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thavi2013
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`critical healing chance = 0.4 x (critical strike / power) = critical strike / (0.25 x power)`

I also recommend to check out Janne's page about healing mechanics! https://jannenw.info/pages/mechanics16/heals

My old post from Mod16:

Since the AMA we know that crit healing is based on a ratio between critical strike and power. So I did some tests to find a formula. I was using different ratios while standing in the lava in Mount Hotenow and healing myself with Bastion of Health.

`crit chance = 0.333 x (critical strike / power) = critical strike / (3 x power)`

Tests to check the cap:

9k Power and 22k Critical Strike. Result: 222/417 crit heals (53%).

50k Power and 120k Crit. Result: 100/200 (50%).

Conclusion: seems to be capped at 50%. Would make sense because DPS crit chance is also capped at 50%.

Tests to check the relation between Power and Critical Strike:

Power | Critical Strike | Ratio (Crit:Power) | Crit Chance | Chance / Ratio |
---|---|---|---|---|

24k | 6k | 0.25 | 7% (8/108) | 0.28 |

26k | 13k | 0.5 | 13% (19/144) | 0.26 |

165k | 97k | 0.59 | 15% (30/200) | 0.25 |

155k | 120k | 0.77 | 28% (111/400) | 0.36 |

100k | 97k | 0.97 | 28% (56/200) | 0.29 |

120k | 120k | 1.0 | 34% (134/400) | 0.34 |

5.2k | 5.2k | 1.0 | 30% (59/200) | 0.3 |

95k | 120k | 1.26 | 41% (164/400) | 0.33 |

100k | 137k | 1.37 | 42% (84/200) | 0.31 |

I hope this is useful for someone.

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1,780Member Arc UserI'm still going to pretend that this system doesn't exist and continue to build like a sane person, but I appreciate you taking the time to test and sharing the information.

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1,140Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc UserI don't quite understand the second dataset at Crit/power 1.0.

Is that 5.2k power and crit? 52K? Is that a typo?

Imma try on a naked preview test toon, this time with

fixationof variables.Null H: With fixed crit stat, no change in crit chance with variance of power.

Appreciate you taking the initiative. This needs to be resolved.

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58Member Arc User11Member Arc User1,140Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc UserCrit rate is 15% at 97K Crit (127K Pwr)?

>90K stat points functionally erased?

Wow. I sure hope that is wrong.

Because if that is NOT wrong in the literal/statistical sense, that IS "wrong" in the logical and equivocal sense.

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11Member Arc UserLooking at my tests with larger samples (400), it seems the factor could be 0.333 (1/3). So maybe more like

`Crit chance = Critical Strike / (Power * 3)`

?1,140Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc UserWhen did low level healers (and

ONLYhealers, not DPS in this formula) ever complain "gee, I wish I could crit as much as those elite healers".It's a solution in need of a problem. Tail wagging the dog, etc.

Well, let's get to testing it then.

But we need some more strict controls/methodology:

Preview isolation (empty instance)

"naked" toon (respec, test weapon, minimum gear to add offense slotted radiants and empowered only)

Crit fixed/constant just above cap

Titrate power (crit constant) from min to max with fixed-quantum source (eg. radiants, empowered)

High N value... ugh. This is gonna take a while.

I'm on it...

Edit:

This is my prediction.

35931pw 80215cr

If Crit chance = Critical Strike / (Power * 3) ...

... then the "ratio reduction" will be visible when crit chance drops below cap (which is why you test just ABOVE crit cap with fixed crit):

80215/(P*3)= .49 or .49(P*3)=80215

P= 54568If this equation is correct, my crit % will begin dropping beneath cap at

54.5K Power.Working on it...

I am Took."Full plate and packing steel" in NW since 2013.

11Member Arc User1,140Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User> Did some more quick tests to check if the formula is plausible. As you suggested with Crit fixed. Here are my results (sample size was only 100 per test): Power Crit Expected Value Test Result 10k 15k 0.5 0.56 (56/100) 12.6k 15k 0.4 0.38 (38/100) 15k 15k 0.333 0.29 (29/100) 25k 15k 0.2 0.23 (23/100)

>

> I think that looks pretty plausible, no big deviations.

You are sooo much more patient than me.

I am ready the chew off my arm around Bastion of health #75 lol.

I'm only up to 5 of 10 runs (100 each).

But spoiler: pretty similar results so far.

You've shamed me into finishing, just for SCIENCE.

That is some awesome effort and dedication. Thanks.

I am Took."Full plate and packing steel" in NW since 2013.

11Member Arc UserThank you also for taking the time to test this. The more independent tests we have, the better.

By the way. I noticed that my crit heals were lower than expected. There seems to be something wrong with crit severity. Time for even more testing!

11Member Arc UserPowerCritical StrikeExpectedACT ResultAlso, keep in mind that my Power was fluctuating because of buffs (Alabaster, Gurtunk's etc).

I noticed people are very sceptical about this formula, because the crit chance is so low: "This cannot be! My crit chance is much higher!!!". Well, I would probably say the same if I had not tested this myself. And I think there is a simple explanation: the crit chance is calculated for each player individually. That means when healing multiple players you will often see at least one crit. Moreover, don't look at Healing Word! Crit for HW is calculated for the very first tick. All subsequent ticks will crit if the first one did.

It would be great if more people would make their own tests and shared the results

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572Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User11Member Arc User`Critical healing chance = 0.4 * crit / power = crit / (power * 2.5)`

Also make sure to check out Janne's mechanics page, it's awesome: https://jannenw.info/pages/mechanics16/heals

11Member Arc UserI can have 160k power,I can go as high as 60% outgoing healing bonus, Critical strike can be as high as 120k, Crit severity 90%

I cant have all at once whats the happy best stats pls.

Thank you.

1,780Member Arc Userstilldependent on crit/power ratio. I was hopeful that they'd drop this counterintuitive approach, but obviously not.Contagion - Cleric

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116Member Arc User> This is awesome. BUT can you you put in game terms, for the dummies like me.

> I can have 160k power,I can go as high as 60% outgoing healing bonus, Critical strike can be as high as 120k, Crit severity 90%

> I cant have all at once whats the happy best stats pls.

> Thank you.

Outgoing healing is top priority. Power next. Then crit. Last is CS.

Never sacrifice power for crit and never sacrifice outgoing healing for anything

1,117Member Arc User18Member Arc User11Member Arc User438Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User12Member Arc User1,780Member Arc UserHowever, critical healing for Cleric and Warlock should be taken with a grain of salt. Paladins gain a special benefit in that their overhealing generates more shielding and is rarely wasted; Clerics and Warlocks gain no benefit at all from overhealing and can never plan on a crit heal.

Yes, your overall healing output will be affected by crits, but depending on the situation and on which powers you're using at the time, it may also be of limited or no practical benefit.

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