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I would like to talk about [Chromatic Elemental Strand] drop rate.
As we know, Elemental Strands have drop limited by 30 second cooldown. I found it annoying when I’m getting Chromatic strands few times in a row, because I selected specific location to farm one kind of strands that I need. Besides, we have plenty guilds with lvl 20 and all maxed structures. For players in such guilds these strands have no big value. There is also a group of people without guild who don’t want to be in any guild for some reasons. In this case this is obsolete value for them. I have two propositions and I would like to know what do you think about it.

Proposition 1:

Remove Chromatic strands from all maps beside stronghold map. Chromatic strands would be drop exclusively on stronghold map.

OR

Proposition 2:

Make Chromatic strands exchangeable to any other type of strand. The description says it has essence of all dragons, so why not exchange it for type I need.

There is already proper NPC.
Of course, would be still possible to donate it to mimic.

Comments

  • muschellka#7783 muschellka Member Posts: 96 Arc User
    edited June 22
    I've actually have enough of this!

    I don't know who's touching those sliders over there, but I don't think he's taken his meds lately.
    Out of 5 groups of mobs with a 30 sec timer I get this HAMSTER 5 times. I don't want it, I don't need it for anything, it just makes it longer for me to farm the elementals, which I need.

    How could you even add this HAMSTER, knowing that guilds are full of all currencies and you not planning to do anything with stronghold in the near future?
    What is the purpose of this? To HAMSTER players off and waste their time?
    In addition many times falling out of this HAMSTER doubles the timer of the next group...
    As usual with you: lazy, HAMSTER work....
  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
    edited June 28

    I would like to talk about [Chromatic Elemental Strand] drop rate.

    ...

    Proposition 1:

    Remove Chromatic strands from all maps beside stronghold map. Chromatic strands would be drop exclusively on stronghold map.

    OR

    Proposition 2:

    Make Chromatic strands exchangeable to any other type of strand. The description says it has essence of all dragons, so why not exchange it for type I need.

    There is already proper NPC.
    Of course, would be still possible to donate it to mimic.


    I'm fine with how it is today, and while I don't think Proposition 1 is very good; your #2 it at least a possibility... ...yet you'd likely only get 1/4th the amount, maybe 1/2 if lucky by exchanging them this way!

    This would certainly help all players, and wouldn't hurt anyone if they didn't need the Chromatic strands!
    Post edited by strathkin on
  • mintmarkmintmark Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 171 Arc User
    On the other hand the chromatic strands are useful for those who are trying to level a guild. Don't forget that all the previous currencies you could contribute to that category have just been removed. Contributing also helps those doing master crafting (they need the guild marks).

    They should just be in the exchange... then everyone can do something with them.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 10,971 Arc User
    For those who don't need to build the guild anymore, that can give you guild mark and then you can use the guild mark to buy +10% damage to dragon and +10% dragon damage reduction overload enchantment.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • muschellka#7783 muschellka Member Posts: 96 Arc User
    I have enough guild marks, I don't need more. There is enough of these useless stronghold vouchers in shitboxes. I also know what I can buy for GM.
    There is definitely an imbalance in how much of this junk falls out.
    Yesterday I was farming decayeds and out of 2500 decayeds I got over 600 chromatic elementals which was annoying and increased farming time by 30%.
    I don't like being made happy by force
    I don't want it.
  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 6,611 Arc User
    They have to cater to all the players. Not just the vocal, or the streamers.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • muschellka#7783 muschellka Member Posts: 96 Arc User
    edited June 24
    If everyone else, I guess that means me too?
    So what's stopping them (besides your opinion) from adding an exchange?

    edit:

    I'm just wondering if you are dedicated defender of poor decisions, do you even doing this content?
    Do you farming thousands of needed components for tier 3 modifiers, or are you just bullshitting to disagree with people who find this problematic?
  • mithmyrrmithmyrr Member Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited June 27

    If everyone else, I guess that means me too?
    So what's stopping them (besides your opinion) from adding an exchange?

    edit:

    I'm just wondering if you are dedicated defender of poor decisions, do you even doing this content?
    Do you farming thousands of needed components for tier 3 modifiers, or are you just bullshitting to disagree with people who find this problematic?

    I'd care about what you have to say if you hadn't originally come in swearing up a storm and not caring about anyone but yourself. Should there be an exchange (standard 400 chromatic for 100 other type, then a 100 of each other for 100 chromatic)? Yes. Should you have access to it? No. An exchange for everyone but you, as your only response is to insult others and care only for yourself.
  • muschellka#7783 muschellka Member Posts: 96 Arc User
    Oh, dear. I think I'm gonna cry. How bad I am. A real dark character. Be sure to write to support, maybe they will take your suggestion into consideration, I wish you luck <3

    By the way. Is it possible to offend someone by telling the truth?

    Half of the people who comment on absolutely every topic, not playing actual content at all. But they still know everything about any subject. Even though none really applies to them. Because they care a lot about others, who like them, not doing this content...

    Just lol :)
  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 6,611 Arc User
    Because you perceive something to be true does not, in actuality, make it true.

    And how do you know who is playing what content?
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • muschellka#7783 muschellka Member Posts: 96 Arc User
    Because I can correlate facts.
    And I can also search for a specific character/account in the game, see what items that character has, which always infallibly shows me what someone has done in the game.
    Usually my bitter adversaries are wearing yuma stuff or items few mods olds.
    Simple conclusion: they don't even try to deal with current content, about which (in their opinion) they know more than me.
  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 6,611 Arc User
    You remind me of someone back when they fixed the chest view before expending the key. They commented that I must not be making use of it because of the gear my character was using at the time. It was someone that I had run with a few times, been in zones when they were, etc. I had to point out to them that the character I was on was #7 of 8. A character that, to this day, still isn't high on my list of characters to gear up.

    How do you know the character you are looking at is a priority to the player?
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • mintmarkmintmark Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 171 Arc User
    I really don't see what the problem is. Sometimes you get chromatic strands and it means you have to farm a bit longer before you can update your modifier. You might as well complain that the quantity of strands that drop is too small, or that the amount you need for the modifier is too large... Isn't it all equivalent? I'm just collecting them as I do other things and they build up quite quickly.

    Just like my mythic insignia upgrade from skill nodes 😀😀
  • muschellka#7783 muschellka Member Posts: 96 Arc User
    greywynd said:

    You remind me of someone back when they fixed the chest view before expending the key. They commented that I must not be making use of it because of the gear my character was using at the time. It was someone that I had run with a few times, been in zones when they were, etc. I had to point out to them that the character I was on was #7 of 8. A character that, to this day, still isn't high on my list of characters to gear up.

    How do you know the character you are looking at is a priority to the player?

    Hmm...
    I have a quite few alts and each one is better or worse cared for. On this account I didn't run normal a lot vos, I focused on hardcore right away because I wanted band of air. As a result i have only few legendary rings, not enough for all alts.
    But... Usually +2 and +3 are much better than any other rings in the game. So most of my alts have them.

    I had to focus on items for my main character, so I farmed lures at t1, t2 and t3. Practically all my alts have something from these hunts.

    As you know some items from mini bosses are still viable for endgame. Drop has been nerfed so much that it is a huge pain in HAMSTER to get something useful. I still need boots with combat... But... Almost all my alts have items from minibosses.

    I won't dwell on weapons, because each class has its own specifics and not every weapon is from endgame dung or trial.

    For now, I don't farm ancient dragons too intensively, because I don't have much time and I want to get all the modifiers I need first. But even with such a weak approach I have single mythic items on three or four characters...

    In a nutshell, this is part of the reason why it is easy to tell what someone is doing in game.
    Hypothetically, there is no way that, if you caring for only one character, you could have nothing for the alts
  • muschellka#7783 muschellka Member Posts: 96 Arc User
    mintmark said:

    I really don't see what the problem is. Sometimes you get chromatic strands and it means you have to farm a bit longer before you can update your modifier. You might as well complain that the quantity of strands that drop is too small, or that the amount you need for the modifier is too large... Isn't it all equivalent? I'm just collecting them as I do other things and they build up quite quickly.

    Just like my mythic insignia upgrade from skill nodes 😀😀

    Because I play more than one character and make modifiers for more than one. It costs me a hell of a lot of AD and time, so it's really frustrating when my time is still wasted on completely useless HAMSTER.

    I have no reason to return to old locations with those characters, I not enjoying it, and I’m not doing anything "by the way".

    On top of that, I have to deal very often with people who try to use my character to do something on the map that they can't do by themselves... The result is known: the game idiotically divides the already small number of elementals by half… It’s enough when someone just touch one mob in the group before elementals will be given.

    The farm takes forever. Hours of unimaginable boredom. Are you surprised I'm angry? This is a stupid project, completely thoughtlessly made. Or maliciously.
  • mithmyrrmithmyrr Member Posts: 14 Arc User

    The farm takes forever. Hours of unimaginable boredom. Are you surprised I'm angry? This is a stupid project, completely thoughtlessly made. Or maliciously.

    So you have never played an MMO before, or this one.

    You think they are useless, but the actually are not. They just don't have a use for you. The idea of being able to exchange them is nice, but surrounded by a bunch of unearned narcissism, making nobody care what you have to say.

    Go back to your guild, where you can sit afk autofollowing until you die, then pick up rewards when your guildies finish the dungeon/trial or whatever content.
  • muschellka#7783 muschellka Member Posts: 96 Arc User
    I've been playing this game for nine years... Unlike you, venomous specialist.
    So far you have not written anything mertorical besides your personal pathetic malice.
    Report me to support and don't forget to tell them not to turn on my exchange under any circumstances.
    And go have fun somewhere else.
    You are as boring as this farm.


    Chromatics by their lack of exchange and poor value have no use to anyone, defender of the oppressed.


  • badnickname#3262 badnickname Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    On my tank I have unlocked three t3 modifiers. During this time, I earned 4 133 Chromatic Elemental Strands. One strand is worth not even 1 guild mark. It’s worth… 1/3 guild mark.



    The value of this currency is questionable for me. I know that after changes in Tyranny of the Dragons there should be some kind of curency to build stronghold, but it should be done in other way. It could drop only on stronghold map and from heroics there. Also, ratio beetwen amount of currency and coffer gain & guild marks should be better. Now I have 4k of useless currency which won’t change anything in my alliance. Instead, I could have one modifier unlocked more...
  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
    edited June 30
    strathkin said:

    I would like to talk about [Chromatic Elemental Strand] drop rate.

    ...

    Proposition 1:

    Remove Chromatic strands from all maps beside stronghold map. Chromatic strands would be drop exclusively on stronghold map.

    OR

    Proposition 2:

    Make Chromatic strands exchangeable to any other type of strand. The description says it has essence of all dragons, so why not exchange it for type I need.

    There is already proper NPC.
    Of course, would be still possible to donate it to mimic.


    I'm fine with how it is today, and while I don't think Proposition 1 is very good; your #2 it at least a possibility... ...yet you'd likely only get 1/4th the amount, maybe 1/2 if lucky by exchanging them this way!

    This would certainly help all players, and wouldn't hurt anyone if they didn't need the Chromatic strands!
    @mushellka
    I never disagreed with the OP suggestion, though I don't think the way to handle it is the first.

    People that want to farm this currency still can today, they just need to go to the correct map to do so! Also Guild Leader's could also organize a weekly event for an hour for everyone to run and defeat enemy together in parties of 5, forming 2, 3, 4x or more parties lead by Various Guild Leadership to help farm.

    Now what everyone donates would be up to them, which is their choice. Restricting Chromatic Elemental Shards though to Stronghold would see people donating far less, not more - why I didn't like the first suggestion. Still I do think they should improve the drop rates & yes even the Guild marks they give!
    Post edited by strathkin on
  • muschellka#7783 muschellka Member Posts: 96 Arc User
    There's no need to go to a specific map, as this junk can be found on any map from any type of mob.
    That's what's wrong.
    If I have to farm a specific currency on a specific map with specific mobs, why people who need chromatics can't farms on specific map (stronghold)?
  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
    edited June 30
    Well you can still farm them, just you're supposed to earn far less of those I suspect. By correct map, I meant to focus on the shard's you lowest on. Limiting them only to stronghold wouldn't be fair, especially if others needed to earn them, and if there was a map that dropped only them, then you wouldn't likely see more than you do today using the current method.

    Note: People also donate far less if they limited it to Stronghold, at least currently you can earn them everywhere.

    It's why it's best to just ask Guildies to donate what they can, yet most are likely saving them first for their gear... ...still as more earn all the gear then they'll have little less options, so more will donate to guild but that's less likely when people still need stuff.

    So more will likely donate to Guild in time!
    Post edited by strathkin on
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 10,971 Arc User
    edited June 30
    strathkin said:

    Well you can still farm them, just you're supposed to earn far less of those I suspect. By correct map, I meant to focus on the shard's you lowest on. Limiting them only to stronghold wouldn't be fair, especially if others needed to earn them, and if there was a map that dropped only them, then you wouldn't likely see more than you do today using the current method.

    It's why it's best to just ask Guildies to donate what they can, yet most are likely saving them first for their gear... ...still as more earn all the gear then they'll have little less options, so more will donate to guild but that's less likely when people still need stuff.

    So more will likely donate to Guild in time!

    It is either I am missing or you are missing something. Chromatic Elemental Strand cannot be used for gear. Chromatic Elemental Strand can only be donated. Unless one is waiting for 2xGuild mark event to get more guild mark, there is not too many reason to save them.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
    edited June 30

    strathkin said:

    Well you can still farm them, just you're supposed to earn far less of those I suspect. By correct map, I meant to focus on the shard's you lowest on. Limiting them only to stronghold wouldn't be fair, especially if others needed to earn them, and if there was a map that dropped only them, then you wouldn't likely see more than you do today using the current method.

    It's why it's best to just ask Guildies to donate what they can, yet most are likely saving them first for their gear... ...still as more earn all the gear then they'll have little less options, so more will donate to guild but that's less likely when people still need stuff.

    So more will likely donate to Guild in time!

    It is either I am missing or you are missing something. Chromatic Elemental Strand cannot be used for gear. Chromatic Elemental Strand can only be donated. Unless one is waiting for 2xGuild mark event to get more guild mark, there is not too many reason to save them.
    By saving for first Gear, I meant they are waiting to save up the other currencies to buy their Armor, Rings, etc... ...also most won't donate till they have earned a fair stack Chromatic. Is that 2,500; 5,000; 10,000--depends on the person. That's all I meant, and yes most always wait for next 2x Guild Marks to donate them!

    Still the advice is good, you can organize going to any map that drops Elemental Shard's, just find one that drops the Shards more people need, and organize groups to go out and defeat enemy! You'll always earn Chromatic Elemental everywhere, it just drops a little less.

    They did it this way, so people could earn them on all maps. If they restricted to Stronghold, you'd see far less donations, as people don't spend great deals of time at Stronghold; most want to do their campaign area's, or do Dungeons, Trials, and Skirmishes! I'm open to #2 option the OP had, and be fine if they slightly increased the drop rate for Chromatic Elemental Shards. Yet my 3 main character's I already have 2,750-5,000 already and it's two weeks?

    I know they are redoing/changing the Diagon Hunt on Stronghold. Perhaps that will also give something? :*
    Post edited by strathkin on
  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 6,611 Arc User
    People mostly do stronghold when there's a driving need for things like Influence.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
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