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Drow and GWF?

comicaldemoncomicaldemon Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 38
edited March 2013 in The Militia Barracks
Do you guys think the Drow race will be a decent race to be used with the GWF class?
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  • stoermcstoermc Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 162 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2013
    If you are asking wether the Drow racial bonuses are good for Great Weapon Fighters, then the answer would be a definite no. For a GWF, you probably would want anything that gives STR primarily and (depending on how good crit for the GWF is..) DEX.
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  • comicaldemoncomicaldemon Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 38
    edited February 2013
    stoermc wrote: »
    If you are asking wether the Drow racial bonuses are good for Great Weapon Fighters, then the answer would be a definite no. For a GWF, you probably would want anything that gives STR primarily and (depending on how good crit for the GWF is..) DEX.

    I know, I just really want to be able to wear the mez drow armor from the Hero of The North pack with my main. I guess thats just something I'll have to sacrifice.
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  • stoermcstoermc Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 162 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2013
    Yeah, you're probably going to sacrifice a few percent of potential damage output in exchange for the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> look of the Drow. I am kinda on the same page with Tieflings. Doesn't make sense for a Trickster Rogue at all, but I really love their visuals. Will wait for the launch though, in regards to that decision.
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  • vampirialvampirial Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    comicaldemon wrote: »
    I know, I just really want to be able to wear the mez drow armor from the Hero of The North pack with my main. I guess thats just something I'll have to sacrifice.

    Just to note, you dont get that armor with the hero of the north pack, all you get is the race, the tattoo/s and the faerie fire. nowhere does it state you get that drow armor (It used to say Cosmetics which gave me hope for the armor, then they changed it)
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  • comicaldemoncomicaldemon Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 38
    edited February 2013
    vampirial wrote: »
    Just to note, you dont get that armor with the hero of the north pack, all you get is the race, the tattoo/s and the faerie fire. nowhere does it state you get that drow armor (It used to say Cosmetics which gave me hope for the armor, then they changed it)

    Ohhhh, I thought the cosmetics meant the armor as well. I also did not know they changed it. Looks like I'll just have to stick with a Human or Half-Orc if it is released at launch then.
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  • vampirialvampirial Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Comican are you a Hero of the north or a guardian (OR BOTH :) ) just when you were talking about Hero of the North pack but have the Guardian Title.

    also FYI anyone else have a sneaky feeling that the Menzo Renegades we get wont have the Black/dark grey skin and white hair but will infact have blonde hair and light brown skin?
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  • comicaldemoncomicaldemon Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 38
    edited February 2013
    vampirial wrote: »
    Comican are you a Hero of the north or a guardian (OR BOTH :) ) just when you were talking about Hero of the North pack but have the Guardian Title.

    also FYI anyone else have a sneaky feeling that the Menzo Renegades we get wont have the Black/dark grey skin and white hair but will infact have blonde hair and light brown skin?

    I am both Guardian and Hero of The North, and I believe it was stated that the normal drow race for everyone else will be the Vanilla version, so my guess is we get the dark skinned drow.
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  • braxzanabraxzana Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 215 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    anyone else have a sneaky feeling that the Menzo Renegades we get wont have the Black/dark grey skin and white hair but will infact have blonde hair and light brown skin?

    If by "sneaky feeling" you mean DREAD then YES. I want a deep indigo skin with white hair (and light blue eyes). A drow with brown skin and blonde hair hardly seems worthy of the name.
  • quorforgedquorforged Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    comicaldemon wrote: »
    I am both Guardian and Hero of The North, and I believe it was stated that the normal drow race for everyone else will be the Vanilla version, so my guess is we get the dark skinned drow.

    It's Vanilla as in the standard version, not as in the color. My understanding is that standard drow have black skin, not brown.
    braxzana wrote: »
    If by "sneaky feeling" you mean DREAD then YES. I want a deep indigo skin with white hair (and light blue eyes). A drow with brown skin and blonde hair hardly seems worthy of the name.

    Is there a setting reason why the renegade Drow wouldn't have the usual Drow black skin?
  • comicaldemoncomicaldemon Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 38
    edited February 2013
    quorforged wrote: »
    It's Vanilla as in the standard version, not as in the color. My understanding is that standard drow have black skin, not brown.?

    Ahh ok, I misunderstood that one then, sorry.
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  • heathenhammer9heathenhammer9 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 144 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2013
    If you look at the picture advertised with the Renegades, they look like standard Drow. There is absolutely nothing to hint at a remote possibility they're making Drow into 4th edition Dark Elves. It even advertises "like Drizzt.." and Drizzt is clearly a standard Drow.

    The Menzo Renegades were exiled from Menzo, so I would assume they look like Menzo Drow.
  • heathenhammer9heathenhammer9 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 144 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2013
    If anything, I'd be more concerned that the "vanilla Drow" will be the surface elves, unless they are fine with the swarm of chaotic evil Drow rising to the surface to do heroic deeds for Neverwinter lol...
  • quorforgedquorforged Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    heathenhammer9 wrote: »
    If anything, I'd be more concerned that the "vanilla Drow" will be the surface elves, unless they are fine with the swarm of chaotic evil Drow rising to the surface to do heroic deeds for Neverwinter lol...

    They probably don't care that much. People want to play Drow, so they'll be able to. MMOs ignore the implications of having such a huge population of adventurers compared to non-adventurers, to begin with. That a higher proportion of those adventurers are Drow than makes sense in the setting is a rather trivial concern in comparison.
  • vampirialvampirial Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    heathenhammer9 wrote: »
    If you look at the picture advertised with the Renegades, they look like standard Drow. There is absolutely nothing to hint at a remote possibility they're making Drow into 4th edition Dark Elves. It even advertises "like Drizzt.." and Drizzt is clearly a standard Drow.

    The Menzo Renegades were exiled from Menzo, so I would assume they look like Menzo Drow.

    Could you please look again at this picture next to the Menzoberanzan Renegade http://nw.perfectworld.com/founderspack/hero if you think they look like True Drow (and Drizzt by that token) Im slightly confused, I thought that True Drow had Black Skin and white hair (the ones that live/d in the underdark) the ones I feel we Heroes are getting are the ones that were Redeemed and freed from LLoth's grasp (the ones that became Black/blonde haired and light brown skin)
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  • voidwatcherxvoidwatcherx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Silverstars Posts: 128 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2013
    vampirial wrote: »
    Could you please look again at this picture next to the Menzoberanzan Renegade http://nw.perfectworld.com/founderspack/hero if you think they look like True Drow (and Drizzt by that token) Im slightly confused, I thought that True Drow had Black Skin and white hair (the ones that live/d in the underdark) the ones I feel we Heroes are getting are the ones that were Redeemed and freed from LLoth's grasp (the ones that became Black/blonde haired and light brown skin)

    You worry and fret a bit overly much over a single image. You could also look at the image right below where a Drow sits atop the spider mount. Black skin and white hair. It is easy to start letting your imagination run rampant.

    As for Drow GWF, you got one here. I don't care much for the min/maxing about it. I'll still cut things up like no tomorrow. In PVP as well no doubt.
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  • comicaldemoncomicaldemon Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 38
    edited February 2013
    voidwatcherx wrote: »
    You worry and fret a bit overly much over a single image. You could also look at the image right below where a Drow sits atop the spider mount. Black skin and white hair. It is easy to start letting your imagination run rampant.

    As for Drow GWF, you got one here. I don't care much for the min/maxing about it. I'll still cut things up like no tomorrow. In PVP as well no doubt.

    Thats what I'm leaning towards. You can stack your stats the exact same way as you would be using a human right?
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  • heathenhammer9heathenhammer9 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 144 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2013
    vampirial wrote: »
    Could you please look again at this picture next to the Menzoberanzan Renegade http://nw.perfectworld.com/founderspack/hero if you think they look like True Drow (and Drizzt by that token) Im slightly confused, I thought that True Drow had Black Skin and white hair (the ones that live/d in the underdark) the ones I feel we Heroes are getting are the ones that were Redeemed and freed from LLoth's grasp (the ones that became Black/blonde haired and light brown skin)

    If you look at pretty much EVERY picture of Drow in D&D handbooks, Forgotten Realms novels, games, etc. they pretty much all show Drow as having greyish-black skin or purplish looking skin. They like to describe them as "Obsidian skinned", but the only book/game I know of that has actually made them pitch black was Neverwinter Nights 2.

    There also hasn't been a single hint or acknowledgement that there are so-called "redeemed drow" aka dark elves in this setting. If you want to get technical, they are comparing the menzo renegade to Drizzt, and he wasn't redeemed by Eilistraee's sacrifice; he retained the Drow features.

    The artwork for Drow has changed so much over the years, and it really is based on who the artist is. I've seen Drizzt drawn on books with anywhere from light purple skin to dark brown skin.
  • infrasoundxinfrasoundx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 33
    edited February 2013
    yes Rlyd Agrith was... wait he died.. :< Loved those books.
  • witchzerowitchzero Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 49
    edited February 2013
    You can see how Drow look in game in this video. http://youtu.be/aDtlkX9W0XU

    Go to 18:00 and they start fighting Drow. Basically they are black skin, white hair. You should be able to change your skin and hair color to several different shades and colors on character creation.
  • ironzerg79ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Also, I'm under the impression that starting stats won't matter nearly as much in the game as they do in PnP. Which is a good thing, makes your choice of race more of a cosmetic/flavor thing, than a /LF1M GWF tower raid must be dwarf.
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  • muzrub333muzrub333 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    comicaldemon wrote: »
    I know, I just really want to be able to wear the mez drow armor from the Hero of The North pack with my main. I guess thats just something I'll have to sacrifice.

    Play what you want, it's most likely that everyone will be able to find gear to max stats, so in the end it won't matter.
  • comicaldemoncomicaldemon Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 38
    edited February 2013
    muzrub333 wrote: »
    Play what you want, it's most likely that everyone will be able to find gear to max stats, so in the end it won't matter.

    This is also true, I guess I will have to make my final decision when it comes down to the launch.
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  • zakzyazakzya Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I would guess Drow would have Dex primary bonus and maybe strength secondary. So theoretically, ya Drow could probably work with GF. Is it going to be the best for the class, probably not.
  • dreadsheparddreadshepard Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Part of me wants to roll Drow gwf more because you don't get +2 str, Drow is just win.
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  • arnathosarnathos Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    When you watch the clip they do say the Heroes of the North Founders pack gives you an "Exclusive Drow Costume" and when you see the drow, they are of dark skin with white hair.

    Also based on what I have saw in last beta week end and the several posts in the forums, your primary stats don't make that big of a deal. Chose whatever race you want and then get gear with the required/desired stats.
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  • elminbanelminban Member Posts: 187 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    While a fallacy, this confusion is a good reason to make warforge or dragon born the pay to play race in HotN.

    Also, the Drow on the spider mount in that pic is the tan skin blonde hair male from above.
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  • reilz1981reilz1981 Member Posts: 512 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    arnathos wrote: »
    When you watch the clip they do say the Heroes of the North Founders pack gives you an "Exclusive Drow Costume"

    cool so you get some nice slave robes then? lol
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  • kotlikotli Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 577
    edited March 2013
    heathenhammer9 wrote: »
    snip: They like to describe them as "Obsidian skinned", but the only book/game I know of that has actually made them pitch black was Neverwinter Nights 2.
    snip

    Well the thing is Obsidian is a range of colours depending on the makeup, its anything from dark brown to black, there are rare cases of almost colourless Obsidian. Some pieces can have weird optical effects like so called rainbow and golden Obsidian, but this is just a trick from the makeup of the rock.
  • lanessar13lanessar13 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Actually, the stacking on STR and DEX isn't going to be the be-all end-all of GWF builds. You also need recovery, so that you can use your encounters faster. Thus, arranging a build to rapidly recharge your heavy hitters and add to action point generation is going to be far more effective DPS-wise than +20 power to an at-will.

    Which would you rather have?

    Ability X (heavy hitter) able to be used every 10 seconds for 500 damage
    AND a daily which is usable every 45 seconds.

    or

    +1 to "at-will" damage, usable twice every second (for a total of +20 damage over 10 seconds)
    Ability X (heavy hitter) able to be used every 14 seconds for 500 damage
    daily which is usable every 60 seconds.
  • voidwatcherxvoidwatcherx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Silverstars Posts: 128 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2013
    Drow Great Weapon Fighter right here. Many people will definetly love the high end action and gritty combat the class has to offer.
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