Let's discuss powercreep

Comments

• arazith07 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,719 Arc User

  November 2020

  Imo, it really depends on what the end result of scaling will look like. The whole point of the companion changes was so they could scale better, plus they have changes coming in M20 in regards to scaling, and at that point ToMM will likely be moved into scaled content, just like LoMM was. With regards to IC, Zariel, and the new dungeon though, I'm sure the enemy stats will be raised significantly which is ultimately supposed to be the counter to power creep.
  
  IMO, enemy rating should be placed at a level where endgame characters still have to make decision about where to place either offensive or defensive stats. Make us decide between Arpen, Acc, Crit, and CA as opposed to just letting us max all them out and stack more and more power.

  0
• originalsin

  originalsin#4257

  Member Posts: 47 Arc User

  November 2020

  That ToMM video is a bad example, sure, with a group of uber-experienced Zariel completed, you can run with out healers. Even then, the team was mostly arbiters and stones were used. But a lot of the player base still haven’t completed ToMM.

  0
• arazith07 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,719 Arc User

  November 2020

  originalsin#4257 said:

  That ToMM video is a bad example, sure, with a group of uber-experienced Zariel completed, you can run with out healers. Even then, the team was mostly arbiters and stones were used. But a lot of the player base still haven’t completed ToMM.

  The main difficulty with ToMM is just communication and coordination, which is just something that many pugs just don't do.

  0
• mentinmindmaker Member Posts: 1,490 Arc User

  November 2020

  One thing is scaling.
  
  Another thing is stat cap likely will be 100k? for mod 20. The stat cap system lets them rein in any power creep with each mod. Just raise stat caps without adding much better gear and things are under control again.
  
  Mod 19 probably is a bit out of control since we have both the mount and the companion changes in it, and those have added/will add a lot of stat points.

  0
• micky1p00 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,594 Arc User

  November 2020

  There is no magic here.
  
  Either there is that "capped" scaling, or no meaningful progress. Which is absurd in an MMO.
  
  Or content will become pathetic once players progress.
  
  Pick your poison.
  
  Personally, I'll rather see content become obsolete (due to power creep and the rewards within becoming irrelevant) and then refreshed with new rewards as Epic version for example. Than having capped "scaling" system, and have all the time invested in upgrades feel meaningless due to it bringing the player back to some set maximum stats.

  0
• nooneatza Member Posts: 173 Arc User

  November 2020 edited November 2020

  @micky1p00 i may have an option that you didn't think about ! (not entirely mine as it's somewhat inspired from other games in the same genre).
  
  What if there would be no downscaling at all?
  
  Meaning there would only be upscaling, as in if you're under let's say stat caps and x power/hp (depending on content obv) you would get upscaled to that exact amount/or less depending on how far below those stats you are, and up to a limit on power/hp. And as soon as you reach the actual stat caps and set power "requirement" you get the cold turkey treatment, no upscaling applied whatsoever
  
  smol example:
  player #1 at 30k stats and 50k power, he queues lomm, inside he'll get like 50k stats and 100k power
  player #2 at 50k stats and 90k power, he queues lomm, inside he'll get stat capped at 68k and 140k power
  player #3 at 68k stats and 180k power, he queues lomm, inside he'll get stat capped at 68k and 180k power
  (numbers pulled out of my behind just to give a practical example of my idea)
  
  In my mind this would remove the feeling of "i'm not fighting content, i'm fighting downscaling" that often comes with downscaling. And instead if you're way too weak for said thing you'd get a bump(UP TO A LIMIT), and if you have reached the required stats there will be no more bump for you.
  This would probably go hand in hand with cryptic's mindset that people should access all the content immediately, non-progression oriented players would welcome this change i think, and progression oriented players wouldn't feel neutered when playing so they wouldn't moan.
  Although with my idea the only way of fighting power creep would be the initial revamp of the content and a break from adding ridiculous amounts of stats and 15-20k power with each content release, but i have seen this work in another mmo i've been keeping up with, powercreep isn't rampant there because the content has been revamped once with "very slightly above average" stats in mind at the time, and years later oneshots are still not a thing because they didn't get crazy amounts of stats with every release.
  
  I'll repeat myself, powercreep should definitely be a thing, just that in neverwinter it's waaay too abrupt currently.
  
  
  I'm aware this will probably never come to pass as there would need to be some difficulty adjustments to every mob around the game and it would make the entire concept of item level pretty irrelevant.

  0
• sagakaiyume

  sagakaiyume#0847

  Member Posts: 402 Arc User

  November 2020

  Or...have tiered content similar to Tales of old...Random que is no scaling involved, with private being able to choose tiered content of each dungeon.

  0
• callumf

  callumf#9018

  Member Posts: 1,710 Arc User

  November 2020

  My only comment is get rid of scaling and also power up the mobs in end game stuff accordingly, so you HAVE to get your stats right with a good balanced group and co-ordination to finish end game stuff.
  
  Surely that is what an MMO should be all about?

  0
• kharkov58 Member Posts: 668 Arc User

  November 2020

  That is assuming you have anywhere near your current stats after the companion changes. The changes announced to date from the dev's do not come anywhere near making up for the loss of bonding runestones.

  0