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frozenfirevrfrozenfirevr Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,475 Community Moderator
edited September 2018 in General Discussion (PC)
I wanted to share my views on the Neverwinter community and moderation. I often times used to hear about how negative feedback or messages are not allowed on the forum. Having experienced it for over a month, that is absolutely not the case. There are some issues causing this perception though.
  • People notice only when things are moderated, and those quite likely end up being negative. All unmoderated negative feedback is never paid attention to when arriving at such a point of view.
  • The feedback, often times, is mixed with other emotions and this is where most issues arise. Instead of saying "This is very irritating and should be changed." people go "Which HAMSTER came up with this idea? This HAMSTER absolutely HAAAAAAAMSTER! H-A-M-S-T-E-R!!!" which obviously isn't very nice.
  • Having seen things, there are three common causes for posts being moderated:-
    • Flaming/Trolling/Bashing. All this does is aggravate others and is absolutely pointless. If you disagree with something, try to put forth a polite argument that cannot be disagreed with. If somebody is not being reasonable, just leave them be. They and the others know the facts.
    • Discussing Moderation. This, again is not helpful. The post has been removed for a reason (likely one of these). If you disagree with the reason, talk to the community team. Other players cannot help with that. All you could possibly seek to achieve by doing this is the previous point.
    • Discussing Exploits and Repercussions. This also isn't of any use. The dev/community teams have no influence on Customer Support (they don't even work for the same company). All this could do is pool together anger (ofcourse you won't be happy with what had happened). So, take up these issues with the Customer Support.
It might be just a single post for you but having to try and go through hundreds of them is tiring to say the least. If you could be calm and keep the above mentioned things (along with the other rules, but those are less likely to be an issue) in mind while clicking that post button, we'll be happy to keep it as is. And finally, show some basic courtesy and don't make people regret expressing their opinions (I'd appreciate it if you don't make me regret this post either :tongue:).

This will probably change nothing, but thanks for reading.

Mod edit: While your general comments on this are welcome (until the 28th), please keep in mind, all the rules still apply.
FrozenFire
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  • pteriaspterias Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 661 Arc User
    I've been moderated a handful of times, but even when I find it annoying, I get it. Heck, sometimes I'm glad things get shut down before I *really* get myself into trouble!

    Something I always try to keep in mind is:
    "Moderation is the price we pay for a civilized internet."
  • constantmule#4943 constantmule Member Posts: 90 Arc User
    oh yueah, i agree. some things should be modded..most things probably, i mean we humans are a bit well..anyhow, i feel they go a bit far with it. but im not running these forums (thank god, because i hate doing that). we do have other forums which is a good thing. i just wish i would not be forced to go to so many different sources for one thing
  • micky1p00micky1p00 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,391 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    I think there is a recent significant change in how moderation handled (just before you joined). Not complaining, just to note.
    Guild: The Imaginary Friends
    If you disagree with me: My opinions are my own and do not reflect on my guild and friends.
    If you agree with me: My opinions are totally the guild official policy !
    ;)
  • kvetkvet Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,700 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    so, @frozenfirevr first off, thanks for the reasonable post. I do have one question though on your third point relate to exploits and repercussions since you brought it up. I do understand the point of the rules, and definitely understand why it's inappropriate to discuss those topics in the forum... but... when things happen like happened recently (we *all* know what I mean here) - it seems like PWE and/or Cryptic should release a statement explaining what's going on. I realize there was a VERY brief statement on the XBOX forum, but I mean something after the fact saying, yes... this happened. It happened because of this... etc. Clearly you can't detail who was taken action against (though that becomes common knowledge quickly enough anyway), but it's extremely frustrating for us, as the player community, to know such a thing has taking place, to have questions, and to be effectively stiff armed. Not everyone feels comfortable approaching mods or Cryptic staff directly (I mean you guys are kinda smelly sometimes... :) ) so... it seems only fair, when major actions like this occur, that Cryptic be willing to discuss it a bit- yes, the thread will need to be heavily policed because it can easily get off track... but a discourse still seems like it would be reasonable in cases like this.
  • nitocris83nitocris83 Member, Cryptic Developer, Administrator Posts: 3,797 Community Manager
    Hey folks, I just wanted to step in and say that I'm reading all the comments posted here with great interest, as this is an important matter to me. But this is Frozen's thread so I don't want to derail it or refocus the attention in a way he did not intend. But, I'm here. I'm reading. And I'm keeping an open mind.
  • gromovnipljesak#8234 gromovnipljesak Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    what if i write i'll put my hamster in your hamster hole, without any intention of making an innuendo?
  • shadoewraythshadoewrayth Member Posts: 178 Arc User
    dupeks said:

    Here's the problem: the devs, studio, and community team set the volunteer mods up for a bad time. In essence, they don't invest in community relations very well, make ruthless / brutal customer service decisions, and use the goodwill of the mods to clean up the repeated blowback, asking you to filter through awful bile and vitriol in the process.

    I could not agree more. With the numerous bans recently, along with the swiftness of fixing that specific bug (that hurt THEIR pocket), while taking forever to fix any bugs that hurt OURS, then smacking our hands for openly discussing it, or just having horrible community relations, only you guys to deal with it? I’ll be amazed if the game continues to do well at his rate.

    As for trolling...

    This forum is no different than any other in this regard. Very often, the moderation that occurs is to the ‘victim’ of the trolls, not the trolls themselves. A troll posts replies that push other posters to get heated up, and eggs them on further, and further, and no steps are taken to deal with it. But, when someone bites back, usually in a very heated way... THEY get moderated, fussed at, and more. I’ve seen that happen here in the past, no recent examples, but I bet nothing has changed. And, other forums for other games are exactly the same. I guess it is easier to only look for the inflamed responses, than to watch for trolls being trollish?

    But, those are my thoughts...
  • frozenfirevrfrozenfirevr Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,475 Community Moderator

    actually it is because things like someone says "wow you were even complementing them and they modded that out"..things as simple as that get an entire post deleted, even if that was just one line that was just part of the side topic of the discussion.

    Editing things out is usually avoided to prevent altering the view presented by somebody's post or if it is central to the discussion. What you're saying could've been done but considering the quantum of work needed, could've been not paid enough attention to.

    its against the rules to have speak any criticism.

    That's entirely the point of this discussion. Criticism is welcome as long as it keeps the other points in mind.
    kvet said:

    I do understand the point of the rules, and definitely understand why it's inappropriate to discuss those topics in the forum... but... when things happen like happened recently (we *all* know what I mean here) - it seems like PWE and/or Cryptic should release a statement explaining what's going on. I realize there was a VERY brief statement on the XBOX forum, but I mean something after the fact saying, yes... this happened. It happened because of this... etc.

    I would agree with that but it did come as a surprise to everybody.

    All unmoderated negative feedback is never paid attention to when arriving at such a point of view.

    • Flaming/Trolling/Bashing. All this does is aggravate others and is absolutely pointless. If you disagree with something, try to put forth a polite argument that cannot be disagreed with. If somebody is not being reasonable, just leave them be. They and the others know the facts.
    • Discussing Moderation. This, again is not helpful. The post has been removed for a reason (likely one of these). If you disagree with the reason, talk to the community team. Other players cannot help with that. All you could possibly seek to achieve by doing this is the previous point.
    • Discussing Exploits and Repercussions. This also isn't of any use. The dev/community teams have no influence on Customer Support (they don't even work for the same company). All this could do is pool together anger (of course you won't be happy with what had happened). So, take up these issues with the Customer Support.
    You started a post about moderation so you cannot reasonably refuse to let us reply...
    I was just stating the forum rules :tongue:

    The problem is a lack of safe space to give constructive criticism on moderation.

    The criticism is on the moderation team. They are the ones that need to hear you so send a message instead and it WILL be looked at.

    NW Reddit is moderated by Official Forum/Cryptic chosen moderators.

    Cryptic does not, to my knowledge, choose who moderates Reddit. Only the owners of the sub do. And if there isn't even some degree of control maintained in there, things like AMAs will become very difficult to be done.

    The very mention of their unwelcome forum is a banning offense.

    Nobody is outright banned for anything. That being said, you really cannot expect such things to be allowed. A lot more happens than just discussing moderation which absolutely cannot be allowed and moreover, what's the point of moderation if it were?
    FrozenFire
  • jeremytheman232jeremytheman232 Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    > @nitocris83 said:
    > Hey folks, I just wanted to step in and say that I'm reading all the comments posted here with great interest, as this is an important matter to me. But this is Frozen's thread so I don't want to derail it or refocus the attention in a way he did not intend. But, I'm here. I'm reading. And I'm keeping an open mind.

    ^^^^ this is probably one of the very few reasons people including myself have decided to suck up the recent issue and move on. Direct contact even tho some is lost the forums are being read and we are being heard. Like ive posted before with winterfest every year the goodies that are free will make up for all probablems. I keep pulling up the zen purchase screen but im still hesitant to buy as i dont want to spend money and it be a waste. Alot of us are worried. Heck i refuse to run fbi anymore along with a bunch of my friends unless we are in a premade group. No more pub q and def no advanced q for me. Too scary for reasons everyone knows. But i try keeping positive and look at winterfest as the saving grace because the daily free gifts can be worth quite a bit. As ive played on xbox and ps4 i can say if it wasnt for winterfest alot of people wouldnt have so many mounts and companions. Thanks for being interactive with us. Just try being more tansparant with us. It woulda went a loooong way the past week.
  • fluffy6977fluffy6977 Member Posts: 291 Arc User
    The moderation here has improved significantly recently, hence folks like me feeling like it's worth writing responses again. But these forums still have a very bad rep, and well deserved, due to the previous actions. There are other places online where we can see most if not all of the comments that are moderated off of this forum, and there are as you say comments that absolutely deserve to be moderated. There have also been many unwarranted moderations. For instance, this entire thread is discussing moderation, and had a non-moderator posted it a couple years ago it would have been instantly sent to the nine hells.

    Keep up the good work Frozen. I like what I've seen so far.
  • spidey#3367 spidey Member Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited September 2018


    Discussing Exploits and Repercussions. This also isn't of any use. The dev/community teams have no influence on Customer Support (they don't even work for the same company). All this could do is pool together anger (ofcourse you won't be happy with what had happened). So, take up these issues with the Customer Support.
    Sry, but this is dumb in my opinion. A general discussion about the last bannwave should be allowed. So the players can state their issues. Only in the US Forum every thread is instant close where someone trys to make a thread just to speak out his sorrows ans questions.
    Am i the only one who is asking why?
    Why cant ppl talk here? Why cant banned players just saying they are sorry or what they feel? Why cant any honest player state what he/she thinks about the bannwave?
    Sry, but i have to ask: Does PW something hide?

  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 305 Arc User
    Its not about something to hide its about keeping them lowkey. Plus to keep the forums from becoming unmanagable.

    I am certain anyone who posts on the forums regularly has been the street preacher, standing on the wooden soap box, shouting at the heavens, "The END is nigh! Repent!". Some of my postings (for reasons that still elude me) got sent to the pit of despair and I got warned to stop bashing the developers. I believe everyone needs a good old fashion "kick in the pants" when they fail. I also respect them when they succeed. I know moderators are only human, don't work for Cryptic, and are also subject to bias opinions about the game. Some moderators and users want to hear nothing but sunshine, unicorns and rainbows on the forums. Others are trolls, haters, and just down right toxic in their posts. They can be 40 years old and act out like a 4 year old. I agree there is no need to curse or use bad language to make a point.

    This game company made some promises they failed to keep for over the last 5 years. I was an alpha tester, I felt ignored and betrayed, I tried to help, and nothing I did seemed to matter. I returned to NW shortly after beta, I didn't care for how they made the game design an arcade style 3rd person shooter. They gave both Star Trek and Champions "options" to switch between the MMO and FPS modes but removed it from NW. Was I disappointed? Yes, I was very disappointed.

    However I was here for the promised Foundry that was beta tested on ST. Today the Foundry is still in beta and full of bugs, many great Foundry authors left. The Foundry was suppose to offer the users new content between modules. They removed the 1 hour of double XP and removed the rewards (which made qualifying pointless) and the database is filled with the stale, broken, and unfinished works. The GUI has been just awful since the start. Worse yet they based the Auction House on AD and not Gold as both Champions and Star Trek has the Gold standard. This lead us to our economy collapsing. There is much more, as you can see, there is a lot of failure here already. Take note, I never resorted to cursing about it.

    The chat, in game and on the forums, over the past 2 years have become more and more toxic. I also blame a few game changes made for this psychological factor. The game pushes the envelope on gambling. Before you tell me your definition of gambling, let me tell you, The Journal of Consumer Research noted a clear pattern from media outlets (newspapers, television, internet), that lotteries and casinos were associated as legitimate forms of entertainment and business labeled most often as "gaming", while online counterparts frequently are labeled as "gambling" and associated more with crime. A Cornell University study showed that people who suffer gambling addiction still get the winners rush even when money is not at risk. Thus all games are gambling to some degree. Winning at Monopoly gives you a winner's rush and losing makes you feel bad.

    These online games rain free lottery tickets in the form of lock boxes. Keys then are purchased either using AD or cash to open the box. The toxic behavior results from a negative impact to generate AD or lose more frequent negates the "winner's rush". Making frequent changes to the rules of gambling are often seen as the house attempting to cheat the gambler/gamer. Cryptic could remove all the lock boxes and offer their contents for cash, but they know players addicted to this form, would seek out other sources, and fewer players would buy the items. They could never sell a legendary mount for 50000 zen in the store.

    Another change made to the game was the overtly restricted chat. This poor decision makes new players suffer through leveling well beyond level 25 to get the rights to; chat in any form what-so-ever. They are restricted from trading, mail, and all social activities. Isolation of a player is detrimental to their social development. Social interaction provides critical information, which leads to the creation of short- and long-term relationships. Relationships early in the game are important because they reinforce behaviors or actions in social situations that arise later. Without experience, sharing, or other social development skills, it is difficult to understand how to interact with players once they have been forced into this "lone wolf" persona. It is highly unlikely they would desire to join a guild for any reason. Robert D. Putnam released the book "Bowling Alone," in which he surveyed the declining participation in organizational groups in the United States. Rather than joining bowling leagues, the title suggests that we have refuted John Donne (No man is an island) and become individual islands. I play social games to be social and recently in another thread users told me "Conversations are not meant to be fun.".

    I don't blame Cryptic for creating these people or their mental state. They are certainly attracting them to this game. While not all players are abusive, the game company's decision process is also highly questionable at times.

    Well that was done because of well the botspam and more antibot measures. TO make sure they have a harder time. It has reduced the spam in protectors enclave. But yeah not sure but I think buying zen and having it verified also unlocks the chat or is that method not work now and you still have to go through those questlines?
  • thefiresidecatthefiresidecat Member Posts: 4,441 Arc User
    edited September 2018

    The very mention of their unwelcome forum is a banning offense.

    FrozenFiverwrote:
    Nobody is outright banned for anything. That being said, you really cannot expect such things to be allowed. A lot more happens than just discussing moderation which absolutely cannot be allowed and moreover, what's the point of moderation if it were?"

    (I lost some formating)

    I wrote:

    This seems very elephant in the room to me. We all know it's there. We all visit it. It's got very useful information for the game . Yeah so what if they discuss things that the forum is officially against. they also have really useful guides. The forum can't and shouldn't try to control freedom of speech outside it's walls. the mere mention of it or linking to something that actually is on topic is kind of overboard imo.

    sometimes moderation can seem to go a little too far. I get some things but others just seem totalitarian.
    I am an administrator on a bunch of art world forums. I totally get the thin lines. I have a similar type thing that I have to be totalitarian about because of death threats that had happened in the past. I know it seems overboard to the casual observer.. So I get there could be more to this than meets the eye. but....

    The communication is not good from the company to it's consumers and the feeling that things are silenced doesn't build good will. we've been saying for years and will continue to say that forthright communication would really help. (not from the mods but from the devs or whatever gods that may be. Every now and again it seems like there is a real effort for more communication adn we always appreciate that.. but then Silence again.

    And as far as taking problems with the mods too the mods.. actually I don't even think my problem was with a mod now that I think more about it. but a problem I was having with someone else. but that didn't go well for me personally. Granted mostly different team now but that was probably the most unpleasant experience I've experienced in quite some time. basically shut me down at the door without even listening. I can see why people look for outside sources. It's not something I'd want to repeat. It was actually humiliating.

    As far as discussing exploits I get why that's a rule but it would be nice to have some official word on things. Statements on the matter, after the fact if nothing else or during the fact making it clear that something IS an exploit and not a feature. There were talks of bans YEARS after people had been looking in the treasure chest and not taking the loot. WHO EVEN KNEW that wasn't how it was supposed to be ....


    This company operates on never talk about the elephant in the room and that isn't really healthy imo. It would be really nice to have some gradients in the rules.

    It's (it being everything or nothing or whatever is timely) out there. Closing the door on the official forums seems disingenuous and practically begs for people to go elsewhere to talk about things.

    In recent news, there were people playing a game. one without a lot of known rules or formats as it was a new game. a lot of these people they were just meeting random strangers in chat saying come party with us. it's all good do what we tell you. but then they woke up wiht their pockets empty and no kidneys and no way to talk to anyone to find out what had happened.

    get what I mean?

    There is a huge difference between saying this exists. go here do that press up up down down up and wow! and letting people know there are things they shouldn't do or there will be consequences of x x and x. Doing things on a friday and then leaving when no one is responding to anyone is gonna create a hamster storm..


    I know your job is hard and you don't get paid and you have years of angsty geeky verbal abuse ahead of you and I hope most of us don't blame the moderators. you're just doing what you're told for no fame or compensation. and I personally appreciate you keeping it civil. but it would be nice if we could work towards a little more understanding and openness in the forums. there would be a lot less backlash in other forums. Totalitarianism tends to breed rebellion. just saying is all. :)


  • chivonicachivonica Member Posts: 97 Arc User
    I blame the (for lack of better words) millennial mindset of entitlement, ignorance, lack of responsibility, respect and common sense amongst other triggering things which is spreading like a virus.

    Actions can have consequences! This is something most people learn as kids growing up....

    Rules are there for a reason, adhere to them or at least take it on the chin if you get caught breaking them. Take responsibility, ignorance is just an excuse; one which doesn't hold up in most situations.

    /end old peoples rant imitation
  • lantern22lantern22 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,085 Arc User
    At times, I've thought some of the moderation is a little over the top regarding stuff when has made these forums boring. But on reflection, there is probably a fine line between a bit of stirring and when it starts building up to be online bullying (even if unintended). It's not an easy job and I don't envy any of the moderators.

    I think we could have left the disagree button tho, removing that was imo a little over zealous. Surely we are allowed to disagree?

    Discussion of moderation - zero tolerance comes across a bit HAMSTER like to me, but probably an issue of where do you draw the line.

    Overall, I think the Mods do a good job.
  • minotaur2857minotaur2857 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,138 Arc User
    It just seems a bit random, I do the volunteer mod job on a set of boards for another (as yet unpublished) MMO. I think there we are slightly more proactive than here in the moderation style.

    I had a post removed here and just could not work out on what basis it had been done, it said flaming and there clearly wasn't any, I've seen MUCH MUCH worse left and we wouldn't even think about modding it on our boards. One short sentence could have been removed if it wasn't liked and the rest was fully constructive. It was on a balance issue that a lot of elite players don't want discussed, so I guess they all reported it.
  • thefiresidecatthefiresidecat Member Posts: 4,441 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    lantern22 said:

    At times, I've thought some of the moderation is a little over the top regarding stuff when has made these forums boring. But on reflection, there is probably a fine line between a bit of stirring and when it starts building up to be online bullying (even if unintended). It's not an easy job and I don't envy any of the moderators.

    I think we could have left the disagree button tho, removing that was imo a little over zealous. Surely we are allowed to disagree?

    Discussion of moderation - zero tolerance comes across a bit HAMSTER like to me, but probably an issue of where do you draw the line.

    Overall, I think the Mods do a good job.

    of course you're allowed to disagree. by coherently writing your argument out instead of using the lazy button. Taking away the disagree button was the opposite of over moderation. it's encouraging discussion



  • lantern22lantern22 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,085 Arc User

    lantern22 said:

    At times, I've thought some of the moderation is a little over the top regarding stuff when has made these forums boring. But on reflection, there is probably a fine line between a bit of stirring and when it starts building up to be online bullying (even if unintended). It's not an easy job and I don't envy any of the moderators.

    I think we could have left the disagree button tho, removing that was imo a little over zealous. Surely we are allowed to disagree?

    Discussion of moderation - zero tolerance comes across a bit HAMSTER like to me, but probably an issue of where do you draw the line.

    Overall, I think the Mods do a good job.

    of course you're allowed to disagree. by coherently writing your argument out instead of using the lazy button. Taking away the disagree button was the opposite of over moderation. it's encouraging discussion

    same could be said for the agree button

    maybe im just lazy (hence why no punctuation)
  • cilginordekcilginordek Member Posts: 459 Arc User
    I'm for disagree button. However, same can't be said for agree button in that case @lantern22 .
    If you agree with someone's points, making a post stating that doesn't bring anything new to the discussion, it just litters the thread and makes it harder to read. If you disagree with someone, there should be a reason, and that could be posted to encourage further discussion.

    Speaking of littering the thread, one of the things that bother me the most are huge blockquotes. I'm used to forums where such things are frowned upon. In my mind quotes should be used when referring to a specific point made in a post, and not the whole post. @frozenfirevr 's post above is a good example of that, and @vampinator10 's is the opposite.
  • richtayls#5929 richtayls Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    Personally I think you guys do a great job, I prefer to read informative chat than rants.

    I do agree wholeheartedly with comments about comms within the game though, not everyone comes here to read warnings about ToS violations. It would have been brilliant if the hunts lady (I would check her name, but maintenance...) could have sent an email in game saying she’s got her eye on people cheating her hunts and that there would be dire consequences to those cheating.

    And before anyone bemoans my use of the word cheating rather than exploiting, in the context of an NPC saying it they would call it cheating as they don’t know they are in a game with exploits.
  • concerned#3412 concerned Member Posts: 2 New User
    So moderators don't follow their own rules even on this forum?

    "Also, please keep in mind that at no time is it permissible to post about or discuss Game/Forum Infractions, Forum Moderation, Rules, Terms, EULA, or Legal Claims on our forums."

    This topic is just damage control trying to keep people in line. There are other places to discuss NeverwinterOnline in more open and non controlled ways and it appears to be freaking you out.
  • sanatorysanatory Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 21 Arc User
    I stopped posting due to mod's irrational "moderation". I've had more posts deleted/removed instead of getting feedback. The community is tough, I get that, but he mod's and admin's don´t replay to feedback appropriately. Feels more like censorship than moderation. Just my 2 cents from someone that has been here for a very long time. The most recent thing that made me give up on admins and mods on this forum was the fact that I had a forum avatar for over 3 years and some mod decided to give me a 2 point warning right off the bat because he found my avatar to be Obscene/Vulgar/Inappropriate Objectionable Material in his opinion... ridiculous!!! I confronted the mod, requested feedback and to this day I have not had a replay. All things considered and the way I have been treated, I refuse to post on a censored poorly regulated forum as this one.
  • caldochaud#4880 caldochaud Member Posts: 204 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    As a gamer, I have nothing against moderation insofar as it is nothing on the lines of Google, Facebook and Twitter where you can't say anything without getting sent to Google/Facebook/Twitter jail. Yes, I am tired of running into and putting up with Trolls, but its crazy-town over there! For example, you can go on Facebook but it now seemingly takes 24 hours before anybody whether they be friend or follower sees your post.

    I personally do not want a "safe space". After all, we're not all playing Mollycoddle Nights...



    And yes, I for one know that I have said things to chafe the bottoms of Neverwinter's Trolls, but if they choose start something... at the very least. please give the serious gamers of Neverwinter a fair chance to speak up and be heard...
    "Talent is a flame. Genius is a fire." - Sir Bernard Williams
  • sanatorysanatory Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 21 Arc User

    Personally I think you guys do a great job, I prefer to read informative chat than rants.



    I do agree wholeheartedly with comments about comms within the game though, not everyone comes here to read warnings about ToS violations. It would have been brilliant if the hunts lady (I would check her name, but maintenance...) could have sent an email in game saying she’s got her eye on people cheating her hunts and that there would be dire consequences to those cheating.



    And before anyone bemoans my use of the word cheating rather than exploiting, in the context of an NPC saying it they would call it cheating as they don’t know they are in a game with exploits.

    LOL comment from someone that joined 3 days ago xD get real buddy (smells like an admin or mod made an account just to provide positive feedback for a mods post)
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