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Trickster Rogue Class Rework

Hi,
I'm glad the SWs got some attention, but where is the TR rework? We've been promised to be the next class worked on for a full year plus, now. Can we please please get some (any) communication regarding this? If you are working on it, great, we'd like some confirmation. If you are not working on it, and it has been shelved until several mods down the road, let us know that, too.

The TOTAL lack of communication is unacceptable. Thank you in advance.

@nitocris83
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  • demonmongerdemonmonger Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,350 Arc User
    I personally ally enjoy playing my trickster rogue saboteur path. I would however love it if we had more damage bonuses while in stealth and possibly more base damage to our at wills and encounters.

    Mainly I would love it if gloaming strike would attack faster, as the animation is just to slow to work in many cases.

    My main focus is mobility/power/lifesteal
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  • gromovnipljesak#8234 gromovnipljesak Member Posts: 1,050 Arc User
    One at a time, boys. The devs have acknowledged in a stream that they know that TRs and SWs are underpowered. SWs are just to a much worse degree - props to the ones who manage to do stuff. TRs on the other hand need a rework, but on a much smaller scale. With TRs, Executioner and Saboteur work to some degree - and can dish out decent DPS. SWs can't do anything, really, to the point where my guildmate threw away the SW main (which was 17k-ish) in favor of a much lower geared CW.

    So yeah, just have patience. They're working hard on SWs, TRs' time will come. SW rework is scheduled for M13, if they do everything on time, TRs should be getting their buffs in M13b (or 13c if that becomes a thing) or M14, albeit M14 could possibly bring different changes related to level cap (or I hope so. that will be a massive change that would definitely make me happy if it's not Mod6 v.2)
  • jaime4312#3760 jaime4312 Member Posts: 844 Arc User
    edited November 2017
    @gromovnipljesak#8234

    Mod 13 isn't a SW rework, tweaks are welcome of course but it will still be the worst damage dealer, I believe endgame teams may adopt the "run templock or gtfo" attitude towards us SWs as the upcoming tweaks benefit templock more than furylock especially if you consider the 2 dc groups nerf mentioned by @asterdahl , I suspect the meta may change to GF/OP, DC, renegade MoF CW/templock, longstrider trapper HR and GWF (edit: my bad here, wrote about meta with random queues in mind, those classes could do it for that and for private queie groups would be conqueror GF, OP, DC, longstrider trapper HR/MoF rene CW/templock and GWF)

    Back on topic, both SW and TR indeed do need a rework and hopefully devs will take our feedback in mind to address the relevant issues the classes have otherwise it will change little if anything, as and example, for furylock, it will still be inferior to other damage dealers due to laughable passive powers (seriously, check/test them out and try not to laugh), too many debuffs (which get diminished to Oblivion), mediocre damage, long casting times/cooldowns and the capstone needs way too much time to deal full damage, as long as that isn't addressed SW will continue to be the worst class in the game.

    I have read threads about TR reworks and found them something devs should keep in mind to tweak your class, it is undeniable you guys have been flat out trolled with those "TR is next for balancing" statements and this situation shouldn't happen any longer.

    I don't think I'm the only one who believes devs should slow down with content creation and should focus on class reworks instead.

    @nitocris83

    The TR community deserves a quick dev response and at least for the time being, a few changes for mod 13 like SW, both classes will still need a rework in mod 13 - 13b though.
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  • sirjimbofrancissirjimbofrancis Member Posts: 348 Arc User
    @gromovnipljesak#8234

    We've been over this already. It's not that SWs are getting attention that we are upset about. It's that we've been misled over and over. It's the total lack of communication from "we are aware and are working on it" to "..." to "well we're gonna work on SWs now".

    So, if we got the smallest consideration, here, the devs would tell us, "yes, we hear you, but SWs were in a worse place" or something along those lines. And, nothing of what you said takes away from the fact that they were misleading us when they said we were next.

    I feel like a broken record. Communication is not bad. We are just really tired of getting the run around.

    And, please stop with the poor SWs line. I know y'all are in a bad place. But, it wasn't that long ago when you all weren't. We haven't been in that position since mod 5.
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  • gromovnipljesak#8234 gromovnipljesak Member Posts: 1,050 Arc User

    @gromovnipljesak#8234

    We've been over this already. It's not that SWs are getting attention that we are upset about. It's that we've been misled over and over. It's the total lack of communication from "we are aware and are working on it" to "..." to "well we're gonna work on SWs now".

    So, if we got the smallest consideration, here, the devs would tell us, "yes, we hear you, but SWs were in a worse place" or something along those lines. And, nothing of what you said takes away from the fact that they were misleading us when they said we were next.

    I feel like a broken record. Communication is not bad. We are just really tired of getting the run around.

    And, please stop with the poor SWs line. I know y'all are in a bad place. But, it wasn't that long ago when you all weren't. We haven't been in that position since mod 5.

    The thing is, I'd rather have them 1st clear up everything they have with SW and then move on TRs, because the other option just overloading the devs to the point where they just go "HAMSTER it" and make something that will have to get changed again sooner or later (something like the bonding changes we've had). They already have acknowledged the fact that TRs need a rework. They just can't open another thread like they have for SWs because then the devs would be overburdened.

    Also, TRs can still dish out pretty damn good DPS. SWs can't do HAMSTER. I say that as someone who play TR as 2nd main.
  • mafiadelperro#8853 mafiadelperro Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    I want to hear any news have been waiting a long time atlease some words lot of effor to make characters in this game feels bad man
  • It is ridiculous that we have not had any word on a TR rework after being told we are next on the list. I can't believe that any company would make a bold statement like that, then carry on nerfing, making changes to other class, and generally ignoring the concern of so many of their customers. I agree that the SW's need some love as well, but where is the love that we were promised MONTHS ago and have seen nothing of. This is a pathetic display of customer service and appreciation. At least inform your customers of your actual plans, rather than seemingly lying through your teeth just to appease people for a brief period of time. Don't keep going along and getting up people's hopes that we may see some changes that don't hurt us in PvE. We are clearly sick of being let down, and unhappy customers means less customers.
  • jaime4312#3760 jaime4312 Member Posts: 844 Arc User
    Skyforge became available for xbox 1 recently, I wouldn't be surprised at all if many fellow SWs and TRs switch to that game, heck, I reasearched about SW in that game actually and I found nothing but good comments about it, not the most powerful dps class there but still a very capable one, unlike the gimped version Neverwinter has. I'm gonna try that game in the next few days to see how it is, I will look how the TR version does there as well.

    @nitocris83

    Even if a short reply only, anything is better than this lack of communication from devs, there quite a few good TRs that have suggested good tweaks for the class but are yet to be given an answer.
  • trgluestickztrgluestickz Member Posts: 1,130 Arc User
    edited December 2017
    ctatumdev said:

    Other TR bugs:
    Shadowborn - This feat states that it is buffing our next attack, however any damage is calculated as the next attack including at will hits, Bleed ticks or Smoke Bomb ticks. Due to this it is wasted most of the time.

    You are correct, this feat is mostly wasted since it gets 'used' on any damage; also, since it's increases stats, it doesn't really fit in with our other stat increasing feats, since this is a one-hit buff.

    As such, this feat was discussed among our team and we've decided to rework Shadowborn:

    Whenever you enter stealth, your next encounter or daily power deals an additional 5/10/15/20/25% damage as physical damage.

    Two major reasons for this change is: First was to give y'all a clear, visible use of Shadowborn, so that this feat will no longer be wasted on DoT's or other unintended damages. The second reason for this change was so that this feat is more consistent with our other damage increasing feats. For us, having your stats rapidly flux for only one attack isn't a clean nor practical way to handle this feat.

    We know there may be some discussions and concerns over this, but please note that this isn't going to be the end-all, be-all of Shadowborn. As we had promised y'all, Trickster Rogues are the next class up for a class balance. As such, during our balancing time, Shadowborn will be reviewed a second time to make sure that this change was the correct move for the TRs. This current change will be reviewed by our team, and by y'all, and we will make any further necessary changes based on how the new function of Shadowborn works for everyone.
    The above quote was taken from a dev in the October bugfix thread. It does appear to be a confirmation that they still plan to rework the TR class first, this statement is better than nothing but whether or not they plan to abide by it is another story. It doesn't give us a specific date or much detail which at this point we should be asking for en masse. I see a lot of people here asking for far too little, we should be asking for a lot more than another "acknowledgement" at this point. I've heard all manner of "soon", "its on our radar", "we have read your words", and "TRs are next up" but the devs have been giving us these vague statements for well over a year now and a rework still hasn't happened. These statements would have been fine in the short term but its been far too long for them to be able to justify giving us so little information and continuing to put this off. We need a plan we can see, an official feedback thread, a date, and a real rework.

    The devs have tried to claim that the reason this TR rework is taking so long is that all NW planning is done on a long term scale but this can't account for or excuse this long of a wait. Something else is at work and the reasons for this statement clearly have more to do with procrastination. Its a political calculation meant to stall the community from blowing up again until we either forget or they are eventually forced by player outrage to do what we ask. They stay vague in an attempt to promise as little as possible because they are scared to commit to anything real. You can throw a stigmatized view of their player base, knowledge gaps, a lack of bravery, and a low staff count into the mix of things at play here as well.
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  • btairbornebtairborne Member Posts: 352 Arc User
    Any stealth fixes for TRs in the last mod patch like CW teleport?
  • sabre10sabre10 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 340 Arc User
    I'm fed up waiting and with the non-committal platitudes that have periodically been posted by the dev team. It offers the TR community nothing by way of reassurance.
    I'd like to see something solid by way of communication. As said above, even if this is planned for 1-2 modules time, so be it. Being left in limbo is not acceptable behaviour in my mind.
    No communication will just lead to further and further disenfranchisement by the community
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  • gromovnipljesak#8234 gromovnipljesak Member Posts: 1,050 Arc User
    edited December 2017
    Bah. Arguing with you people is pointless. Cheerios.
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  • ravenskyaravenskya Member Posts: 1,891 Arc User
    I love how once again they are silent
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  • sirjimbofrancissirjimbofrancis Member Posts: 348 Arc User
    It's been a few days since we started this thread, @nitocris83

    Are we any closer to communication?
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  • seffron#4586 seffron Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    I think it was spoken in the live streams, so they are aware with it. They even showed some pictures of how people asking TR buffs. One can only say, to be patient. I'm sure there will be updates when changes are ready to be released. Same time it takes time to fix the class, it must be balanced or we might end up next wave of nerf TR to the point of you broke it again...

    Over all I do agree it needs much more love right now.
  • sirjimbofrancissirjimbofrancis Member Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited December 2017
    @seffron#4586 we've been promised a rework for over a year, now.

    Those live streams were months ago. The whole point is we've been asking for an update and getting nothing.
    I think we've been pretty patient.
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  • almondumalmondum Member Posts: 308 Arc User
    I understand your frustration and agree with your request. Unfortunatly and without meaning to offend any part (devs or players), I don't believe we will get an answer.
    If nothing has been done, it's against any company's policy to say "nothing has been done/is being doing", if something has been done but it's too "crude" and very uncertain, nothing will be said either as it might be hard later to "keep the end of the bargain" for something uncertain.

    Good luck to you all,
    Have fun,

    Almondum.
  • sirjimbofrancissirjimbofrancis Member Posts: 348 Arc User
    @almondum I disagree.

    If they aren't working on it, they could say to us that they haven't forgotten about us, but are planning on addressing the TR class in a future mod as yet to be determined.

    If they are working on it, they can tell us they are working on it, but it is still being tested before they release the changes on preview.

    We aren't asking for details. Just the tiniest amount of communication and consideration for a class where the only communication we've gotten on the subject (in literally years) has been either incorrect or misleading.

    It doesn't have to be good news, just some news.
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  • almondumalmondum Member Posts: 308 Arc User
    edited December 2017
    @sirjimbofrancis

    You may disagree, but that won't change their policy or the policy of other companies. Noone will ever tell you in public or through public means that "nothing has been done". It will simply cost them their job. This is the reality.
    Have in mind, I'm not defending anyone here, just speaking how the things are mostly.

    edit: typos :/
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