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elderislt#1066 elderislt Member Posts: 146 Arc User
@noworries#8859 all wat i wana to know its just ANSWER from DEVS, why mirage set was BUFED again?or DEVS understnd HOW much powerfu this set are? OR DEVS understnd this set KILING TOMM AND MASTER ZARIEL PROGRES< becose its beter wepon set.
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  • thany#4351 thany Member Posts: 191 Arc User
    OMG. Here we go again...
  • tom#6998 tom Member Posts: 952 Arc User
    its pretty clear that they are ok with a very old weapon set beeing the best for dps.
  • darthpotaterdarthpotater Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,102 Arc User
    I agree... but is really a problem at this point? if everyone can get them, everyone is ok. Still good players are good players... you notice them in the first 15 secs of a run.

    Is overperforming ok... but well everyone can have them so I dont see any problem.

    If the argument is that only players who can complete the master zariel / Tomm are the ones that must have the best weapons, I think 95% of the players dont have access to this content due to best players only play with best players and you are in a very good guild or have friends in that circle or you wont ever have a chance to complete it.

    I would like to have other items in Zariel than weapons, items that you can sell like ToMM rings, so good players have something to run this for.

    And who knows what is coming? maybe a new weapon set with higher IL and good set bonus is coming soon...

    The set is good? ok use it. We want new players to have an incentive to stay in the game isnt? Well this is one.
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  • elderislt#1066 elderislt Member Posts: 146 Arc User
    > @darthpotater said:
    > I agree... but is really a problem at this point? if everyone can get them, everyone is ok. Still good players are good players... you notice them in the first 15 secs of a run.
    >
    > Is overperforming ok... but well everyone can have them so I dont see any problem.
    >
    > If the argument is that only players who can complete the master zariel / Tomm are the ones that must have the best weapons, I think 95% of the players dont have access to this content due to best players only play with best players and you are in a very good guild or have friends in that circle or you wont ever have a chance to complete it.
    >
    > I would like to have other items in Zariel than weapons, items that you can sell like ToMM rings, so good players have something to run this for.
    >
    > And who knows what is coming? maybe a new weapon set with higher IL and good set bonus is coming soon...
    >
    > The set is good? ok use it. We want new players to have an incentive to stay in the game isnt? Well this is one.

    Problem is tomm and zariel master will be dead end game trail,
    Nkt fair for end gamers whu spent bazilion hours in master zariel or tomm
    Or mirage set can help atract new ppl in end game content? No becose its no point spent tour ad for stone or scrols , becose you already have BIS wepons
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  • darthpotaterdarthpotater Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,102 Arc User
    edited March 18


    Problem is tomm and zariel master will be dead end game trail,

    Nkt fair for end gamers whu spent bazilion hours in master zariel or tomm

    Or mirage set can help atract new ppl in end game content? No becose its no point spent tour ad for stone or scrols , becose you already have BIS wepons

    I dissagree with you. ToMM will still have people farming it. Not zariel (and nobody farmed it after get weapons)
    Not fair? cmon dont be so elitist, ToMM weapons have been BIS for 2 years and Zariel for 1 year. You already amortized them

    I see much bigger problems in the game than this weapons, still agree they are too powerfull, should be inline with the others, but there are other things like bugs, class imbalances, and ZAX for example that are IMO much more important that the poor new players can get BIS weapons.

    Really that hurts you? I also wasted scrolls in castle never to get the weapons 8 years ago. And what.
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  • thany#4351 thany Member Posts: 191 Arc User
    edited March 18
    Mirage set can be problem only in pvp. And that's all. While some classes have more benefits than others, it doesn't mean it's the BiS set. I saw people with xuna and celestial set that done x3 more damage than people with mirage. Xuna deals a lot more dmg than "mirrors". And both were arround 50K ilvl. So, mirage ain't problem in pve. It just need fine tuning depends on class... Problem could be only in pvp.
  • elderislt#1066 elderislt Member Posts: 146 Arc User
    > @thany#4351 said:
    > Mirage set can be problem only in pvp. And that's all. While some classes have more benefits than others, it doesn't mean it's the BiS set. I saw people with xuna and celestial set that done x3 more damage than people with mirage. Xuna deals a lot more dmg than "mirrors". And both were arround 50K ilvl. So, mirage ain't problem in pve. It just need fine tuning depends on class... Problem could be only in pvp.

    I not agre, pvp are dead alot of yera ago.
    So can you exsplayn to me why ppl using mirage in tomm, and i speek about full xp ppl
    I not speak abaut mirage on ppl whu just hit max lvl i speak about strong hdps whu know how to play
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  • ewjax#5077 ewjax Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited March 19
    It would be cool if weapons had variable primary set bonuses just like the other bonus we use the cube of augmentation for, just give a random set bonus on drop, and all bonuses that can be selected using the manage artefact modification on newer higher IL weapons and we can use cubes to roll for the one we want. You want the 75% stam for 7.5% roll till you get that, you want mirrors roll till you get that, you want the 25% chance of AP, etc. (you can safely assume no one will want the current bonus on Celestials to build up to the 7.5%, so you can skip adding that to the list.) Bit there are some cool older set bonuses that could be picked from. At least that way everyone would at least want the new weapons for the higher IL (under the false assumption that scaling was working properly).
  • wilbur626wilbur626 Member Posts: 885 Arc User
    @ewjax#5077

    The fact that the latest trial awards a really bad set bonus would persist, but the overall idea is great.
    This should also apply to armor/jewellry equip bonuses.
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  • callumf#9018 callumf Member Posts: 1,498 Arc User
    It is ridiculous that a Mod 11 Weapon Set is better than current stuff.

    I dont really care enough to cry about it, I am happy with what I got and all is good with me, using the Legion Guard stuff.

    But anyone who thinks that an old weapon set from years ago should be best in slot is missing the point, best is slot should always be the latest thing surely? Or why bother playing new content at all?
  • highlyunstablehighlyunstable Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 333 Arc User
    I agree to a lot of the points made here but...... I ran a ToMM last night (Nov 18th) and used my Celestial Weapons vs a Hunter and Rogue who both had Mirage Weapons. We were all close to the same IL... and I was top DPS. True, I know the mechanics and we had awesome healers so I only died once ( usually run deathless) but... I tried a 2nd run with the Mirage and took 3rd in DPS. On our 3 run, used Celestial again and took 2nd, but was only about 100k from first so... that is my experience thus far.
  • highlyunstablehighlyunstable Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 333 Arc User
    I feel that, "almost" any weapon in the hands of someone that knows how to play their toon, and know the proper mechanics can be a HDPS. I have been beaten by Lionheart weapons, Blessed Weapons and Master Weapons... and yet, at other times, beaten them so.... it all depends on the person I guess.
  • tom#6998 tom Member Posts: 952 Arc User
    this just showes how litte tought went into the combat rework. They just slapped this new system on the game without thinking about the consequences, and now try to fix stuff in retrospect.
  • datarider#1036 datarider Member Posts: 187 Arc User
    tom#6998 said:

    this just showes how litte tought went into the combat rework. They just slapped this new system on the game without thinking about the consequences, and now try to fix stuff in retrospect.

    I dont see anyone trying to fix anything... game is hamster more than 2 months already - that was the time period I advised some unhappy players to give the game to become playable again. There were 3-4 patches - not one change towards important issues :D
  • elderislt#1066 elderislt Member Posts: 146 Arc User
    edited March 19
    > @datarider#1036 said:
    > I dont see anyone trying to fix anything... game is hamster more than 2 months already - that was the time period I advised some unhappy players to give the game to become playable again. There were 3-4 patches - not one change towards important issues :D



    I agree with you mate,still i am not crying about mirage, i just feell like cryptic pee on my head and say its rain, wats how supose feell all end gamers whu spens x h in tomm or zariel, all wat i wana, just make game beter for everyone.
    I am not speak aboup players whu think- we have now this ,i am ok with this.
    Just need go more deeper in all this changes, and you will understand how bad game became, and yea for wat i know, its only one youtuber whu have bolls, its Northside:3
    I just cant sit then i see cryptic kiling game
    BABY ZARIEL.... 270k base HUNTER
  • rikitakirikitaki Member Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited March 19
    Most people do not think about - and even less people do actually care about the TOMM/Zariel trials. The time/resources you need to spend to be able to successfully run those trials are making them a really bad personal goal, because, nah... that is simply too much. And I am putting aside the detail of how entertaining those lovely group exercises are.

    If you push devs to make every weapon set worse than what you can get in those trials, most people will put even less effort into gearing up their chars. Because... why even try? It already is a choice between doing nothing and have a certain output, or spending a lot of time and resources to do just twice better. People already know that - and refrain from spending any effort to even understand what is going on.

    So yeah, nerf items even more! That will surely help to motivate masses to play more... or to actually care.
    ...whatever, really.
    Post edited by rikitaki on
  • bifflincultebifflinculte Member Posts: 177 Arc User
    New mirage, mirage
    It seems to me.
    Or maybe stop feeling
    You do not exist.
  • dietzgen#3883 dietzgen Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    Wait, there is a thing called progress in Neverwinter?
  • armadeonxarmadeonx Member Posts: 4,781 Arc User
    It seems to me that the main issue some are having with the mirage set is that it is a viable alternative and they resent the fact they've invested time earning the newest ones - but surely that is now across the board in everything except unscaled content. Anything that provides a buff and can ignore the TIL (due to scaling) has become viable again.

    If we change everything so that only the latest gear has the best buff options then we are heading into a situation of ever-increasing buffs to the next set of gear. That is another form of stat creep and would eventually lead to yet another rewrite.

    I think the devs got things approximately right this time if you look at the situation from the big picture and not just "but their weapons are competitive with mine!".
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  • wilbur626wilbur626 Member Posts: 885 Arc User
    Players did ask for horizontal progression, items not losing value, ability to gear up solo and gearing alternatives during the CDPs. Now we have all that, and others complain 😂
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  • tom#6998 tom Member Posts: 952 Arc User
    armadeonx said:

    It seems to me that the main issue some are having with the mirage set is that it is a viable alternative and they resent the fact they've invested time earning the newest ones - but surely that is now across the board in everything except unscaled content. Anything that provides a buff and can ignore the TIL (due to scaling) has become viable again.

    If we change everything so that only the latest gear has the best buff options then we are heading into a situation of ever-increasing buffs to the next set of gear. That is another form of stat creep and would eventually lead to yet another rewrite.

    I think the devs got things approximately right this time if you look at the situation from the big picture and not just "but their weapons are competitive with mine!".

    its not a "viable alterantive" its in most cases 2x as good as Celestial/Lionheart weapons or even better. It was a viable alternative before they reverted the nerf to the mirage set.
    Since the celestial weapons are the only incentive to run Master Zariel, and are intended to be "superior" (to quote asterdahl), to other weapons, this is a problem. I dont want to play a game were its there is no reason to run the new content, because the best gear is from 3 year old campaigns.
  • highlyunstablehighlyunstable Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 333 Arc User
    I use to think that too Tom, but surprisingly most of my Alliance LOVES to run Zariel just for the fun of it and honestly, it is easier then ToMM now. I have Lionhearts, Celestial, Mirage and Mastered Weapons... and I still run ToMM and ZCM daily.
  • tom#6998 tom Member Posts: 952 Arc User
    there are exceptions, and i also run the occasional zariel, but its nothing compared to how much i ran ToMM when that launched.
    You can also simply check and search for how many ppl are running Master Zariel at any point during the day. There are WAY fewer ppl running Master Zariel now, compared to how many ppl ran ToMM at the same time after its release.
  • wilbur626wilbur626 Member Posts: 885 Arc User
    > @tom#6998 said:
    > its not a "viable alterantive" its in most cases 2x as good as Celestial/Lionheart weapons or even better. It was a viable alternative before they reverted the nerf to the mirage set.
    > Since the celestial weapons are the only incentive to run Master Zariel, and are intended to be "superior" (to quote asterdahl), to other weapons, this is a problem. I dont want to play a game were its there is no reason to run the new content, because the best gear is from 3 year old campaigns.

    Admit that you can feel the tingling sensation of accomplishment, @tom#6998
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  • tom#6998 tom Member Posts: 952 Arc User
    wilbur626 said:

    > @tom#6998 said:

    > its not a "viable alterantive" its in most cases 2x as good as Celestial/Lionheart weapons or even better. It was a viable alternative before they reverted the nerf to the mirage set.

    > Since the celestial weapons are the only incentive to run Master Zariel, and are intended to be "superior" (to quote asterdahl), to other weapons, this is a problem. I dont want to play a game were its there is no reason to run the new content, because the best gear is from 3 year old campaigns.


    Admit that you can feel the tingling sensation of accomplishment, @tom#6998

    with Zariel not that much, but that might be because we did beat mutiple different versions during the closed beta >.<
  • jules#6770 jules Member Posts: 663 Arc User
    > @wilbur626 said:
    > Players did ask for horizontal progression, items not losing value, ability to gear up solo and gearing alternatives during the CDPs. Now we have all that, and others complain 😂



    Lmao.
    Thats a way to see not doing anything as progression of game design.
    - bye bye -
  • raziel2004#7353 raziel2004 Member Posts: 88 Arc User
    Why i dont heard this lvl of hatred for demon lord set? Kinda hypocrite..
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