I had to pot 1-2 times to have full HP for next pull. As bad as HW seems, it is very good at that specific task, it just won't be enough to save you in combat.
Sometimes a fast farm is worth the pot consumption, but in my experience it was not maintainable. Drinking faster than finding. Daunting / Forge / HW seemed to strike the best balance for me anyways
I agree on this point, but I do have a concern. I plan to have a DC and a GF. I fear for my GF due to what I have been seeing over the past 3 BWE's where the majority of clerics go dps mode in groups and expect me (as a GF tank) to burn all my pots. This has me concerned about the availability of tanks for pugging if this mentality becomes the norm. It was a major reason that I became a guild only tank in games like WoW.
The reduction in the self healing will, at some level, reduce a cleric's dependence on self healing in solo content (which is the majority of content). This is training them to use less healing spells, so when they go into a group I fear this habit may spill over. I'm not saying all clerics play this way, just what I have seen from my experience as a GF, particularly in the last BWE.
Cheers!
Its really a moot point at that time because there wasn't much heal aggro either. Why they 'tweaked' both. Just had disastrous results
I would rather have the 50% penalty than play by the usual rules of getting 0% from a heal on another target.
Beta is all about trying to get the balance correct, and they are still making changes and collecting data. Last beta's set was useless.
As for the 'dps cleric issue' , if they aren't using Div+Forge on your main target tank, then they fail lol. It keeps a heavy snare and healing aura up, which both extremely benefit the GF and any melee dps.
We know what it is you were saying and we still disagree. You used loaded phrases like "altered for fairness" and "(it will ALWAYS be more for a cleric no matter if playing solo or in a group if the penalty doesn't change)" as if they were simple fact, which they are not. YOUR observations are not gospel.
Clerics DONT always use more potions than other classes. Even in BW3 when Cleric aggro was bugged I still used FAR less potions on my Cleric than any other Class (I tried them all). The fact that we have healing AT ALL makes us less dependent on potions because we can heal up between fights for free and during fights we're constantly regenerating health while we nuke mobs into the floor. And now that the aggro bug is fixed we will need potions EVEN LESS when in groups. Mobs won't be attacking us, the GF and GWF will be tanking everything if they know what they're doing.
That's a legitimate concern which I share, but I don't think it will be as bad as you fear. The fact is even if a Cleric goes all dps powers, most of those powers still have a secondary heal effect. Even if they find a way to avoid all healing whatsoever, then you now have a pure dps character and you should either go into the dungeon expecting to need to supply your own healing with Fighters Recovery and some temp-hp-generating powers, or find an actual healer.
Remember that Neverwinter is not like WoW with the Holy Trinity. A lack of healing means an abundance of something else (in this case DPS) and you must be flexible enough to use that to your advantage.