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mcfobmcfob Member Posts: 76 Arc User
DPS GF=no one wants a dps'er that does 2/3 the damage of others, the only possible hope is to run itf and hopefully end gamers will want the speed buff to run dungeons faster, but then your damage changes to 1/2 the others.

Tank GF=I am seeing the trend to opt out on having a tank, but if a party does indeed want a tank, they clearly are going to take the op over GF. The op has versatility, can do some damage (easily taking out mimics, for example), and has some party protections.

Possible solutions:

1. Give the dps some threat generating tools so you can keep aggro and be a dps tank lite. Most end game parties would want a dps GF if they knew they could skip the tank and have the dps gf keep aggro. Plus, would help with the godawful Vengence mechanic if things wanted to attack you and make it proc quickly. Seriously, even if we didn't have to waste dps time with the squat and had perma-Vengence, we would still be waaaaay behind the other classes in dps.
2. Give us some significant party buff stuff. ITF party damage buff should return, further increasing our value at the end game, and ITF, greater endurance and momentum should all be available for the tank spec.
3. Give the tank spec some damage, at least equal to divine judgement/smite combo on op.
4. Give tank spec some party-wide shield temp hp buff
5. Increase combat superiority buff to include everything, or jack it up more on at wills.

Feel free to add solution options or comment

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  • cerberusforcescerberusforces Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    Gf will no one cares. Devs have a lot of problems with mod 16. Fighter will wait several months, until devs destroy other char and improve GF. Here nothing happens accidentally, sonetimes they destroy one ench and improve second. Next time they destroy one char and improve other. That's how this game works. They constrain on players to constantly change.
  • rjc9000rjc9000 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,350 Arc User
    Of course we stink, it's what happen when we take a dump on the toilet for so long without wiping our behind.
    mcfob said:


    1. Give the dps some threat generating tools so you can keep aggro and be a dps tank lite. Most end game parties would want a dps GF if they knew they could skip the tank and have the dps gf keep aggro. Plus, would help with the godawful Vengence mechanic if things wanted to attack you and make it proc quickly. Seriously, even if we didn't have to waste dps time with the squat and had perma-Vengence, we would still be waaaaay behind the other classes in dps.

    Not happening.

    I hear you can already complete Lair with a 4x DPS/1x healer setup that doesn't involve our beloved bottom tier class. Changing Boat spec to a tank/DPS mix will not motivate people to take Goofy Fighters off the bench.
    mcfob said:


    2. Give us some significant party buff stuff. ITF party damage buff should return, further increasing our value at the end game

    Also not happening.

    In their infinite "wisdom", the dev team removed 98% of all buffs in the game so one phases won't happen.
    I doubt that they'll make Goofy Fighter special and give them a team buff, even if it was something laughable at 2.5%.

    Or asterdahl or noworries will point to Commander's Strike and say "there's your team buff" (never mind it's a debuff and even considering it is technically bugged at double the listed value, the 10% debuff isn't enough to warrant picking bottom tier deeps over a class with actual damage) and go about their day.
    mcfob said:

    ITF, greater endurance and momentum should all be available for the tank spec.

    Also not happening.

    Scour hard enough on the preview threadand you'll see some of us asked for things like ITF or Momentum to be universal.

    Guess what feedback was(n't) "considered"?
    mcfob said:


    3. Give the tank spec some damage, at least equal to divine judgement/smite combo on op.

    How about we just nerf Smite and Bane base damage?
    If every tank class is equally awful at dealing damage, they're all technically balanced, right? :trollface:
    mcfob said:


    4. Give tank spec some party-wide shield temp hp buff

    mcfob said:


    5. Increase combat superiority buff to include everything, or jack it up more on at wills.

    Both of these are within the scope of possibility for the devs to do... if you give them another 5 months...

  • mcfobmcfob Member Posts: 76 Arc User
    So lets see...getting a group together to run LoMM, HR? sure, ranged attack, nice dps. CW? absolutely, great dps, also ranged. TR? Oh yeah, even a low geared TR will pump out some amazing dps. SW? oh yeah, decent dps, and healing option as well.
    DC? sure, dps is decent and also has ranged capability and there is the healing. OP? Of course! Nice tank, nice tank dps, healadin option, probably the best support toon. Barbarian? Well, I guess, dps is a little below the curve, but still not too bad, much better than goofy fighter. Goofy fighter? Well, if we can't find an op I guess we have no choice but take a goof fighter tank, but our healer better be pretty damn good. What? you say you want to play a dps goofy fighter? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't think so.
  • namelesshero347namelesshero347 Member Posts: 2,096 Arc User
    Every mod has laughing stock class. For many mods, it's been the TR. But this mod, TR is the rock star and GF is the dumpster fire.
  • stark760stark760 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 462 Arc User
    They finally killed ITF and the group aspect. Now to run, you have to be "goofy" DPS build. Since they came out with OP, it's been a constant struggle to compete with devs changes and the nerfing of the GF tank. At least for now, the Dev that had a crusade to make the GF/F garbage, they've won.
  • lantern22lantern22 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    Pretty sure Vanguard has a class feature to increase run speed by 10%.
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