Make [weapon] enchantments great again!

dracory1#6808 Member Posts: 112 Arc User
Right, so before people think I am one of those people who want old 50% critical severity vorpal. No. This is about the underdogs of enchantments.
There are 12 weapon enchantments total in the game, all have their functionality. The baseline nowadays is:
  • Vorpal/Holy Avenger for healers.
  • Vorpal/Bilethorn/Lightning for DPS.
  • Vorpal/Bronzewood/Lightning for Tanks.
  • Bloodtheft for soloing.
Noticed something? That's only 6 out of 12 enchants. Where are the others? Well, let me compare.

This is vorpal. It's fine for all classes, better for some DPS, worse for the other. Balanced, simple. Not much to say here.

Holy Avenger. It's healer only, but it seems a bit weak for some healers. For paladins it is often a very good choice. Overall balanced, no idea if it should be changed.

Bloodtheft. Pocket health stone for those who solo dungeons and don't want to use potions. No need to touch it right now, maybe in PvP it should give 10% rather than 50% but I have yet to see someone run it there.

Lightning. AoE for DPS, aggro keeper for a tank. Seems fine to me.

And now let's get to the other enchants. I will start with bronzewood.

Okay, doesn't seem bad. In a trial with 2 tanks can have almost 100% upkeep time.

Now let's take a look at this. Feytouched.

10% damage reduction is not bad, but the daily requirement puts it far behind preferable enchants for a tank.
In my opinion, to make it a viable choice it should be giving out the same effect as bronzewood, just with damage dealt reduction on an enemy. It certainly would not break the current meta and possibly make it a bit more variable.

That would be for Bronzewood-type enchants.
Now the real fun begins.

Bilethorn. The unchanging meta for all the DPS who hit fast enough to cover their entire screen in numbers on a single monster, making it look like as if someone turned on damage floaters of a barbarian, rogue and a warlock in the Infernal Citadel after tank pulled all the monsters into one spot. Jokes aside, it is fairly powerful but balances out with Vorpal - some DPS still prefer the Vorpal over Bilethorn for a reason.

But then we have 3 enchants that fall behind...

Dread. It has no special effect. It's simply 10 bonus magnitude every second. With how bilethorn currently works, it's 40 magnitude per second due to upkeep time and stacks. My suggestion? Make it stack up to 4 times and give it a unique control effect. I wouldn't recommend anything that disables unless it's once every 20 seconds for up to 3 seconds.

Plague Fire. It's simply disappointing. 7.5 magnitude every second plus 150 magnitude every 20 seconds - Bilethorn does 160 in 4 seconds. It falls behind for 500 magnitude on bilethorn. Sure, the AoE effect is nice but it's not enough. Before suggesting anything further though...

Flaming. What in the world? Same effect but the burst is halved? Come on.
Suggestion to make both similar yet different and viable:
On Plague Fire the explosion should be stronger, hitting for 300 magnitude every 10 seconds and DoT damage upped to 3 magnitude per stack. This could make Plague Fire a viable choice along with Vorpal.
Now Flaming. Just like before, 3 magnitude per stack. Explosions being upped to 150 magnitude and having an additional effect of 75 magnitude DoT on all affected enemies every second for 4 seconds with the first DoT proccing a second after the initial 150 magnitude burst with a cooldown of 15 seconds.

Bilethorn and Dread would be basically the same though Dread would deal damage in stacks rather than single hits. Both would be in line.
Over one minute, simplifying, the damage total would depend on crits but going by magnitude it's .
Plague Fire and Flaming with their new changes would barely fall behind with 2340 magnitude count total but build up over next minute to possibly outshine the rivaling Bilethorn and Dread.

And lastly... I am not even sure what purpose those serve? PvP joke builds?
I will start with this one since that's easier to fix.

Frost. It's literally Bilethorn but without damage. In my opinion it the slowness effect plus recharge penalty is fine, but for the sake of loving god - do add damage similar to Bilethron on at-wills.

And something that blew my mind when I saw it:

How did this get a pass? The root effect is only 12% on daily power. Currently I can use daily power every 20 seconds if I use Alliance Battle Horn, 2x Greater Corrupt and Envenomed Journal at once. For rangers to be more annoying in PvP than they already are it could work if it was not 12% at rank 14! That's still over every 8th daily you will use! Not to mention that it's useless in PvE!
I have no idea how to fix this... well, it's garbage. It needs a full on rework with it's root effect and a damage effect or an additional encounter based control effect.

That's it from me for now. I could add in armor enchants but that's a whole different story - almost all need their own rework.


  • nisckis
    nisckis Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 655 Arc User
    I think same as you, something should be done.

    For PVE, personally I would be raising the numbers from the half less used ones bit by bit like once every 4 weeks (almost 1 month) categorizing them by for DPS/tank/healer, that means that if one enchant is meant to be used only by tanks then only take into account the tanks, although always keeping an eye on the other classes use of this "unintended" enchant.

    In theory, if this is done bit by bit, there is very little chance that it will suddenly change the meta because normal people would use whatever they like (fashion/aspect) if everything is similar.

    This is in theory because we also know that many people usually keeps using the same that everyone uses because the "herd effect" and the "guides say A, B, C".

    This cycle can be used for all enchants, no matter if weapon or armour. You start doing this cycle with 50% worse items and then keep decreasing the pool size of modified ones when the usage starts to "balance".

    This is a simplistic, yet easy to implement, approach. Because you could factor what you increase by a bit on classes, IL, content played, an so on.
  • rikitaki
    rikitaki Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited October 2020
    OP: you have forgotten one - and sadly the one I was curious about. The Prominence enchantment.

    Because... that is a funny one - it is supposed to shield you (I haven't noticed that effect lately) and gives you 27 magnitude AoE bursts after a while. I had it on my rogue. As I said, I think the shielding does not work. The damage output however was summed up for me by the combat log (understand the 4,5% that every rank 13 gives plus the 27 magnitude bursts once in a while.) They summed up to... 0,5% damage increase. That is not a typo. The rank 13 offensive weapon enchantment increased my damage by the total of 0,5%.)
    How is it possible, that it ended up even lower than the declared general 4,5%? Because I was measuring in a skirmish, on a Rogue.
    The problem is with DoT and non-power sources of damage. Those do not take over the rank related damage, so if you use a smoke bomb, path of the sword, poisoned, oppressive darkness and for example owlbear comp with one tenebrous, most of your damage is not counted in at all.

    And that is it. I noticed a claim in the Redeemed Citadel AMA about not touching the enchantments to not shift the meta, but that is a rather misguided attitude. Half of the enchants - and the mechanics itself - need to be touched to push them outside the realm of measurement errors and deviations.

    edit: correction to 27 mag
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  • dracory1#6808
    dracory1#6808 Member Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited October 2020
    You are right, I forgot about prominence. Didn't see it on preview, so my bad. As for it's current state, I do guess it's supposed to be a defensive weapon enchantment, could be a secondary choice to Bloodtheft. If the shield would work then I suppose it's really fair as 400 magnitude would cover around 200% of a DPS's HP - assuming it does crit and can benefit from combat advantage hits.

    I assume that the burst effect would work similarly as with Plague Fire I presented here, but much weaker as it is supposed to protect rather than deal damage. The stacks would be kept up until depleted while Prominent, 10 seconds cooldown after Prominent procs to gain new stacks.

    EDIT: I saw that the stack total is 20. If 20 magnitude x 20 would benefit from crits and combat advantage (based on the hit of an at-will, encounter or daily), then the shield generated could be twice as big as a DPS HP.
  • kranky#1106
    kranky#1106 Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    just a note BloodTheft is an armor enchant not a weapon enchant (i know there is a weapon enchant that is blood something and it gives life steal)
  • altmerpower
    altmerpower Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 101 Arc User
    Is this last weapon enchant so bad that players dont ever remember it exists? lol
    Its called Lifedrinker Enchantment!!

    Info: Lifedrinker Enchantment, rank 14
    Your At-will encounters and Daily powers deal 5% bonus damage as Necrotic damage.
    Increase your life steal chance by 5%.
    When activating your At-will,encounters and Daily powers, you have a 5% chance to double this enchantments Lifesteal chance for 10 sec.
    This cannot happen more than once every 20 sec.
  • zimxero#8085
    zimxero#8085 Member Posts: 876 Arc User
    All of that was brought up during original preview testing. They were too busy fixing and adjusting other things to touch them again. Now, they work and aren't 'broken' so they remain unchanged. I agree, its lame. We don't need equality, but with this much difference... it shows a lack of game development.
  • rubytrue
    rubytrue Member Posts: 565 Arc User
    Dread is actually BiS for characters running a Xuna or an Abyssal Chicken build.....