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So I lucked out and pulled a Glorious Resurgence Legendary pack. Now I could sell it for about 6MM AD or sit on it and sell it later probably for more. But I don’t have a legendary mount and I’m not sure when this opportunity is going to present itself again. So I’ve got it narrowed to three, but I’m not sure what is best for the end game.
Black Ice Warhorse +4000 power plus a DoT of around 12k damage over 1.5 seconds. This is the best flat stat but that’s about it.
RuneClad Manticore +1000 Power & Defense for me and +500 Power and defense to my party plus a knock back & pin ability for 1.5 seconds. Best for power share but worst for soloing.
Tenser’s disk +4000 recovery plus a 12 second self buff +10% to power, move 10% faster, +2 Str Dex Con & AC. Best power and my 2nd stat priority.
As a not my build is currently ilvl 12300. 28510 power, 6314 crit, 2280 ArPen, 9159 Recovery, 11535 defense. Usually run a buff/debuff/healer ACDC for group content.
I think the manticore is best due to the party buff. Though as I get better gear the boost from Tensers will be better for me.
Any advice?
Black Ice Warhorse +4000 power plus a DoT of around 12k damage over 1.5 seconds. This is the best flat stat but that’s about it.
RuneClad Manticore +1000 Power & Defense for me and +500 Power and defense to my party plus a knock back & pin ability for 1.5 seconds. Best for power share but worst for soloing.
Tenser’s disk +4000 recovery plus a 12 second self buff +10% to power, move 10% faster, +2 Str Dex Con & AC. Best power and my 2nd stat priority.
As a not my build is currently ilvl 12300. 28510 power, 6314 crit, 2280 ArPen, 9159 Recovery, 11535 defense. Usually run a buff/debuff/healer ACDC for group content.
I think the manticore is best due to the party buff. Though as I get better gear the boost from Tensers will be better for me.
Any advice?
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However, when considering your base Power, I would sell the Legendary pack for a lot of Radiant 12s (for offensive slots)/a few Black Ice 12s (for defensive slots, used with Assassin's Covenant). The extra enchants and a +2k Power mount should give you a larger overall increase to base Power than simply getting the Blice Warhorse.
- Tenser's Disk doesn't add to your powershare, making it mostly irrelevant for you. The +4k Recovery is not worth it on an AC setup (need max base power). The cooldown on DO abilities is rather low to begin with and you usually have more than enough Recovery to keep HG off cooldown unless you're running a DPS DO build (and even then, most fights are so short that you're usually going to have HG up 100% of the time).
My personal suggestion would probably be to trade the Legendary pack for a War Painted Tyrannosaur for its debuff, as its debuff is quite good, and the +2000 Power/ArmPen is decent enough for an AC DCIf you can't trade for a Tyrannosaur Pack, you could get the Coastal Flail Snail (so you have dailies whenever you need them) or the Stalwart Golden Lion (if you think the other 4 people in your party have a death wish).
Also don't forget that mount speed is irrelevant in dungeons, Legendary mount speed may seem attractive but think about where your playing time is spent and you'll find the majority of it is spent on foot. Now if your into PVP that can be a very different discussion (you want to quickly get to caps) and would also impact which mount you want.
The Black Ice Warhorse is probably where I would go, although the Tyrannosaurus gives me pause.
and you could switch them around easily and adapt ..and also sell trade the purple insignia
and possibly upgrading / getting key missing companions and thier bonding gear
That's quite true and goes beyond NWO. Active investment and thinking ahead are the key!
The new system to refine enchantment makes it fairly easily to rank enchantments and ranking them up to 12 now has higher odds.
I don't know; it's hard to have too much AA. Maybe a heavy recovery build reaches a point where additional AP gain seems unnecessary, but a build that is either lower IL or more hybridized (i.e. not AC 100% of the time) won't be rocking that kind of base recovery.
For DO I can see the Armored Griffon being a nice bonus when another DC with Hastening Light isn't helping to reduce the cooldown on HG.
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I discussed with my fellow DCs, if recovery is viable for DO or AA. We decided, that the AC DC should stack power, as far as possible, to boost AA. With a DO DC, as far as it is possible to make a decision for MOD 3, we tend to see a dps build as most effective, that is, in a good group.
The said, the OP sold it and benefited from the sale. It was an OK move but how many enchantments did he or she buy? 700 power per a R12 would require the player to get at minimum 6 enchantments to get the same power as a 4K mount. That is if the player had zero enchantments equipped. With most players already have R8 to get the same 4K power that player would need 10 R12 enchantments to get a similar bonus as the 4K mount. Not sure about you but, 10 enchantments at 500-700K AD each is almost the selling price of a legendary mount. That is why I made the recommendation I did above, get the 4K power mount and than use R8 enchantments. The power sharing would have gone up.
As for the OP upgrading a companion; as a DC that only impacts your IL and not your ability to power share. If you are getting critical stats needed for you build from your companion that are not power you may have gotten some benefit.
The other thing, the Legendary mount would have provided the player a 350 IL boost as well, which is not as much as going from R8 to R12 on enchantment and getting a Legendary companion, but it is still provides an increase in IL.
For a DC looking to boost their effective in group and IL the Legendary mount IMO is superior to selling it.
How would it not remain BIS? Class changes, new BIS introduced, nerf to powershare, inserted diminishing return on power. There are many ways that the mount could become effectively worthless in the near future.
Legendary mounts are rare to get from a LB.
Enchantments are SUPER EASY to level up now. I leveled up a bunch from R8 to R12 without even trying and the cost to level the enchantment is much less than what the price of the enchantments are in the AH.
You also gain less power when swapping from a R7 or a R8 to a R12 enchantment than just taking the mount.
You lose out on mount combat power, the improved movement speed and the extra damage you take on your mount before you are knocked off your mount.
I personally would have taken the mount.
And yes you are right that the BiS build can change but since I started playing there has been and continue to be two true BiS for a DC and that is the Snail and the Power mounts and more recently the T-Rex for its debuff.
The OP would have benefited either way, selling or keeping the mount.
Tenser was once BIS because it had recovery and the combat power buffed power.
Lion still remains popular for PVP because it has a CC ability, buff, and protection.
Griffon still remains popular for artificer builds.
Strider for the spead freak builds out there (and yes I've seen them, they exist for even DC which doesn't take near as much advantage of it as a TR or GWF)
So yeah there is actually 7 generation of Legendary mounts you could have gone through by now depending on your builds (I have 4 of them).
Also you can't compare legendary mount to no mount, your really only comparing to an epic mount which are very affordable these days.
At the end of the day, Legendary Mounts should always be your last investment in PVE. Enchants will always have an advantage on mounts and companions because if i want to play another character I can move the enchants to that character and if I change my stat priority/configuration I can sell my enchants on the AH and retain 90% of their value (or even better trade them).
Yes the OP is very lucky, congrats to him on getting some RNG love (only time I've gotten a legendary mount it cost me 1100+ keys) and for making the smart investment with his fortunes.
Won't like though, legendary mounts are cool.
And yeah you are right, it would not be 4K if the OP has a 2K power mount, it would only be 2K and yes enchantments would be if the player had at least a the 2K power mount.
I just would go for the legendary as enchantments are super easy to rank now to 13. 14 get expensive but 13, are not all that bad, even getting to 11 or 12 is pretty easy.
I see the OP made his choice, and not a bad one. I think the extra 2000 stats you get from the legendary mount can't be replaced by anything other than another legendary mount, however. That and the combat power and extra speed, as well as IL boost, are things you only get with your *first* leg mount. They don't exist until you have one--even if it *could* be nerfed in the future, it will never be useless.
And most players I know are in a similar boat, even those running T9. When they do get an UES in T9 they sell it as they still need to improve their enchantments, etc...
That said, many of the players I run with have stated if they get a Legendary Box they would pick the mount they want as they know and understand the odds of winning the mount form the LB is really low.
The OP made out but one thing to remember, not only do BiS mounts change but also enchantments as well.
Soon you will probably see many DO swapping out their Azures for other enchantments once WoL is fixed.
Why would WoL not stacking influence DO's not to stack Azures. If anything it encourages stacking more crit not less. Most end game DCs are running Black Ice anyhow.
The players your running with are wrong. There is no blanket statement about what to do with a legendary box. If your at/near BIS, the mount may make sense, if your at low-mid level selling and reinvesting make sense. If your already BIS then selling to hoard AD for investment later makes sense.
If I did get a legendary mount it would probably go to my CW, even if I could upgrade his enchantments by selling it.
So for AC DC, black ice warhorse is still considered best?
Thanks for the help!
Took the Black Ice Warhorse for the +4000 power, i'd recommend this one for every powersharing AC DC. If you have the money left or the luck, take the Tenser's disk for the mount power, then with the mount bonus that gives you stats whenever you activate it, it rocks!
Powersharing counts for base power only, not for (temporary) buffs. So not for Tenser's disk buff.