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rubber banding even more extreme than usual after a new mod drops

pelgraxpelgrax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 486 Arc User
in General Discussion (PC)
What is with the EXTREME rubber banding / server issues . It's usually BAD after a new module drops but it's way worse than normal .
Get about a 2 second delay between summoning a teleport sign before I can interact with it . Going into the workshop and after emptying the chest and the going over to the desk I am usually rubber banded back to the chest ( or in some cases further behind the chest ) or again have a few seconds before I can interact with the desk . Ran a few master expeditions earlier and the whole group was stuttering along . You could see the encounters failing to fire .

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  • sandukutupusandukutupu Member Posts: 2,285 Arc User
    Normally one can blame the latency on other issues... but when you are running the content and everyone around you is rubber-banding just as bad. They don't even need complain about it either, as you can see other players freeze in mid air while you move by them. I agree with the original poster, there is something amiss here. Time for the server techs to put on their firefighting gear and roll out the hoses.
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  • lordseth1985lordseth1985 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 319 Arc User
    Yeah I'm lagging a lot on YP and Undermountain as well...
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  • strixblitz64#0785 strixblitz64
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         Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    the rubberbanding makes some things unplayable. it becomes impossable to move out of the red areas. can't count how many times i have died because of this

  • sandukutupusandukutupu Member Posts: 2,285 Arc User
    pantha7 said:

    why cryptic can't take a look at Blizzards servers...15 years of WOW with the countless servers that never never lagg...if they want more players they need to create more servers....what ..they have a cost to do that ...they have to get used to it....

    I apologize for laughing at your post, but comparing Cryptic's 1 server to Blizzard's servers for WoW is funny. Like comparing a unicycle to a train. My husband (firmware designer for EDE, and has a server room in our house) told me there really is no way to make a lag free server, but there are "tricks" when you have access to as many servers as Blizzard has available to them. You might as well compare them to your local bank or shopping retailer. Cryptic is running all 3 games for the PC, plus 2 for the 2 consoles on just 1 machine. They have 7 divisions (shards) just for the activity of playing these games. Other divisions include, Preview shards, character loading, and debugging.

    When they are talk about the financial issues of hiring people to work on the new MMO, it is pretty obvious they don't have the funds to buy a new server. If they could afford to run as little as 3 servers it would lighten the load greatly and you might not see latency as often. This is just talking about the hardware. I think this is a server software issue, as I don't see this latency in Champions or Star Trek. Also I noticed with module 16 they reduced the Protector's Enclave instance cap from 40 to 15, which makes perfect sense in an area that is just a hub and not used for combat.
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  • mentinmindmakermentinmindmaker Member Posts: 1,492 Arc User
    I am very rarely lagging in NW. My last serious round of lag was Tales of the Old where Cryptic has some server overload issues.

    And if the server lags, everyone will lag.

    So it is very unlikely that Cryptic's servers are the source of lag.

    It also worth mentioning that a fairly big server costs only 1/10th of a FTE.. so hardware actually is cheap compared to everything else. Little reason to not buy more if you really need it, but also it does not make sense to dimension your server capacity for the most extreme peaks.

    The most common sources of lag are:
    * The network. Usually not your local hop, but the backbone between you and Cryptic. Use tools like traceroute and ping to diagnose this, it is not very hard to do.
    * Issues on your PC. Not necessarily too weak hardware, but problems like too many other programs running while you play, or outdated drivers etc.

    It is my general impression that people prefer the explanation that Cryptic's servers lag, because that means it is not their responsibility to fix the lag. Network problems need to be fixed by yelling at your ISP or switching ISP. PC problems need to be fixed by fixing your PC. So much easier to just complain about Cryptic. :)
  • kemnimtarkaskemnimtarkas Member Posts: 838 Arc User
    sandukutupu said:



    I apologize for laughing at your post, but comparing Cryptic's 1 server to Blizzard's servers for WoW is funny.

    If they are that small, why are they bothering to run their own server? I'm not a net admin, but isn't that kind of old school thinking? Why not rent space from AWS or a similar service to handle traffic surges?
  • navras#4653 navras
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         Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    mentinmindmaker said:

    I am very rarely lagging in NW. My last serious round of lag was Tales of the Old where Cryptic has some server overload issues.

    And if the server lags, everyone will lag.

    So it is very unlikely that Cryptic's servers are the source of lag.

    It also worth mentioning that a fairly big server costs only 1/10th of a FTE.. so hardware actually is cheap compared to everything else. Little reason to not buy more if you really need it, but also it does not make sense to dimension your server capacity for the most extreme peaks.

    The most common sources of lag are:
    * The network. Usually not your local hop, but the backbone between you and Cryptic. Use tools like traceroute and ping to diagnose this, it is not very hard to do.
    * Issues on your PC. Not necessarily too weak hardware, but problems like too many other programs running while you play, or outdated drivers etc.

    It is my general impression that people prefer the explanation that Cryptic's servers lag, because that means it is not their responsibility to fix the lag. Network problems need to be fixed by yelling at your ISP or switching ISP. PC problems need to be fixed by fixing your PC. So much easier to just complain about Cryptic. :)

    excuse me, what?? All of my guildies and myself, and people who met randomly have terrible lag after the hitting of mod 16. Rubberbanding everywhere, ping is skyrocketed. None of those issues had happened at this much before. I don't remember before mod 16, i didn't see any lag complaints besides people who knew it was because of their ISP. What happened now then? And what seems to be the the ultimate occurance that happened to everyone simultaneously with mod 16 launch?? Anyone who plays Neverwinter got their ISP's sabotaged at 23rd of april?? No, sir, it is because server overloading and server issues. Look at the steam numbers for example. Everyone trying to play the game(yes, trying) and servers are overloaded besides of the problems caused by server's itself.
  • sandukutupusandukutupu Member Posts: 2,285 Arc User
    kemnimtarkas said:

    sandukutupu said:



    I apologize for laughing at your post, but comparing Cryptic's 1 server to Blizzard's servers for WoW is funny.

    If they are that small, why are they bothering to run their own server? I'm not a net admin, but isn't that kind of old school thinking? Why not rent space from AWS or a similar service to handle traffic surges?
    My husband said that same thing, why not lease a server farm. I doubt that Amazon Web Services (AWS) is a good choice for them, but they are a good example of a server farm and what an individual can accomplish by using them. The company they lease from (depending on legal issues about software ownership) would need to be approved by PWE and anyone else with a vested interest in their license. Lots of lawyers involved. Some server farms have terms, that a percentile of company net profits go into the funding, others attach themselves to the software (stating all the software) placed on their servers becomes their property to some degree. While not all server farms have "evil intent" they do work for those without the power to afford their own.

    If it is "server side" software, causing the latency, moving it off to someone else will not fix the issue.
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  • hustin1hustin1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,464 Arc User
    Kick off Stronghold Marauders at your guild stronghold and make sure your seat belts are on. Talk about rubberbanding -- it makes the the entire map unplayable.
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  • sandukutupusandukutupu Member Posts: 2,285 Arc User
    edited May 2019

    I made this for all the people telling me in chat, there is no latency in the game.

    I really love you guys, but seriously there is more latency,
    and I am not even running at prime time.

    Anyone else having issues with server lag?

    Please post here on this topic: High Latency
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