Remember tomm is trail whu need 2 tanki, so 2 bols for each, no more solo tanki tomm, wats one of idea bring 2 tank in tomm + now dps don't wata take agro, so I hope so dps more time ceck agro bars + all debif artis like halaster, sigil, knife, less personal artifact same gud idea
We tested it on preview with 2 tanks (Fighter + Justciar) so I am not talking about solo tanking. I struggled to take the 2nd ball if it critted as Justicar. Fighter didn't have such problems because of CA negation provided by Dig In but it still hitted very hard as crit.
After Annilihate, 3x Arcane Blast is casted by Halaster. Annilihate (somewhere between 2.5 - 5mio base dmg) + 3x Arcane Blast (around 800k base damage each) that hit you in around 4 seconds.
With the change to def, iron warrior and absolution should have value again anyways, but pallys do need something to help with awareness. I assume zariel not being able to crit is a bug, wouldn't make any sense if it was intentional.
How do they have an use again? I thought DR is capped at 90%, even with the new formula.
Damage Resistance and Defense are different things. The formula is:
taken_damage = base * damage_reduction damage_reduction = defense_mult * combined_extra_mitigation
(Combined extra mitigation = product of (1 - X%) for all extra mitigations, or 1 if there isn't any).
The DR cap refers to all mitigation sources combined. The cap for that is 80%, so "damage_reduction" in the second formula can never be lower than 0.2 currently on live. Note: Deflect can go over that.
On preview, it isn't clear if they kept the DR cap at 80%, but I would think they did.
Before defense was changed on preview, the Defense cap 90%, enemies had 10% Armor pen. So you had 80% effective Defense. The defense multiplier was (1 - Defense %). 90% Defense => defense_mult = 0.2. As defense_mult already makes damage_reduction 0.2 and it can't go lower than 0.2, other mitigation sources were useless if you had capped defense.
Now that it was changed, the Defense cap is still 90%, but the formula for the defense multiplier is [1/(1 + Def %)]. This means that 90% Defense makes the multiplier = 0.52, and there is plenty of "space" for mitigations like Iron Warrior, Astral Shield and others to bring that down to 0.2. This is very similar to live, where Defense cap makes the multiplier = 0.50. Note: mitigations stack multiplicatively, so actually reaching 0.2 is somewhat hard. You'll need a bunch of extra mitigations for that.
The only inconsistency is: some powers say they would be an extra mitigation (they are worded like "decrease damage taken by X%"), but they actually increase Defense instead. Those are few and easy to spot (they increase the % in the stat sheet while actual extra mitigations don't), so that isn't too problematic. I found Angel of Protection (Companion) and Bladed Rampart (GF daily) in this situation.
@noworries#8859, could you consider changing Angel of Protection and Bladed Rampart? Either: - keep the current behavior but change the description to "increase Defense by X%" (instead of "decrease damage taken) - change the behavior so that they actually are extra mitigations, and keep the description.
The second option is better IMO, specially for Bladed Rampart.
@noworries#8859 Completed a TOMM on preview today. The damage dealt by Halaster seems fine. Here are links to heatwave and superstorm below. The only time dps died was either on hypothermia, or having no mitigation on superstorm (a mistake on that mechanic). I think TOMM is at a reasonably high level of difficulty. I like that the trial is slower and groups can't just brute force through mechanics. This is a good spot for this trial. We will run a Master Zariel's Challenge soon and will post ACT logs for that as well.
@noworries#8859 Completed a TOMM on preview today. The damage dealt by Halaster seems fine. Here are links to heatwave and superstorm below. The only time dps died was either on hypothermia, or having no mitigation on superstorm (a mistake on that mechanic). I think TOMM is at a reasonably high level of difficulty. I like that the trial is slower and groups can't just brute force through mechanics. This is a good spot for this trial. We will run a Master Zariel's Challenge soon and will post ACT logs for that as well.
@noworries#8859 Completed a TOMM on preview today. The damage dealt by Halaster seems fine. Here are links to heatwave and superstorm below. The only time dps died was either on hypothermia, or having no mitigation on superstorm (a mistake on that mechanic). I think TOMM is at a reasonably high level of difficulty. I like that the trial is slower and groups can't just brute force through mechanics. This is a good spot for this trial. We will run a Master Zariel's Challenge soon and will post ACT logs for that as well.
Did you have fighter tanks for this trial? if yes then its very easy with those tanks.
Two fighters, BUT sentinel can also negate combat advantage and crit chance with the primal instinct daily. The problem will be a paladin tanking. Do they have something that can negate combat advantage for a short time?
@noworries#8859 Completed a TOMM on preview today. The damage dealt by Halaster seems fine. Here are links to heatwave and superstorm below. The only time dps died was either on hypothermia, or having no mitigation on superstorm (a mistake on that mechanic). I think TOMM is at a reasonably high level of difficulty. I like that the trial is slower and groups can't just brute force through mechanics. This is a good spot for this trial. We will run a Master Zariel's Challenge soon and will post ACT logs for that as well.
Did you have fighter tanks for this trial? if yes then its very easy with those tanks.
Two fighters, BUT sentinel can also negate combat advantage and crit chance with the primal instinct daily. The problem will be a paladin tanking. Do they have something that can negate combat advantage for a short time?
Not that I am aware of thats why I am mentioning this topic in various threads lol. Currently Paladin (Justicar) isn't even relevant compare to Fighter and Barbarian tanks due to the missing CA negation. The damage reduction from capped Awareness is such a huge difference in incoming damage.
Fighter / Barbarian don't have to invest in Awareness (because easily capped with Daily / Mechanic) so they can concentrate on all the other defense stats. Justicar has to run an "Awareness build" that might have a high Awareness (around 65%+) but all the other defense stats will be pretty low then. So not only Fighter / Barbarian will cap Awareness easily (Justicar can't even reach 90%). They also have a lot higher defense stats overall too compared to Paladin.
If they don't give Justicar a way to negate Combat Advantage, I don't see the class to be relevant in any trial as tank.
@noworries#8859 With the new introduction of CA for bosses, Pallies are now in trouble.
With GF's being able to negate CA by using Dig In, they don't need to put points in this field (which is good) but Pallies need the same to be viable.
* GF's also have the combo of Bladed Rampart (daily) and Sharpened Senses (feat) to negate CA for the duration of the Daily.
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@noworries#8859 With the new introduction of CA for bosses, Pallies are now in trouble.
With GF's being able to negate CA by using Dig In, they don't need to put points in this field (which is good) but Pallies need the same to be viable.
* GF's also have the combo of Bladed Rampart (daily) and Sharpened Senses (feat) to negate CA for the duration of the Daily.
The issue is that Fighters should not be able to mitigate CA that easily. It is crazy overpowered compared to the other two and completely negates the awareness changes the dev team wants to implement. Each tank paragon should have a bit of CA/crit negation, but not 100% like fighter has. It would be ridiculous to have one tank overpowered like that.
Powers that fully negated Combat Advantage made sense balance wise when that was mainly a concern outside of boss fights.
With Combat Advantage being on for bosses it changes the balance.
My current plan to roll out with the next build is that:
Dig In adds 15% awareness Sharpened Senses adds 30% awareness to Bladed Rampart
Primal Instinct adds 30% awareness
Divine Protector now adds 30% awareness
That should give all tanks options and also not have a situation where any tank can essentially ignore awareness by having powers that max it out.
This is a really good proposal I think! It would allow some build diversity depending on the tank paragons forte and give some freedom to go deflect/crit avoid. Those percentages seem perfect also.
I am wondering if Vanguard will gain something here. The tanks were somewhat balanced before, and awareness was one of the perks that a Vanguard enjoyed. Now... we are giving awareness to the other tank classes. Now what perk is unique to the Vanguards?
I am wondering if Vanguard will gain something here. The tanks were somewhat balanced before, and awareness was one of the perks that a Vanguard enjoyed. Now... we are giving awareness to the other tank classes. Now what perk is unique to the Vanguards?
That "perk" with the new trial changes would have made them absurdly overpowered. Fighters still have the highest threat multiplier and will be the easiest tank to play, as well as have probably the best damage mitigation daily in the game in Phalanx. They have plenty of unique perks.
@noworries#8859 That sounds good - but if Pallies will be using the Daily Divine Protector for CA in boss fights, could you please consider removing the 3 minute cooldown from the feat Shield Of The Gods as they'll need to pop the Daily more frequently than that (makes Divine Protector work on self only - gives it the same effect as the Sharpened Senses/Bladed Rampart combo). To be fair to Fighters, maybe shorten DP to 10 secs when used with SotG so it matches the uptime of the Fighter combo?
Edit: Fighters will also get 15% Awareness from Dig In? I'm guessing you wouldn't be up to adding the same to Pallies Divine Palisade, but making it possible to activate Tab whilst their shield is up would be reeeaaaalllly welcome! Having to drop the shield, hit tab then raise shield makes things very awkward.
Bearing in mind: GFs still have the advantage of being able to strike with their shield up whereas Pallies can't. Fighters still recover Stamina under Dig In (at a reduced rate) whereas Pallies don't under Divine Palisade. Dig In absorbs 75% of the Fighters HP but Palisade absorbs only 50% for the Pally (meaning they can keep it up for longer/use more frequently).
Hmm, actually, maybe I should just switch investment from my Pally to my GF!
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@noworries#8859 That sounds good - but if Pallies will be using the Daily Divine Protector for CA in boss fights, could you please consider removing the 3 minute cooldown from the feat Shield Of The Gods as they'll need to pop the Daily more frequently than that (makes Divine Protector work on self only - gives it the same effect as the Sharpened Senses/Bladed Rampart combo). To be fair to Fighters, maybe shorten DP to 10 secs when used with SotG so it matches the uptime of the Fighter combo?
Edit: Fighters will also get 15% Awareness from Dig In? I'm guessing you wouldn't be up to adding the same to Pallies Divine Palisade, but making it possible to activate Tab whilst their shield is up would be reeeaaaalllly welcome! Having to drop the shield, hit tab then raise shield makes things very awkward.
Bearing in mind: GFs still have the advantage of being able to strike with their shield up whereas Pallies can't. Fighters still recover Stamina under Dig In (at a reduced rate) whereas Pallies don't under Divine Palisade. Dig In absorbs 75% of the Fighters HP but Palisade absorbs only 50% for the Pally (meaning they can keep it up for longer/use more frequently).
Hmm, actually, maybe I should just switch investment from my Pally to my GF!
Dig In is 60%, not 75%. Fighters can not attack during Dig In.
Powers that fully negated Combat Advantage made sense balance wise when that was mainly a concern outside of boss fights.
With Combat Advantage being on for bosses it changes the balance.
My current plan to roll out with the next build is that:
Dig In adds 15% awareness Sharpened Senses adds 30% awareness to Bladed Rampart
Primal Instinct adds 30% awareness
Divine Protector now adds 30% awareness
That should give all tanks options and also not have a situation where any tank can essentially ignore awareness by having powers that max it out.
This is a great solution and makes every tank class pretty equal. Thanks!
So Vanguard gets nerfed ?!
Vaguard will remain extremely strong. Getting Combat Advantage immunity from a class mechanic made Fighters extremely durable trial tanks (far ahead of Paladins and Barbarians), and this adjustment is 100% needed. The change to awareness from Dig In and Bladed Rampart makes tanking more skill based, as Fighters will have to decide when to have max awareness.
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@noworries#8859 That sounds good - but if Pallies will be using the Daily Divine Protector for CA in boss fights, could you please consider removing the 3 minute cooldown from the feat Shield Of The Gods as they'll need to pop the Daily more frequently than that (makes Divine Protector work on self only - gives it the same effect as the Sharpened Senses/Bladed Rampart combo). To be fair to Fighters, maybe shorten DP to 10 secs when used with SotG so it matches the uptime of the Fighter combo?
Edit: Fighters will also get 15% Awareness from Dig In? I'm guessing you wouldn't be up to adding the same to Pallies Divine Palisade, but making it possible to activate Tab whilst their shield is up would be reeeaaaalllly welcome! Having to drop the shield, hit tab then raise shield makes things very awkward.
Bearing in mind: GFs still have the advantage of being able to strike with their shield up whereas Pallies can't. Fighters still recover Stamina under Dig In (at a reduced rate) whereas Pallies don't under Divine Palisade. Dig In absorbs 75% of the Fighters HP but Palisade absorbs only 50% for the Pally (meaning they can keep it up for longer/use more frequently).
Hmm, actually, maybe I should just switch investment from my Pally to my GF!
@noworries#8859 That sounds good - but if Pallies will be using the Daily Divine Protector for CA in boss fights, could you please consider removing the 3 minute cooldown from the feat Shield Of The Gods as they'll need to pop the Daily more frequently than that (makes Divine Protector work on self only - gives it the same effect as the Sharpened Senses/Bladed Rampart combo). To be fair to Fighters, maybe shorten DP to 10 secs when used with SotG so it matches the uptime of the Fighter combo?
Edit: Fighters will also get 15% Awareness from Dig In? I'm guessing you wouldn't be up to adding the same to Pallies Divine Palisade, but making it possible to activate Tab whilst their shield is up would be reeeaaaalllly welcome! Having to drop the shield, hit tab then raise shield makes things very awkward.
Bearing in mind: GFs still have the advantage of being able to strike with their shield up whereas Pallies can't. Fighters still recover Stamina under Dig In (at a reduced rate) whereas Pallies don't under Divine Palisade. Dig In absorbs 75% of the Fighters HP but Palisade absorbs only 50% for the Pally (meaning they can keep it up for longer/use more frequently).
Hmm, actually, maybe I should just switch investment from my Pally to my GF!
Dig In is 60%, not 75%. Fighters can not attack during Dig In.
I meant attack with just the shield raised - not dug in (Pallies can't do anything at all with shield up). 60% is it now? Cool, so just a 10% increase on the Pally...
Question though as I can't recall; can the GF go from 'shield up' to 'dig in' by pressing tab or do they need to drop shield first? My fighter is just 20k so I've not run him through dungeons serious enough to warrant using it. I prefer using my Pally as his powers feel like they work more smoothly (to me) but I do appreciate the ability of the fighter tank.
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@noworries#8859 That sounds good - but if Pallies will be using the Daily Divine Protector for CA in boss fights, could you please consider removing the 3 minute cooldown from the feat Shield Of The Gods as they'll need to pop the Daily more frequently than that (makes Divine Protector work on self only - gives it the same effect as the Sharpened Senses/Bladed Rampart combo). To be fair to Fighters, maybe shorten DP to 10 secs when used with SotG so it matches the uptime of the Fighter combo?
Edit: Fighters will also get 15% Awareness from Dig In? I'm guessing you wouldn't be up to adding the same to Pallies Divine Palisade, but making it possible to activate Tab whilst their shield is up would be reeeaaaalllly welcome! Having to drop the shield, hit tab then raise shield makes things very awkward.
Bearing in mind: GFs still have the advantage of being able to strike with their shield up whereas Pallies can't. Fighters still recover Stamina under Dig In (at a reduced rate) whereas Pallies don't under Divine Palisade. Dig In absorbs 75% of the Fighters HP but Palisade absorbs only 50% for the Pally (meaning they can keep it up for longer/use more frequently).
Hmm, actually, maybe I should just switch investment from my Pally to my GF!
Dig In is 60%, not 75%. Fighters can not attack during Dig In.
I meant attack with just the shield raised - not dug in (Pallies can't do anything at all with shield up). 60% is it now? Cool, so just a 10% increase on the Pally...
Question though as I can't recall; can the GF go from 'shield up' to 'dig in' by pressing tab or do they need to drop shield first? My fighter is just 20k so I've not run him through dungeons serious enough to warrant using it. I prefer using my Pally as his powers feel like they work more smoothly (to me) but I do appreciate the ability of the fighter tank.
You can cancel block with Dig In, but not vice versa
Is paladin/sentinel tab giving 75%? If so, then fighter getting an extra 15% awareness with their 60% from dig in is balanced. If paladin/sentinel are also 60%, then there is a problem again. @hastati96 do you know?
Powers that fully negated Combat Advantage made sense balance wise when that was mainly a concern outside of boss fights.
With Combat Advantage being on for bosses it changes the balance.
My current plan to roll out with the next build is that:
Dig In adds 15% awareness Sharpened Senses adds 30% awareness to Bladed Rampart
Primal Instinct adds 30% awareness
Divine Protector now adds 30% awareness
That should give all tanks options and also not have a situation where any tank can essentially ignore awareness by having powers that max it out.
After more testing, it seems all tanks tabs are giving 60% and all shifts are giving 40%, so fighter still has a 15% advantage with extra awareness in dig in.. Okay why? Why can't they just be balanced? Can sentinel get 15% deflect sev with tab or something? Can Paladin get 15% of something? I don't understand, and fighters can even attack while in dig in, another advantage.
Actually, might it work better with Shield of Faith? 10 sec cool down, can be spec'd to share a heal while shielded and no transfer of damage from nearest ally/180 sec cool down.
Is paladin/sentinel tab giving 75%? If so, then fighter getting an extra 15% awareness with their 60% from dig in is balanced. If paladin/sentinel are also 60%, then there is a problem again. @hastati96 do you know?
As said by noworries, all 3 classes will have their Dailies give 30% awareness but Fighters get an extra 15% from Dig In.
Edit - or are you referring to the strength of the 'dig in/palisade' effect? That is 60% of HP for fighter (ty to those who corrected me) and 50% for Pallies - I don't know what GWFs get.
@karvare you're right - sorry I wasn't at home so looked up the figures on the neverwinter wiki. In which case, the Pally version needs to match the GF (as does the Barbarian).
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Is paladin/sentinel tab giving 75%? If so, then fighter getting an extra 15% awareness with their 60% from dig in is balanced. If paladin/sentinel are also 60%, then there is a problem again. @hastati96 do you know?
As said by noworries, all 3 classes will have their Dailies give 30% awareness but Fighters get an extra 15% from Dig In.
Edit - or are you referring to the strength of the 'dig in/palisade' effect? That is 60% of HP for fighter (ty to those who corrected me) and 50% for Pallies - I don't know what GWFs get.
@karvare you're right - sorry I wasn't at home so looked up the figures on the neverwinter wiki. In which case, the Pally version needs to match the GF (as does the Barbarian).
This gives fighter an advantage.. still. On preview currently all tank paragons are getting 60%/40% last time I checked with tab/guard (or vice versa can't remember), so why does fighter get to have an extra 15% awareness on their tab mechanic? Do sentinels and Justicars have something that fighters don't have that I am missing?
Is paladin/sentinel tab giving 75%? If so, then fighter getting an extra 15% awareness with their 60% from dig in is balanced. If paladin/sentinel are also 60%, then there is a problem again. @hastati96 do you know?
Unstoppable (Tab) appears to be giving 50% stamina while the effect is active. When it's not active we have 40% stamina. I was under the impression that all tanks had 60% stamina when their tab effects were active. Silly of me for believing that barb tanks would have an equal amount of tankyness as other tanks.
This is with Unstoppable (Tab active).
I have 954,757 HP. With Unstoppable active, I blocked 477,379 damage. That is 50% of my total HP.
Unfortunately it doesn't say how much stamina Unstoppable provides anywhere in game. @noworries#8859 It would be much appreciated if the tool-tip for Unstoppable was updated so that is displays how much increased block Unstoppable provides when it is active. I would also appreciate our Tab mechanic providing the same amount of stamina as the other two tanks
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...I don't understand, and fighters can even attack while in dig in, another advantage.
This is why there's always such an imbalance - the devs see posts like yours and give it consideration, when it's clear you don't really seem to know what you're talking about.
To be clear, a Fighter cannot attack while using Dig In.
Perhaps play a Fighter and get some experience playing it at end-game, and then provide suggestions on how to improve it?
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After Annilihate, 3x Arcane Blast is casted by Halaster. Annilihate (somewhere between 2.5 - 5mio base dmg) + 3x Arcane Blast (around 800k base damage each) that hit you in around 4 seconds.
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taken_damage = base * damage_reduction
damage_reduction = defense_mult * combined_extra_mitigation
(Combined extra mitigation = product of (1 - X%) for all extra mitigations, or 1 if there isn't any).
The DR cap refers to all mitigation sources combined. The cap for that is 80%, so "damage_reduction" in the second formula can never be lower than 0.2 currently on live. Note: Deflect can go over that.
On preview, it isn't clear if they kept the DR cap at 80%, but I would think they did.
Before defense was changed on preview, the Defense cap 90%, enemies had 10% Armor pen. So you had 80% effective Defense. The defense multiplier was (1 - Defense %). 90% Defense => defense_mult = 0.2. As defense_mult already makes damage_reduction 0.2 and it can't go lower than 0.2, other mitigation sources were useless if you had capped defense.
Now that it was changed, the Defense cap is still 90%, but the formula for the defense multiplier is [1/(1 + Def %)]. This means that 90% Defense makes the multiplier = 0.52, and there is plenty of "space" for mitigations like Iron Warrior, Astral Shield and others to bring that down to 0.2. This is very similar to live, where Defense cap makes the multiplier = 0.50. Note: mitigations stack multiplicatively, so actually reaching 0.2 is somewhat hard. You'll need a bunch of extra mitigations for that.
The only inconsistency is: some powers say they would be an extra mitigation (they are worded like "decrease damage taken by X%"), but they actually increase Defense instead. Those are few and easy to spot (they increase the % in the stat sheet while actual extra mitigations don't), so that isn't too problematic. I found Angel of Protection (Companion) and Bladed Rampart (GF daily) in this situation.
@noworries#8859, could you consider changing Angel of Protection and Bladed Rampart? Either:
- keep the current behavior but change the description to "increase Defense by X%" (instead of "decrease damage taken)
- change the behavior so that they actually are extra mitigations, and keep the description.
The second option is better IMO, specially for Bladed Rampart.
Completed a TOMM on preview today. The damage dealt by Halaster seems fine. Here are links to heatwave and superstorm below. The only time dps died was either on hypothermia, or having no mitigation on superstorm (a mistake on that mechanic). I think TOMM is at a reasonably high level of difficulty. I like that the trial is slower and groups can't just brute force through mechanics. This is a good spot for this trial. We will run a Master Zariel's Challenge soon and will post ACT logs for that as well.
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Fighter / Barbarian don't have to invest in Awareness (because easily capped with Daily / Mechanic) so they can concentrate on all the other defense stats. Justicar has to run an "Awareness build" that might have a high Awareness (around 65%+) but all the other defense stats will be pretty low then. So not only Fighter / Barbarian will cap Awareness easily (Justicar can't even reach 90%). They also have a lot higher defense stats overall too compared to Paladin.
If they don't give Justicar a way to negate Combat Advantage, I don't see the class to be relevant in any trial as tank.
With GF's being able to negate CA by using Dig In, they don't need to put points in this field (which is good) but Pallies need the same to be viable.
* GF's also have the combo of Bladed Rampart (daily) and Sharpened Senses (feat) to negate CA for the duration of the Daily.
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With Combat Advantage being on for bosses it changes the balance.
My current plan to roll out with the next build is that:
Dig In adds 15% awareness
Sharpened Senses adds 30% awareness to Bladed Rampart
Primal Instinct adds 30% awareness
Divine Protector now adds 30% awareness
That should give all tanks options and also not have a situation where any tank can essentially ignore awareness by having powers that max it out.
That sounds good - but if Pallies will be using the Daily Divine Protector for CA in boss fights, could you please consider removing the 3 minute cooldown from the feat Shield Of The Gods as they'll need to pop the Daily more frequently than that (makes Divine Protector work on self only - gives it the same effect as the Sharpened Senses/Bladed Rampart combo). To be fair to Fighters, maybe shorten DP to 10 secs when used with SotG so it matches the uptime of the Fighter combo?
Edit: Fighters will also get 15% Awareness from Dig In? I'm guessing you wouldn't be up to adding the same to Pallies Divine Palisade, but making it possible to activate Tab whilst their shield is up would be reeeaaaalllly welcome! Having to drop the shield, hit tab then raise shield makes things very awkward.
Bearing in mind:
GFs still have the advantage of being able to strike with their shield up whereas Pallies can't.
Fighters still recover Stamina under Dig In (at a reduced rate) whereas Pallies don't under Divine Palisade.
Dig In absorbs 75% of the Fighters HP but Palisade absorbs only 50% for the Pally (meaning they can keep it up for longer/use more frequently).
Hmm, actually, maybe I should just switch investment from my Pally to my GF!
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Question though as I can't recall; can the GF go from 'shield up' to 'dig in' by pressing tab or do they need to drop shield first? My fighter is just 20k so I've not run him through dungeons serious enough to warrant using it. I prefer using my Pally as his powers feel like they work more smoothly (to me) but I do appreciate the ability of the fighter tank.
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Edit - or are you referring to the strength of the 'dig in/palisade' effect? That is 60% of HP for fighter (ty to those who corrected me) and 50% for Pallies - I don't know what GWFs get.
@karvare you're right - sorry I wasn't at home so looked up the figures on the neverwinter wiki. In which case, the Pally version needs to match the GF (as does the Barbarian).
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This is with Unstoppable (Tab active).
I have 954,757 HP. With Unstoppable active, I blocked 477,379 damage. That is 50% of my total HP.
Unfortunately it doesn't say how much stamina Unstoppable provides anywhere in game. @noworries#8859 It would be much appreciated if the tool-tip for Unstoppable was updated so that is displays how much increased block Unstoppable provides when it is active. I would also appreciate our Tab mechanic providing the same amount of stamina as the other two tanks
To be clear, a Fighter cannot attack while using Dig In.
Perhaps play a Fighter and get some experience playing it at end-game, and then provide suggestions on how to improve it?