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  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,092 Arc User

    Me too need to understand the server on which i play, i'm italian in Italy, and don't understand why a friend of mine in the same city block and i, we can't play together, our characters are invisible, one to the other.
    So anyone know how to solve, or at least to understand the thing?

    There are two servers on the PC:There is Dragon (international) and Drider (Russian)
    also a dedicated server for consoles.
    You both need to be on one of these servers.
    In the event you are both on the same server, any possibility one or the other of you have yourself set to invisible?
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • micky1p00micky1p00 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,594 Arc User

    Me too need to understand the server on which i play, i'm italian in Italy, and don't understand why a friend of mine in the same city block and i, we can't play together, our characters are invisible, one to the other.
    So anyone know how to solve, or at least to understand the thing?

    On the same server there are instances, you need to be in the same instance as your friend. Instances are like mini-servers on the same big server.

    Near the minimap, at the top right, there is a small button "change instance" click it, you will see what instance number you are and you can swap to the same one with your friend (ask them what number they are on)
  • jana#2651 jana Member Posts: 597 Arc User
    I was told by some Cubans in Long Beach "if you want to see the real Cuba and it's beauty go now while Fidel is alive. After his death it will be walmarts and strip malls and will look like it does here." They only came for a business opportunity. As for the war in Ukraine, it is horrible like all the wars we cause. If we had taken down the nuclear warheads in Poland, placed there a little over a year ago, there wouldn't be one going on. As far as I know Putin never faked a scenario like the 9/11 'terrorist' attacks as an excuse to go to war. He didn't want to go to war in the Ukraine, his ministers did and they are as much as a representative govt. as we are. Which is not much of a democracy either. Russia does have oligarchs, what do you call the one percent of the population in the U.S. that owns 90 % of the wealth?
  • mentinmindmakermentinmindmaker Member Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    jana#2651 said:

    I was told by some Cubans in Long Beach "if you want to see the real Cuba and it's beauty go now while Fidel is alive. After his death it will be walmarts and strip malls and will look like it does here." They only came for a business opportunity. As for the war in Ukraine, it is horrible like all the wars we cause. If we had taken down the nuclear warheads in Poland, placed there a little over a year ago, there wouldn't be one going on. As far as I know Putin never faked a scenario like the 9/11 'terrorist' attacks as an excuse to go to war. He didn't want to go to war in the Ukraine, his ministers did and they are as much as a representative govt. as we are. Which is not much of a democracy either. Russia does have oligarchs, what do you call the one percent of the population in the U.S. that owns 90 % of the wealth?

    Russian troll factory? Russian propaganda ministry employee?
  • micky1p00micky1p00 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,594 Arc User
    edited March 2022

    jana#2651 said:

    I was told by some Cubans in Long Beach "if you want to see the real Cuba and it's beauty go now while Fidel is alive. After his death it will be walmarts and strip malls and will look like it does here." They only came for a business opportunity. As for the war in Ukraine, it is horrible like all the wars we cause. If we had taken down the nuclear warheads in Poland, placed there a little over a year ago, there wouldn't be one going on. As far as I know Putin never faked a scenario like the 9/11 'terrorist' attacks as an excuse to go to war. He didn't want to go to war in the Ukraine, his ministers did and they are as much as a representative govt. as we are. Which is not much of a democracy either. Russia does have oligarchs, what do you call the one percent of the population in the U.S. that owns 90 % of the wealth?

    Russian troll factory? Russian propaganda ministry employee?
    You know, I really hope it's one of those. Otherwise I'm scared of what thought process (or lack thereof) makes someone to believe these things. I'm even more scared that in proper democracy we all have the same vote weight.
  • vital111111#1745 vital111111 Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    Hello everybody.
    I have another question, is it a common situation at the international forum that developers ignore one of the popular topics (based on the number of views)?
    Especially since the issue is not political, but purely technical.
    If you agree that this situation shows disrespect to the gaming community, please share this topic with your friends, guilds, game discords, and possibly other games in this studio.

  • vital111111#1745 vital111111 Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    micky1p00 said:

    jana#2651 said:

    I was told by some Cubans in Long Beach "if you want to see the real Cuba and it's beauty go now while Fidel is alive. After his death it will be walmarts and strip malls and will look like it does here." They only came for a business opportunity. As for the war in Ukraine, it is horrible like all the wars we cause. If we had taken down the nuclear warheads in Poland, placed there a little over a year ago, there wouldn't be one going on. As far as I know Putin never faked a scenario like the 9/11 'terrorist' attacks as an excuse to go to war. He didn't want to go to war in the Ukraine, his ministers did and they are as much as a representative govt. as we are. Which is not much of a democracy either. Russia does have oligarchs, what do you call the one percent of the population in the U.S. that owns 90 % of the wealth?

    Russian troll factory? Russian propaganda ministry employee?
    You know, I really hope it's one of those. Otherwise I'm scared of what thought process (or lack thereof) makes someone to believe these things. I'm even more scared that in proper democracy we all have the same vote weight.
    Do not feed trolls
  • hadestemplar#9918 hadestemplar Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,176 Arc User


    Especially since the issue is not political, but purely technical.

    Request have 0 technical reasons and 100% political reasons..

    No need hide true intentions.

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  • vital111111#1745 vital111111 Member Posts: 38 Arc User


    Especially since the issue is not political, but purely technical.

    Request have 0 technical reasons and 100% political reasons..

    No need hide true intentions.


  • hydramist176#3517 hydramist176 Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    Whatever is the reason? Why not?
    We remember World of Warcraft, it had Payable transfer to a different server. You could buy and do it whenever u can.
    We know that technicaly its already a working instrument - via copy-paste character to a PTR Server.

    So what is the problem? We should bring out somekind of petition? We can.

    The political reason is that russian nation will understand their great Loss ~ like in a month or even more.
    Europe will hopefully understand that OUR UKRAINIAN PEOPLE ARE PAYING THEIR LIFES for their safety from a bloody dictator.
    The thing is that Vova Nazzy Putler is raising his bid, taking more troops, bombing more infrastructure (terroring our land) in order to get more pressure (from civil people and more fear from civil people) to get in better position.

    The Game was somekind of rest from the whole day of "info war" that we all have right now. And in the game the politics continues. You can't just close all the chats and play alone...then why would you play MMO?
    The main reason is that right now, lots of deprived russians are still believing that their way of Cleansing the earth from Nazzy in Ukraine is the way of war. The are still demonstrating their position even in the game.

    Later I'll collect some info from the game (Even nickname changes to some "-Z-" or something like that)
    And prove my words with screenshots.

    The conflict took out all the skeletons from the wardrobe, u can't play with people u played before, that are now demonstrating that "all your ukrainian people are nazzy and should be eliminated"


    So, This Theme, this forum is a WAY to FIND a PROCEDURE to ISOLATE primates with like themselves. And Evacuate our Ukranian refuges (even other nationality guys and girls) who are being persuaded by their guildmates/server mates for politics reason.
  • hadestemplar#9918 hadestemplar Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,176 Arc User





    You don't want play on Drider server and want tranfer account to Dragoon(international) server.. Your reuest is understandable. If one nation invade other nation, it's obvious that they would not want to stay in same game server.

    But to tell that is no political reason is a lie..

    Now as far I know it was not done such thing before in this game. So developers have to create tool, which would work as bridge between two seprated servers playerbases. Account transfer is not just Copy>Paste, it's more complex thing.


    I have another question, is it a common situation at the international forum that developers ignore one of the popular topics (based on the number of views)?

    The thread have been created 12 days ago.. I haven't seen any game publisher would be able to implement account transfer service/tool in such shoft time..


    Also you realize that there are more than you who may wish to do that?

    If you want that devs implement account transfer feature.. Gather as many players and write petition. More you gather, higher chances that devs notice and more chances they may take actions..

    But comments like:

    Hello everybody.
    I have another question, is it a common situation at the international forum that developers ignore one of the popular topics (based on the number of views)?
    Especially since the issue is not political, but purely technical.
    If you agree that this situation shows disrespect to the gaming community, please share this topic with your friends, guilds, game discords, and possibly other games in this studio.


    The comments sounds like, if devs do not quickly respond to your request means devs disrespect to the gaming community.

    Then you also add image where guy kick bear. Such comments does not help with this situation..

    Showing disrespect toward staff and hope to be respected? That's not how it work.

    Also need to understand that while some devs would agree with your request, it's not for them to decide to implement such feature..
    That's depend on company mangers, the top heads decide it.
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    “The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
    Gustave Le Bon.

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  • jules#6770 jules Member Posts: 709 Arc User
    edited March 2022
    It is a political reason with a technical solution that actually wouldn't hurt anybody and is used in various other games.
    A statement would be nice considering many other games actually managed that.
    Did I think they would make one in a relatively timely manner without anybody stepping on their toes so they actually have to? No, not at all.

    Everybody can take from it what they want, but the initial question was just if they could make it possible
    Everybody here knows when Julia handpicks her bunch of topics of the week and this topic could've made it, but was obviously too uncomfortable/not pressing enough to adress. Of course thats a statement in it's own and to constantly beat the dead horse of "oh poor devs cannot address everything all the time" will not make anybody feel better about everything that never gets adressed at all.

    If you are from Ukraine and do not want to play on a russian server it IS a pressing matter for you, and if you are not, it is not. It's as simple as that. If you have a problem with this being a pressing matter to people from Ukraine, you do not have to read here or answer here at all. I do not think a lecture was necessary

    It also IS the CM's work to push pressing matters further up the chain, so that people that have a say can actually know about this.
    - bye bye -
  • vital111111#1745 vital111111 Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    I repeat, the reason is, yes, political, issues without politics.
    Secondly, I do not demand a ready-made decision, it is enough to answer whether there is such a possibility or not, and whether it will be solved in some way.
    Third, don't manipulate words, bloggers shouldn't do that.
  • fritz#8093 fritz Member Posts: 439 Arc User

    I have another question, is it a common situation at the international forum that developers ignore one of the popular topics (based on the number of views)?

    Yes. There's a decent chance nobody will ever comment on this topic.
  • vital111111#1745 vital111111 Member Posts: 38 Arc User

    I have another question, is it a common situation at the international forum that developers ignore one of the popular topics (based on the number of views)?

    Yes. There's a decent chance nobody will ever comment on this topic.
    Yes, I see. I think this is an issue that needs some action, not just a small change.
    It's easier for developers to ignore than to give an answer.
  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,092 Arc User

    Yes, I see. I think this is an issue that needs some action, not just a small change.
    It's easier for developers to ignore than to give an answer.

    Devs showing up on the forums is akin to tossing a piece of meat into the piranha tank.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • vital111111#1745 vital111111 Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    No, when they have a ready solution or are already in the process, they respond. Other cases are ignored.
  • hotfrostwormhotfrostworm Member Posts: 447 Arc User

    No, when they have a ready solution or are already in the process, they respond. Other cases are ignored.

    While I am not a developer of Cryptic games, I am a developer. Seriously, they might fear a mass migration to the NA server, would cause more chaos than good. I have watched the game from the backseat as my wife played over the years. I don't recall exactly when the game hub instances were reduced from 40 players down to 20. Let me explain it, so everyone reading this can understand.

    MMOs work like matchmaking arenas (Quake, Halo, Apex, etc.) there is just more of them and they share a global chat system instead of a team only chat system. The developer limits the number of people to prevent latency in the system. Most likely the reason to reduce the number in each instance was the number of other objects needed to display for each user in the area. Everyone gets to have a mount, companion, mini-pet, gear, and all these things start stacking up. Visually these items are drawn in by the player's scope of view. Don't need to bother drawing 3D objects not in range. Tiny server packets tell your client to fetch 3D objects from the hard drive and place them in your area at X, Y, Z, rotate them, and color them. They limit these instances because it would otherwise crash when entering Protector's Enclave. Having to display objects for 900 to 1500 players would be chaos. The engine assembles the maps too. The houses, plants, trees, people, are placed there in the loading screen. A better system would make this 1 construct and load it one time upon entry. This would make the load time a tiny bit longer but today's PCs can handle it.

    Now if they just open the door between servers and this flood of players come rushing into the NA servers, what would be the solution to keep the servers from crashing? The solution would be to limit the users online. This means, instead of just jumping into PE, you would queue to play the game. No one is going to login and wait at a character screen for 15 to 30 minutes to play Neverwinter.

    As I understand, Redwood City has the account servers for NA and Amsterdam is the actual location for EU. I am not financially invested, so I would just move and start a new account. I assume you are financially invested? In any case, I wouldn't allow chat to get the better of me. I know my wife would turn chat off in order to focus on her game play, she still does that in other games as well. If you are experiencing a problem with guilds and other social interactions, there is an old phrase; The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Social problems exist in the NA game too.

    I hope all of you are safe and well.
  • micky1p00micky1p00 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,594 Arc User
    edited March 2022
    1. That's not how MMO's work, that's sort of how instanced MMO's work, which is only a subgroup. Others use server per world or area and there one will usually meet a login queue but you can usually select the server. (There are also more modern in-between solutions to make things transparent)

    2. The issue is not graphical. Instance limits are to limit the amount of calculations the server has to do, since all physics, like collision and skill usage is server side there is only so much one physical machine can do with Cryptics engine. Instancing allows to spin up VMs (and with them physical resources, e.g. blades) as instances required

    3. One construct? How is that scalable? From the graphics engine, occlusion, view port, scene-graph splitting and so on, to maintainability from texturing, to other changes..

    3. There is no EU server.

    4. "problem with guilds and other social interactions" - Interesting wording for an armed conflict...

    5. The benefit of having instanced MMO is the ability to scale up quickly. Queues are happening in fixed open world servers, since there the whole server is one instance (with usually some exceptions like specific dungeons or trials). Cryptic use automated broker to spin up instances on demand, as long as they pay the bills (and there is physical hardware, which shouldn't be an issue in NW, this is not Final Fantasy) they won't have a queue problem.

    6. Players who invested time in the game, and progressed to actually play group content shouldn't lose that progress, "financially invested" or not. It's one thing to login and stroll around in the open zones and totally different to actually play the game and do the end-game content. Second takes time.
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  • auron#6793 auron Member Posts: 386 Arc User
    The question has been answered could a mod please close this thread?
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  • micky1p00micky1p00 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,594 Arc User
    I don't see an answer. You are not the OP, why would you ask to close it?!
  • krzrsmskrzrsms Member Posts: 164 Arc User
    Well after reading through here I find it fairly pathetic that no one from NW Cryptic or Gearbox haven't answered such a basic question. Sure this is just a game. ..but people here have real emotional investment in it. And if the pandemic taught (most) online companies anything, its the value of working even more closely with their audiences during times of stress and isolation. Other games and companies that leaned this lesson have grown greatly.

    To this end I had someone I know make a Tweet asking NW directly about this question in the hopes of raising some awareness and getting an answer at a minimum, and perhaps a custom solution in the best case.



    We'll be adding some more to the parent companies in coming days in the hopes of getting someone to answer.

  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,092 Arc User
    Does Gearbox have the reins yet?
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • vital111111#1745 vital111111 Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    Good afternoon everyone. Thank you for your interest and participation in this topic. There is still no answer, but I hope to still get it)
    As for your assumption that there are some social conflicts in the game, no, they are not. Just play there, no desire.
    You can register an account on an international server, but once again to get gifts from companies, high-level items, it's too much.
    It is better, after our victory, to consider another project, although I really like this game.
  • kalina311kalina311 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,082 Arc User
    edited March 2022
    micky1p00 said:

    I don't see an answer. You are not the OP, why would you ask to close it?!

    disinformation and propaganda might be the reason :D
  • vital111111#1745 vital111111 Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    kalina311 said:

    micky1p00 said:

    I don't see an answer. You are not the OP, why would you ask to close it?!

    disinformation and propaganda might be the reason :D
    Misinformation and propaganda could be the cause. But this is not the case here.
    There are questions and no answers in this topic.
  • hydramist176#3517 hydramist176 Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    Guys, we've seen the interviews of russian people. They are poisoned by propaganda, but its not an excuse.
    We (Ukrainians) don't want to play with RuZZian nazys, it's not even a question of tolerance. Official statistics (the questionary) says that 71% of ru people support the war, support the regime.
    So interpretated into game - it's the same statistics. I don't care about tolerance, the supporters should stay alone with other putin suckers. Roskomnadzor continues to isolate ruZZia and turn it into North Korea.

    So will there be any answer from moderator/GM?


  • hydramist176#3517 hydramist176 Member Posts: 4 Arc User









    Politics...not politics.
    Guys it's about KSENOFOBIA around ruZZian NAZYS. Why is all the hate around them arranged? because they are slaves, and with their slavety and silence all the war crimes came out. 23 Days this whole HAMSTER happened to our Nation, and we are THE FIRST ONES to get hit by ruZZian ambitions. Its not even a question for me any more "to play with them or not". I've lost all my friends and relatives i've been speaking for many years before.
    The really believe we have here Nato laboratories with some viruses injected to pigeons to infect (and then kill) ruzzian people (the closest to Ukraine ones).
    Every day, even in west Ukraine we have air raid alert every day, every night, at least there should be some "other" (in game at least) reality where i don't see some freak ruZZian with stupid "_Z_" in his nickname.

    Is it really MUCH we are asking?


  • hydramist176#3517 hydramist176 Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    Lets go into Neverwinter:)

    Discord from our ex guildmates



    Yeah, nothing happens in neverwinter...it stays out of politics. :D



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