Knee Breaker's DoT component can be stacked multiple times by the same GF. The maximum I have personally seen is 3.
The easiest way to do/reproduce this is to get your GF in a team with high recovery/recharge speed increases, and just spam KB whenever it comes off cooldown.
(*senses angry GFs brigade, hides behind shield*)
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frozenfirevrMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,475Community Moderator
@noworries#8859 There is only 1 major thing that sticks out in my mind and that is gmops and smops. Currently they are sold as individual items and a lot of the time, you want more than 1 of them. It would be great if we could buy up to 99 at a time.
How about lockboxes from wonderous bazaar. Currently they are bought individually and for someone that likes to purchase 1-2k for lockbox opening every time glorious are released buying them this way is quite tedious.
Another would be the items found in the crafting merchants for just guild marks. Several of the alchemy ingredients (such as Aqua something) are purchased in bulk... one at a time.
we need trails of the old dungeons i would like to think that most if not all of us would love to see harder( as in hopefully mechanic wise {tong is a great example of this} ) of the old dungeons like pirate king, karrundax, frozen heart, and others. i know lots have suggested this in the past for a very very long time. with this u could add things like higher enchantment rank drops say only rank8-9s and tradeable armor drops that are currently relevant even there own versions (nothing special just something new) i have always wanted armors with the stats re arranged on them ( instead of power crit def have lifesteal deflect and recovery for example). i always thought the flooding of a item would help with there cost and sense we are all aiming for rank 13-14 stuff atm so we can even do some of the end game stuff dropping more rank 9-10s would be a great way to do this and allow for new comers not to have to wait nearly a year just to be close to end game. adding the "Trail" versions of the old stuff can allow u to gives more thing to run but also u can allow for different item level versions of these ex: frozen heart 3 man (think level 45 no ilvl needed ) epic frozen heart ( lvl 70 and 11k+) and frozen heart trail (14k ilvl and lvl 70 mite have slight mechanics added like boss goes immune for few sec wile u have to kill his mobs that spawn ). epic and trail versions would have close to the same drops but for the trail u have way better chances of drops that would prevent u from having to come up with NEW things. you just have to change drop chances. having these work off of average item level would also keep from newer people having a chance at joining. these are just examples i didn't put to much thought into what they would or can drop i more worried with something more to do dungeon wise and miss my old stuff i know u kinda want to keep suggestions out of this tread but this is something i know lots have talked about over the last 3 years and would be very nice if it can have its chances to.
Nyanzaru Noble's clothes can't be found in game, nothing in Chult store and dealers
Noble clothes are available along with some other Fashion items in Tradebar Merchant Store, Adventure clothes are sold, once unlocked through the campaign, from the campaign store.
Fix the bug which makes the Paladin enter Guardian Fighter block animation before entering his own thus delaying the activation if Sanctuary altogether
Fixed. In reality, paladin does not have "his own" block animation, what was happening with this power was that the paladin was briefly entering the block animation (shared with guardian fighter) before reverting to their normal combat idle. Because their normal combat idle has their shield slightly raised, and blocking causes you to strafe instead of turn, it can feel a bit like a block animation is being played but this is not actually the case.
With the fix, the block animation with the shield raised properly like guardian fighter will now play. In addition, because this stance will be properly playing, when you are struck while blocking you'll play the proper blocking hit react animation.
As a bonus—most of these fixes will not be until after Module 12B for reasons outlined in the original post by @rgutscheradev. However! This issue is so frustrating and has been outstanding for so long that this fix will be coming in Module 12B.
Sorry to quote myself here—I don't think anyone has specifically touched on this issue—some of you long time Paladins and Guardian Fighters may have noticed a very occasional issue wherein you hit block and your shield raised but in fact you weren't getting the increased resistance (or any other effects, other than swapping out the guardian's at-wills) and weren't losing any of your block meter. This issue is a bit easier to notice for Paladins, as the visual effects of the ring don't draw in this case.
This could be solved by letting go and pressing block again, but of course—you might be killed in the meantime if this occurred during a tense moment in a boss fight, such as right before a tankbuster. I've been working closely with one of our programmers to debug this issue and together we rooted out the core cause and have a fix locally. So when you hit block, you should now be able to trust that you'll always start blocking.
Speaking of when you start blocking—some of you may have seen it in the Module 12B preview patch notes, but in addition to the original fixes posted in this thread and the issue I just outlined, we were also able to improve the responsiveness on both paladin's sanctuary and guardian's block. So, when you hit the button, you should get the damage resistance and any other effects even faster than before (roughly 45 milliseconds faster for those who care!) Unfortunately since the issue with block and sanctuary rarely not activating was a lower level code fix we'll be holding that one back until Module 13 (as with most of the bugfixes in this thread.)
Would you mind checking, while you are at it, GWF's stuck position when the left mouse button is pressed. Sometimes I just stand still and look at the boss although the button is pressed instead of attacking. I'm sure I'm not the only one with this problem. The only solution to do damage constantly is to keep pressing the button like there is no tomorrow.
EDIT: I know this is mostly a given for any GWF, but just to clarify, I have Sure Strike slotted on that button.
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thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
• •The following skills don’t procWeapon Enchantments: Lightning: Immolation Spirits Gates of Hell Infernal Spheres Wraith’s Shadow (both as Normal cast and Curse Consume cast) Pillar of Power (procs Lightning only once, despite being an Entity skill) Feytouched: Brood of Hadar Accursed Souls Immolation Spirits Gates of Hell
These should be fixed now.
A couple of notes: Immolation Spheres: will take some more time to figure out because of the nature of this power
Entity based abilities and weapon enchants: The past couple of weeks we have been discussing how weapon enchants should trigger and the intent is that the proc (for enchants that have procs) should fire once on activation of the ability. This means that "entity" based powers should proc initially and no more after that. If there is a case where something needs to work different it should be noted in the tooltip.
I am going to look into the rest of these next, but I wanted to let you all know that I was able to fix a chunk of these today.
@sgrantdev if you do this, the only class which will use these weapon enchantments is GWF and that is it. If you want to completely kill weapon enchant diversity, this sure is the way to do it, since it will be a case of, "if you are a gwf, you can use holy/lightning and if you are anything else, you can use fey, dread or vorp."
The fact of the matter is, there are only 2 situations where using these enchantments is good. The first is if you can proc it multiple times on a single ability and the second is if the ability coefficient of the base skill that constitutes most of your damage is low. GWF spams at wills for most of their damage and for no other class this is the case, so it means they will be the only class that can benefit from them.
As it currently stands as a CW, I will fully admit that the class relies entirely on procs for damage, which, tbh, kind of sucks. This change is pretty much just a nerf to the CW class and that is it, where a large portion of your damage comes from these entity type powers. If you don't like the fact that CW relies entirely on procs for damage, I can understand the reasoning, I don't either, but unless you intend to completely redesign the class so it can actually do damage without procs, this change isn't warranted.
• •The following skills don’t procWeapon Enchantments: Lightning: Immolation Spirits Gates of Hell Infernal Spheres Wraith’s Shadow (both as Normal cast and Curse Consume cast) Pillar of Power (procs Lightning only once, despite being an Entity skill) Feytouched: Brood of Hadar Accursed Souls Immolation Spirits Gates of Hell
These should be fixed now.
A couple of notes: Immolation Spheres: will take some more time to figure out because of the nature of this power
Entity based abilities and weapon enchants: The past couple of weeks we have been discussing how weapon enchants should trigger and the intent is that the proc (for enchants that have procs) should fire once on activation of the ability. This means that "entity" based powers should proc initially and no more after that. If there is a case where something needs to work different it should be noted in the tooltip.
I am going to look into the rest of these next, but I wanted to let you all know that I was able to fix a chunk of these today.
@sgrantdev if you do this, the only class which will use these weapon enchantments is GWF and that is it. If you want to completely kill weapon enchant diversity, this sure is the way to do it, since it will be a case of, "if you are a gwf, you can use holy/lightning and if you are anything else, you can use fey, dread or vorp."
The fact of the matter is, there are only 2 situations where using these enchantments is good. The first is if you can proc it multiple times on a single ability and the second is if the ability coefficient of the base skill that constitutes most of your damage is low. GWF spams at wills for most of their damage and for no other class this is the case, so it means they will be the only class that can benefit from them.
As it currently stands as a CW, I will fully admit that the class relies entirely on procs for damage, which, tbh, kind of sucks. This change is pretty much just a nerf to the CW class and that is it, where a large portion of your damage comes from these entity type powers. If you don't like the fact that CW relies entirely on procs for damage, I can understand the reasoning, I don't either, but unless you intend to completely redesign the class so it can actually do damage without procs, this change isn't warranted.
I don't know where this GWF hate comes from, lots of classes get the bulk of their damage from non-entity powers. And, TR's also derive a great deal of their damage from at-wills, such as Duelist's Flurry (I don't play a TR, I am just speculating here).
You are right that if enchants only procced once per entity-based power, it would seem to most severely impact CW. On the other hand, it seems to me that weapon enchants were never supposed to be this must-have necessity in order to do MAD DEEPZ. Even you must admit that it's a little bit ridiculous that melee strikers such as GWF's are expected to carry with them an AOE enchant like Lightning, AND a *healing* enchant such as Holy Avenger. I would not mind if weapon enchants were restored back to a place where they only gave a small additional damage bonus, not this huge added benefit. The progression pathway is already steep enough, let's not make it so that new and growing characters are expected to have multiple Transcendent (soon to be Unparalleled) enchants in order to be competitive.
Besides, we don't really have weapon enchant diversity now, despite the changes. Before the scaling changes, yes, everyone walked around with either Vorpal or Feytouched, or a debuff enchant like Plague Fire or Terror. Now, what do we have? Vorpal, Lightning, Holy, and Feytouched, or a debuff enchant like Plague Fire or Terror. Still, most of the others are ignored. I think this is because these enchants have too prominent of a role in damage output. If the enchants were nerfed so as to give only a small added benefit, then we would see more diversity of enchants, as it wouldn't matter so much if you had a Lightning or a Flaming or a Bilethorn enchant or what-have-you.
@sgrantdev Suggestion: Rescale weapon enchants such that, at max rank, the total damage from each one (including all secondary effects, such as DoT's) is comparable to each other, and comparable to an unscaled enchant such as Vorpal.
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
• •The following skills don’t procWeapon Enchantments: Lightning: Immolation Spirits Gates of Hell Infernal Spheres Wraith’s Shadow (both as Normal cast and Curse Consume cast) Pillar of Power (procs Lightning only once, despite being an Entity skill) Feytouched: Brood of Hadar Accursed Souls Immolation Spirits Gates of Hell
These should be fixed now.
A couple of notes: Immolation Spheres: will take some more time to figure out because of the nature of this power
Entity based abilities and weapon enchants: The past couple of weeks we have been discussing how weapon enchants should trigger and the intent is that the proc (for enchants that have procs) should fire once on activation of the ability. This means that "entity" based powers should proc initially and no more after that. If there is a case where something needs to work different it should be noted in the tooltip.
I am going to look into the rest of these next, but I wanted to let you all know that I was able to fix a chunk of these today.
• •The following skills don’t procWeapon Enchantments: Lightning: Immolation Spirits Gates of Hell Infernal Spheres Wraith’s Shadow (both as Normal cast and Curse Consume cast) Pillar of Power (procs Lightning only once, despite being an Entity skill) Feytouched: Brood of Hadar Accursed Souls Immolation Spirits Gates of Hell
These should be fixed now.
A couple of notes: Immolation Spheres: will take some more time to figure out because of the nature of this power
Entity based abilities and weapon enchants: The past couple of weeks we have been discussing how weapon enchants should trigger and the intent is that the proc (for enchants that have procs) should fire once on activation of the ability. This means that "entity" based powers should proc initially and no more after that. If there is a case where something needs to work different it should be noted in the tooltip.
I am going to look into the rest of these next, but I wanted to let you all know that I was able to fix a chunk of these today.
@sgrantdev if you do this, the only class which will use these weapon enchantments is GWF and that is it. If you want to completely kill weapon enchant diversity, this sure is the way to do it, since it will be a case of, "if you are a gwf, you can use holy/lightning and if you are anything else, you can use fey, dread or vorp."
The fact of the matter is, there are only 2 situations where using these enchantments is good. The first is if you can proc it multiple times on a single ability and the second is if the ability coefficient of the base skill that constitutes most of your damage is low. GWF spams at wills for most of their damage and for no other class this is the case, so it means they will be the only class that can benefit from them.
As it currently stands as a CW, I will fully admit that the class relies entirely on procs for damage, which, tbh, kind of sucks. This change is pretty much just a nerf to the CW class and that is it, where a large portion of your damage comes from these entity type powers. If you don't like the fact that CW relies entirely on procs for damage, I can understand the reasoning, I don't either, but unless you intend to completely redesign the class so it can actually do damage without procs, this change isn't warranted.
Now is late you should give that feedback when you did repeatable report about the many weapon enchantments procs on cw. IF they delay to rework the class those changes should not happen.
Knee Breaker's DoT component can be stacked multiple times by the same GF. The maximum I have personally seen is 3.
The easiest way to do/reproduce this is to get your GF in a team with high recovery/recharge speed increases, and just spam KB whenever it comes off cooldown.
(*senses angry GFs brigade, hides behind shield*)
If its a bug, fix it. Let's be fair and post bugs of disadvantage and advantage.
checkmatein3Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 525Arc User
Two suggestions that are not necessarily bugs, but do not make sense:
1. Death Slaad's active bonus. The Death Slaad's active bonus at Rare (blue) level is preferred over the Death Slaad's active bonus at Epic or Legendary level because of the stacking and exploding in the DoT. At blue level, when you stack the poison, it will keep ticking continuously with no end, as long as you keep stacking. But at epic and legendary companion, the 5 stacks will explode in the DoT, and then the player has to restack the 5 poison stacks all over again. The damage done by the DoT is significantly less than the damage done by the ticking poison.
2. Group Stat Bonus and Random Queues. Given the introduction of Random Queues next mod, the effort to boost parties that might not have similar guild boon bonuses will drop. Those guilds that chose Explorer and run the Group Stat option will find themselves penalized for that boon selection with the new RQ system. If they group with members of their guild to run dungeons, they get penalized on not getting the daily AD bonus. If they go in the RQ system for the daily AD, they are penalized as a player or guild, in having to select a different boon, or making the utility of the group stat boon much less. Consider changing the conditions of the boon (maybe mod 13).
@mamalion1234 my reports were concerning abilities which were not entities, which were proccing abilities more times then they deal damage. They were not concerning abilities which are entities, since in the weapon enchant rework thread the devs specifically said that entities were supposed to proc weapon enchantments on every hit. In you know, this post:
Another piece of info to add (sorry, this is getting into technical details of how the powers are built, but at this point that's unavoidable).
When I say "no more multiproccing", that's not exactly right. Powers are built different ways. DoTs, for example, have a "tick rate". There's one power, it goes on the target, and it "ticks" every so often (2x per second, say). What I changed was to say "you only get to proc your WE on the first tick".
But other powers are built differently. For example, powers that put a patch of damage on the ground create an (invisible) entity that sits there and "attacks" nearby foes every so often. Each attack of that entity is its own attack, and can (potentially) have its own proc. (Even powers that "look like" you're "really attacking" are often built this way, such as the Hunter/Ranger power Rain of Arrows.)
So, for example, Icy Terrain "attacks" multiple times during its duration, and it (still) gets multiple WE procs.
So not everything has stopped proc'ing. I encourage people to try things out when the changes hit and see what they think.
But yes, as Becky says, we don't want to create another Lostmauth or Owlbear cub issue. As far as possible, I want to build things right mechanically, and adjust the numbers up or down as needed. Trying to improve the damage by allowing weird/buggy things (like the 60 procs on Imprisonment) will only be bad in the long run.
(Side note on Imprisonment: the reason it is "ticking" is because it's a toggle power. It actually puts a very short stun (.4 sec) on the target every quarter second, so that when you toggle it off it's responsive -- at worst a .4 second delay. That's where the 60 is coming from: 15/0.25.)
As damoc says, it's a bit of a mess. Cleaning it up top to bottom would involve rewriting more of the combat engine than would be smart (rewrite too much, and at some point you just break everything), but hopefully we can clean things up within the existing engine as we go. What's happening with the WEs is part of that struggle. There are other parts going on as well (many of you are aware of the various "X doesn't proc Y when it clearly should" bugs we have -- another designer is working on one of those bugs right now as I type this). But big picture, proccing (and especially *how often* one should proc) is something many MMOs have problems with, and I can't say that Neverwinter has figured out the perfect solution. But I want to keep making it better.
I don't know where this GWF hate comes from, lots of classes get the bulk of their damage from non-entity powers. And, TR's also derive a great deal of their damage from at-wills, such as Duelist's Flurry (I don't play a TR, I am just speculating here).
You are right that if enchants only procced once per entity-based power, it would seem to most severely impact CW. On the other hand, it seems to me that weapon enchants were never supposed to be this must-have necessity in order to do MAD DEEPZ. Even you must admit that it's a little bit ridiculous that melee strikers such as GWF's are expected to carry with them an AOE enchant like Lightning, AND a *healing* enchant such as Holy Avenger. I would not mind if weapon enchants were restored back to a place where they only gave a small additional damage bonus, not this huge added benefit. The progression pathway is already steep enough, let's not make it so that new and growing characters are expected to have multiple Transcendent (soon to be Unparalleled) enchants in order to be competitive.
Besides, we don't really have weapon enchant diversity now, despite the changes. Before the scaling changes, yes, everyone walked around with either Vorpal or Feytouched, or a debuff enchant like Plague Fire or Terror. Now, what do we have? Vorpal, Lightning, Holy, and Feytouched, or a debuff enchant like Plague Fire or Terror. Still, most of the others are ignored. I think this is because these enchants have too prominent of a role in damage output. If the enchants were nerfed so as to give only a small added benefit, then we would see more diversity of enchants, as it wouldn't matter so much if you had a Lightning or a Flaming or a Bilethorn enchant or what-have-you.
@sgrantdev Suggestion: Rescale weapon enchants such that, at max rank, the total damage from each one (including all secondary effects, such as DoT's) is comparable to each other, and comparable to an unscaled enchant such as Vorpal.
@chemjeff There was no GWF hate, I was stating a fact. GWF get most of their damage from At wills, which have a low ability coefficient (0.945 in the case of WMS and 0.5495 for Sure Strike if you average it). If you compare this coefficient to the coefficient of say disintegrate (which is 3), you will see the coefficient is much lower. What this means is that relative to other abilities, at wills scale better with the %damage weapon enchantments then encounters and daily powers do. Guess which class is mainly at wills? GWF. Guess which class is the only class that can take advantage of them if entity powers no longer multiproc them? GWF. It is as simple as that. You brought up trs but you forget that duelist's flurry bleed does not proc weapon enchantments and is a large portion of their dps, which of course means that %damage weapon enchantments are bad for them as well.
• •The following skills don’t procWeapon Enchantments: Lightning: Immolation Spirits Gates of Hell Infernal Spheres Wraith’s Shadow (both as Normal cast and Curse Consume cast) Pillar of Power (procs Lightning only once, despite being an Entity skill) Feytouched: Brood of Hadar Accursed Souls Immolation Spirits Gates of Hell
These should be fixed now.
A couple of notes: Immolation Spheres: will take some more time to figure out because of the nature of this power
Entity based abilities and weapon enchants: The past couple of weeks we have been discussing how weapon enchants should trigger and the intent is that the proc (for enchants that have procs) should fire once on activation of the ability. This means that "entity" based powers should proc initially and no more after that. If there is a case where something needs to work different it should be noted in the tooltip.
I am going to look into the rest of these next, but I wanted to let you all know that I was able to fix a chunk of these today.
So that change is only for weapon enchantments not for example : aura of courage infatile compensation come in my mind. I am saying that to not feel again in future i abuse a "bug" of the game:) (sarcasm)
question again if enchants are not supposed to proc from those " entities " why then those entities their damage increases from enchantments like vorpal,feytouched? SO you are saying i cant proc more than once an enchantment with opressive force but if i use vorpal each hit from opressive force will get boost on critical hit? IS that logic?
• •The following skills don’t procWeapon Enchantments: Lightning: Immolation Spirits Gates of Hell Infernal Spheres Wraith’s Shadow (both as Normal cast and Curse Consume cast) Pillar of Power (procs Lightning only once, despite being an Entity skill) Feytouched: Brood of Hadar Accursed Souls Immolation Spirits Gates of Hell
These should be fixed now.
A couple of notes: Immolation Spheres: will take some more time to figure out because of the nature of this power
Entity based abilities and weapon enchants: The past couple of weeks we have been discussing how weapon enchants should trigger and the intent is that the proc (for enchants that have procs) should fire once on activation of the ability. This means that "entity" based powers should proc initially and no more after that. If there is a case where something needs to work different it should be noted in the tooltip.
I am going to look into the rest of these next, but I wanted to let you all know that I was able to fix a chunk of these today.
So that change is only for weapon enchantments not for example : aura of courage infatile compensation come in my mind. I am saying that to not feel again in future i abuse a "bug" of the game:) (sarcasm)
There are case by case rules for everything, you don't just report everything under the same set of rules. The devs specifically stated that the owlbear cub should not be multiprocced by that stuff, so guess what, it should not be multiprocced by that stuff. They also clearly stated that weapon enchants should be procced by that stuff, after it was questioned, which means guess what, it was supposed to be procced by that stuff. If you want to be a complete moron and report everything under the same set of rules, why don't you report that aura of courage, storm spell, assailing force, creeping frost, warped magics, abyss of chaos, critical conflagration and many other things can be procced by every tick of CW entities, since it seems you like blanket applying 1 set of rules to every mechanic in the game.
Guess which class is the only class that can take advantage of them if entity powers no longer multiproc them? GWF.
Along with all of the other classes that do not mainly rely on entity powers for their damage.
Perhaps GWFs benefit *more* from scaling enchants than other classes, but I think that is a far cry from claiming that GWFs would be the *only ones* to use them if entity powers no longer multiprocced scaling weapon enchants, as you initially claimed.
Besides, if the devs listen to my suggestion, all of the weapon enchants would be comparable in terms of their damage output, with perhaps only a slight edge to a few of them.
You brought up trs but you forget that duelist's flurry bleed does not proc weapon enchantments and is a large portion of their dps, which of course means that %damage weapon enchantments are bad for them as well.
I did not realize Duelist's Flurry did not proc weapon enchants, my apologies. Perhaps they should.
@sgrantdev Suggestion: Duelist's Flurry should proc weapon enchants.
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thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
Guess which class is the only class that can take advantage of them if entity powers no longer multiproc them? GWF.
Along with all of the other classes that do not mainly rely on entity powers for their damage.
Perhaps GWFs benefit *more* from scaling enchants than other classes, but I think that is a far cry from claiming that GWFs would be the *only ones* to use them if entity powers no longer multiprocced scaling weapon enchants, as you initially claimed.
Besides, if the devs listen to my suggestion, all of the weapon enchants would be comparable in terms of their damage output, with perhaps only a slight edge to a few of them.
You brought up trs but you forget that duelist's flurry bleed does not proc weapon enchantments and is a large portion of their dps, which of course means that %damage weapon enchantments are bad for them as well.
I did not realize Duelist's Flurry did not proc weapon enchants, my apologies. Perhaps they should.
@sgrantdev Suggestion: Duelist's Flurry should proc weapon enchants.
They would be, because maths exists and we can show that %weapon enchants suck in every other circumstance unless you either multiproc on entities or spam at wills.
This is objectively just a nerf to every class that isn't a gwf.
Guess which class is the only class that can take advantage of them if entity powers no longer multiproc them? GWF.
Perhaps GWFs benefit *more* from scaling enchants than other classes, but I think that is a far cry from claiming that GWFs would be the *only ones* to use them if entity powers no longer multiprocced scaling weapon enchants, as you initially claimed.
Contrary to popular belief, currently only CW and GWF can truly benefit from the weapon damage proc based weapon enchantment system. All other classes currently cannot synergize with them enough to use them. Even if all of the weapon enchantment bugs were removed for HR, DC, SW, OP, GF, and TR, the benefits of the weapon damage proc based enchantments would still fall very short of Vorpal/Dread/Feytouched because their base damage is too high in contrast to the base damage of the weapon enchantments.
The only reason CW can use them right now, is because they proc so many times on their powers. If this interaction is removed, it will make GWF the only class able to use them effectively, with the minor exception of Lightning in AoE situations, since it does do a large amount of damage in AoE for most classes.
You brought up trs but you forget that duelist's flurry bleed does not proc weapon enchantments and is a large portion of their dps, which of course means that %damage weapon enchantments are bad for them as well.
I did not realize Duelist's Flurry did not proc weapon enchants, my apologies. Perhaps they should.
@sgrantdev Suggestion: Duelist's Flurry should proc weapon enchants.
Duelist's Flurry does proc weapon enchantments, but that's not what he said. He said the bleed (damage over time) doesn't proc weapon enchantments. Even though Duelist's Flurry may not deal very high base damage, the bleed it causes does, which gains no benefit from proc based weapon enchantments. It does gain benefit from the Feytouched buff, and Vorpal, which puts proc based weapon enchantments at a disadvantage from the start.
I am a bit surprised that the devs are not willing to fix/change Storm Spell offhand bonus (which is a minor DPS difference), but are willing to remove a core mechanic from CW (that could potentially remove a 1/3rd of all CW damage). I have asked for consistency when it comes to weapon enchantments for awhile now, but it would shock me greatly if this change were made to CW without compensation (increase to base damages, added multipliers, or something). Especially if the change was made to disable all procs including Aura of Courage and Storm Spell.
Signature [WIP] - tyvm John
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
• •The following skills don’t procWeapon Enchantments: Lightning: Immolation Spirits Gates of Hell Infernal Spheres Wraith’s Shadow (both as Normal cast and Curse Consume cast) Pillar of Power (procs Lightning only once, despite being an Entity skill) Feytouched: Brood of Hadar Accursed Souls Immolation Spirits Gates of Hell
These should be fixed now.
A couple of notes: Immolation Spheres: will take some more time to figure out because of the nature of this power
Entity based abilities and weapon enchants: The past couple of weeks we have been discussing how weapon enchants should trigger and the intent is that the proc (for enchants that have procs) should fire once on activation of the ability. This means that "entity" based powers should proc initially and no more after that. If there is a case where something needs to work different it should be noted in the tooltip.
I am going to look into the rest of these next, but I wanted to let you all know that I was able to fix a chunk of these today.
So that change is only for weapon enchantments not for example : aura of courage infatile compensation come in my mind. I am saying that to not feel again in future i abuse a "bug" of the game:) (sarcasm)
There are case by case rules for everything, you don't just report everything under the same set of rules. The devs specifically stated that the owlbear cub should not be multiprocced by that stuff, so guess what, it should not be multiprocced by that stuff. They also clearly stated that weapon enchants should be procced by that stuff, after it was questioned, which means guess what, it was supposed to be procced by that stuff. If you want to be a complete moron and report everything under the same set of rules, why don't you report that aura of courage, storm spell, assailing force, creeping frost, warped magics, abyss of chaos, critical conflagration and many other things can be procced by every tick of CW entities, since it seems you like blanket applying 1 set of rules to every mechanic in the game.
I Said about aura of courage and infatile compensation only maybe they count as " entities". Wasnt a report a question was.
Guess which class is the only class that can take advantage of them if entity powers no longer multiproc them? GWF.
Along with all of the other classes that do not mainly rely on entity powers for their damage.
Perhaps GWFs benefit *more* from scaling enchants than other classes, but I think that is a far cry from claiming that GWFs would be the *only ones* to use them if entity powers no longer multiprocced scaling weapon enchants, as you initially claimed.
Besides, if the devs listen to my suggestion, all of the weapon enchants would be comparable in terms of their damage output, with perhaps only a slight edge to a few of them.
You brought up trs but you forget that duelist's flurry bleed does not proc weapon enchantments and is a large portion of their dps, which of course means that %damage weapon enchantments are bad for them as well.
I did not realize Duelist's Flurry did not proc weapon enchants, my apologies. Perhaps they should.
@sgrantdev Suggestion: Duelist's Flurry should proc weapon enchants.
They would be, because maths exists and we can show that %weapon enchants suck in every other circumstance unless you either multiproc on entities or spam at wills.
This is objectively just a nerf to every class that isn't a gwf.
please stop saying "or spams at wills" as much as this is generally true, there are two HR builds that "spam at wills" that do not benefit from proc based weapon enchantments. This is because the base damage on their at wills is extremely high compared to other at wills. This has always been based on base damage, not on at will vs. encounter vs. daily. At wills just tend to have lower base damages. I know you already know this, but I would like to clarify it before the next comment states that Archery HR spams at wills, so they should therefore be good with weapon enchantments.
This is objectively just a nerf to every class that isn't a gwf.
My DC is 100% unaffected by this change But no, you are right, it's mainly a nerf to CW, and prevents the buff from ever happening on the fixed Smoke Bomb and Pillar of Power.
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Guess which class is the only class that can take advantage of them if entity powers no longer multiproc them? GWF.
Along with all of the other classes that do not mainly rely on entity powers for their damage.
Perhaps GWFs benefit *more* from scaling enchants than other classes, but I think that is a far cry from claiming that GWFs would be the *only ones* to use them if entity powers no longer multiprocced scaling weapon enchants, as you initially claimed.
Besides, if the devs listen to my suggestion, all of the weapon enchants would be comparable in terms of their damage output, with perhaps only a slight edge to a few of them.
You brought up trs but you forget that duelist's flurry bleed does not proc weapon enchantments and is a large portion of their dps, which of course means that %damage weapon enchantments are bad for them as well.
I did not realize Duelist's Flurry did not proc weapon enchants, my apologies. Perhaps they should.
@sgrantdev Suggestion: Duelist's Flurry should proc weapon enchants.
They would be, because maths exists and we can show that %weapon enchants suck in every other circumstance unless you either multiproc on entities or spam at wills.
This is objectively just a nerf to every class that isn't a gwf.
please stop saying "or spams at wills" as much as this is generally true, there are two HR builds that "spam at wills" that do not benefit from proc based weapon enchantments. This is because the base damage on their at wills is extremely high compared to other at wills. This has always been based on base damage, not on at will vs. encounter vs. daily. At wills just tend to have lower base damages. I know you already know this, but I would like to clarify it before the next comment states that Archery HR spams at wills, so they should therefore be good with weapon enchantments.
This is objectively just a nerf to every class that isn't a gwf.
My DC is 100% unaffected by this change But no, you are right, it's mainly a nerf to CW, and prevents the buff from ever happening on the fixed Smoke Bomb and Pillar of Power.
@darthtzarr Archery HRs do not exist so we can ignore them.
Guess which class is the only class that can take advantage of them if entity powers no longer multiproc them? GWF.
Along with all of the other classes that do not mainly rely on entity powers for their damage.
Perhaps GWFs benefit *more* from scaling enchants than other classes, but I think that is a far cry from claiming that GWFs would be the *only ones* to use them if entity powers no longer multiprocced scaling weapon enchants, as you initially claimed.
Besides, if the devs listen to my suggestion, all of the weapon enchants would be comparable in terms of their damage output, with perhaps only a slight edge to a few of them.
You brought up trs but you forget that duelist's flurry bleed does not proc weapon enchantments and is a large portion of their dps, which of course means that %damage weapon enchantments are bad for them as well.
I did not realize Duelist's Flurry did not proc weapon enchants, my apologies. Perhaps they should.
@sgrantdev Suggestion: Duelist's Flurry should proc weapon enchants.
They would be, because maths exists and we can show that %weapon enchants suck in every other circumstance unless you either multiproc on entities or spam at wills.
This is objectively just a nerf to every class that isn't a gwf.
please stop saying "or spams at wills" as much as this is generally true, there are two HR builds that "spam at wills" that do not benefit from proc based weapon enchantments. This is because the base damage on their at wills is extremely high compared to other at wills. This has always been based on base damage, not on at will vs. encounter vs. daily. At wills just tend to have lower base damages. I know you already know this, but I would like to clarify it before the next comment states that Archery HR spams at wills, so they should therefore be good with weapon enchantments.
This is objectively just a nerf to every class that isn't a gwf.
My DC is 100% unaffected by this change But no, you are right, it's mainly a nerf to CW, and prevents the buff from ever happening on the fixed Smoke Bomb and Pillar of Power.
@darthtzarr Archery HRs do not exist so we can ignore them.
Combat also spams at wills, but cannot benefit from proc based weapon enchantments properly. If they don't exist, I play with a lot of imaginary friends... oh wait.
Seems people aren't understanding WHY the redesigned weapon enchants are useable on some characters, and not even an option for others (It's looking like even the devs don't understand...)
The old weapon enchants, vorpal, dread, and feytouch, boost every one of your skills by the same percentage. No matter if that skill is a tiny at will or a giant massive daily. They are all getting boosted by the same percent. So let's say you're using a Vorpal and it's boosting your damage by 20%. A small at will of 1000 damage will have a gain of 200 damage, and a massive daily hitting for 10,000 damage will have a gain of 2,000 damage.
Now you take these redesigned enchants like lightning, terror, etc, they no longer boost your skills damage by a set percentage, but are adding an additional hit. That means smaller, faster strikes will yield better results. The devs attempted to address this issue by adding a ~1.6 multiplier for the enchant on slower skills. So let's take that 1000 damage at will and the 10,000 daily again and use a terror as the enchant. Let's say the terror is doing 200 damage (made up number but makes the comparison easy). Your at-will will deal 1000+200 damage, a gain of 20% damage. but the daily is only going to deal 10000+(200*1.6) for a gain of only 3.2% damage!!
So without skills capable of multi-procing the redesigned enchants....only classes that rely on small individual hits with little/no DoT components (another aspect that only old enchants boost) will be able to use them. Right now, that means ONLY the gwf and gf (on trash portions of the dungeon using WMS spam) can use them
• •The following skills don’t procWeapon Enchantments: Lightning: Immolation Spirits Gates of Hell Infernal Spheres Wraith’s Shadow (both as Normal cast and Curse Consume cast) Pillar of Power (procs Lightning only once, despite being an Entity skill) Feytouched: Brood of Hadar Accursed Souls Immolation Spirits Gates of Hell
These should be fixed now.
A couple of notes: Immolation Spheres: will take some more time to figure out because of the nature of this power
Entity based abilities and weapon enchants: The past couple of weeks we have been discussing how weapon enchants should trigger and the intent is that the proc (for enchants that have procs) should fire once on activation of the ability. This means that "entity" based powers should proc initially and no more after that. If there is a case where something needs to work different it should be noted in the tooltip.
I am going to look into the rest of these next, but I wanted to let you all know that I was able to fix a chunk of these today.
@sgrantdev if you do this, the only class which will use these weapon enchantments is GWF and that is it. If you want to completely kill weapon enchant diversity, this sure is the way to do it, since it will be a case of, "if you are a gwf, you can use holy/lightning and if you are anything else, you can use fey, dread or vorp."
The fact of the matter is, there are only 2 situations where using these enchantments is good. The first is if you can proc it multiple times on a single ability and the second is if the ability coefficient of the base skill that constitutes most of your damage is low. GWF spams at wills for most of their damage and for no other class this is the case, so it means they will be the only class that can benefit from them.
As it currently stands as a CW, I will fully admit that the class relies entirely on procs for damage, which, tbh, kind of sucks. This change is pretty much just a nerf to the CW class and that is it, where a large portion of your damage comes from these entity type powers. If you don't like the fact that CW relies entirely on procs for damage, I can understand the reasoning, I don't either, but unless you intend to completely redesign the class so it can actually do damage without procs, this change isn't warranted.
I don't know where this GWF hate comes from, lots of classes get the bulk of their damage from non-entity powers. And, TR's also derive a great deal of their damage from at-wills, such as Duelist's Flurry (I don't play a TR, I am just speculating here).
You are right that if enchants only procced once per entity-based power, it would seem to most severely impact CW. On the other hand, it seems to me that weapon enchants were never supposed to be this must-have necessity in order to do MAD DEEPZ. Even you must admit that it's a little bit ridiculous that melee strikers such as GWF's are expected to carry with them an AOE enchant like Lightning, AND a *healing* enchant such as Holy Avenger. I would not mind if weapon enchants were restored back to a place where they only gave a small additional damage bonus, not this huge added benefit. The progression pathway is already steep enough, let's not make it so that new and growing characters are expected to have multiple Transcendent (soon to be Unparalleled) enchants in order to be competitive.
Besides, we don't really have weapon enchant diversity now, despite the changes. Before the scaling changes, yes, everyone walked around with either Vorpal or Feytouched, or a debuff enchant like Plague Fire or Terror. Now, what do we have? Vorpal, Lightning, Holy, and Feytouched, or a debuff enchant like Plague Fire or Terror. Still, most of the others are ignored. I think this is because these enchants have too prominent of a role in damage output. If the enchants were nerfed so as to give only a small added benefit, then we would see more diversity of enchants, as it wouldn't matter so much if you had a Lightning or a Flaming or a Bilethorn enchant or what-have-you.
@sgrantdev Suggestion: Rescale weapon enchants such that, at max rank, the total damage from each one (including all secondary effects, such as DoT's) is comparable to each other, and comparable to an unscaled enchant such as Vorpal.
To me this raises the question of what is the primary purpose of the CW? Dungeon enemies have so many HP that everyone is always asking for "HDPS"...for CWs, does the change mean a migration of their role back from DPS to CC? This itself begs the question: what is to be their role in boss fights, where bosses are always immune to CC? While it's possible to build a control CW where control bonus tops 104%, damage output suffers severely and certain powers begin to malfunction (see vid). In times past boss fights invariably involved lots of adds, but with the changes to mechanic-based fights against CC immune enemies its unclear where the CW will fit in, especially if the way enchants proc is changed.
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Contrary to popular belief, currently only CW and GWF can truly benefit from the weapon damage proc based weapon enchantment system. All other classes currently cannot synergize with them enough to use them. Even if all of the weapon enchantment bugs were removed for HR, DC, SW, OP, GF, and TR, the benefits of the weapon damage proc based enchantments would still fall very short of Vorpal/Dread/Feytouched because their base damage is too high in contrast to the base damage of the weapon enchantments.
Well if this is the case, then this sounds like a problem with the weapon enchant scaling, not with whether or not they multiproc on entity powers. If they still suck for all other classes besides GWF and CW, then they weren't scaled right.
So if the devs ( @sgrantdev ) are really going to do this bugfix thing, then let's have the weapon enchants proc consistently - multiproc on entity powers or not, multiproc on bleed/DoT damage or not, I personally don't care, just as long as it's consistent - and scale them appropriately so that they are viable for all classes.
And, I personally would suggest that the scaling ones provide only a very small additional benefit as compared to the unscaled ones like Vorpal, so as to lessen the burden of gearing up for newer characters to some degree, and to make it clear that having a shiny weapon scaling enchant is really something only for when a character reaches the end of progression, not a must-have requirement for doing ordinary content.
Contrary to popular belief, currently only CW and GWF can truly benefit from the weapon damage proc based weapon enchantment system. All other classes currently cannot synergize with them enough to use them. Even if all of the weapon enchantment bugs were removed for HR, DC, SW, OP, GF, and TR, the benefits of the weapon damage proc based enchantments would still fall very short of Vorpal/Dread/Feytouched because their base damage is too high in contrast to the base damage of the weapon enchantments.
Well if this is the case, then this sounds like a problem with the weapon enchant scaling, not with whether or not they multiproc on entity powers. If they still suck for all other classes besides GWF and CW, then they weren't scaled right.
So if the devs ( @sgrantdev ) are really going to do this bugfix thing, then let's have the weapon enchants proc consistently - multiproc on entity powers or not, multiproc on bleed/DoT damage or not, I personally don't care, just as long as it's consistent - and scale them appropriately so that they are viable for all classes.
"Not scaling properly" well... that's because they do a fixed amount of damage based on your weapon, and then that damage scales with your scaling effects. They are technically scaling as stated, but because they are a fixed damage addition, they have varying effectiveness based on how much damage the original power dealt. I outlined the issue awhile back in this thread, since the system does seem unfair https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1235269/inconsistency-of-weapon-enchantments
And, I personally would suggest that the scaling ones provide only a very small additional benefit as compared to the unscaled ones like Vorpal, so as to lessen the burden of gearing up for newer characters to some degree, and to make it clear that having a shiny weapon scaling enchant is really something only for when a character reaches the end of progression, not a must-have requirement for doing ordinary content.
Because I want to spend millions of AD making an enchantment that provides a very small additional benefit... nope.
Contrary to popular belief, currently only CW and GWF can truly benefit from the weapon damage proc based weapon enchantment system. All other classes currently cannot synergize with them enough to use them. Even if all of the weapon enchantment bugs were removed for HR, DC, SW, OP, GF, and TR, the benefits of the weapon damage proc based enchantments would still fall very short of Vorpal/Dread/Feytouched because their base damage is too high in contrast to the base damage of the weapon enchantments.
Well if this is the case, then this sounds like a problem with the weapon enchant scaling, not with whether or not they multiproc on entity powers. If they still suck for all other classes besides GWF and CW, then they weren't scaled right.
So if the devs ( @sgrantdev ) are really going to do this bugfix thing, then let's have the weapon enchants proc consistently - multiproc on entity powers or not, multiproc on bleed/DoT damage or not, I personally don't care, just as long as it's consistent - and scale them appropriately so that they are viable for all classes.
"Not scaling properly" well... that's because they do a fixed amount of damage based on your weapon, and then that damage scales with your scaling effects. They are technically scaling as stated, but because they are a fixed damage addition, they have varying effectiveness based on how much damage the original power dealt. I outlined the issue awhile back in this thread, since the system does seem unfair https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1235269/inconsistency-of-weapon-enchantments
Then perhaps they should be scaled differently so that they don't do a fixed amount of damage based on your weapon. That is my point.
And, I personally would suggest that the scaling ones provide only a very small additional benefit as compared to the unscaled ones like Vorpal, so as to lessen the burden of gearing up for newer characters to some degree, and to make it clear that having a shiny weapon scaling enchant is really something only for when a character reaches the end of progression, not a must-have requirement for doing ordinary content.
Because I want to spend millions of AD making an enchantment that provides a very small additional benefit... nope.
That is what it means to have end-game gear, rather than a mid-game necessity.
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Contrary to popular belief, currently only CW and GWF can truly benefit from the weapon damage proc based weapon enchantment system. All other classes currently cannot synergize with them enough to use them. Even if all of the weapon enchantment bugs were removed for HR, DC, SW, OP, GF, and TR, the benefits of the weapon damage proc based enchantments would still fall very short of Vorpal/Dread/Feytouched because their base damage is too high in contrast to the base damage of the weapon enchantments.
Well if this is the case, then this sounds like a problem with the weapon enchant scaling, not with whether or not they multiproc on entity powers. If they still suck for all other classes besides GWF and CW, then they weren't scaled right.
So if the devs ( @sgrantdev ) are really going to do this bugfix thing, then let's have the weapon enchants proc consistently - multiproc on entity powers or not, multiproc on bleed/DoT damage or not, I personally don't care, just as long as it's consistent - and scale them appropriately so that they are viable for all classes.
And, I personally would suggest that the scaling ones provide only a very small additional benefit as compared to the unscaled ones like Vorpal, so as to lessen the burden of gearing up for newer characters to some degree, and to make it clear that having a shiny weapon scaling enchant is really something only for when a character reaches the end of progression, not a must-have requirement for doing ordinary content.
Balancing ain't Bug Fixes... And Balancing ain't easy either, so it doesn't count for the easy-to-change feedback... And, now pretty much all weapon enchantments see use except maybe Bronzewood, Flaming, and Lifedrinker, so we're at a much better state than earlier. I don't see what you've been trying to point out, but @thefabricant ain't wrong, and there certainly was no GWF hate
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Knee Breaker's DoT component can be stacked multiple times by the same GF. The maximum I have personally seen is 3.
The easiest way to do/reproduce this is to get your GF in a team with high recovery/recharge speed increases, and just spam KB whenever it comes off cooldown.
(*senses angry GFs brigade, hides behind shield*)
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i would like to think that most if not all of us would love to see harder( as in hopefully mechanic wise {tong is a great example of this} ) of the old dungeons like pirate king, karrundax, frozen heart, and others. i know lots have suggested this in the past for a very very long time.
with this u could add things like higher enchantment rank drops say only rank8-9s and tradeable armor drops that are currently relevant even there own versions (nothing special just something new) i have always wanted armors with the stats re arranged on them ( instead of power crit def have lifesteal deflect and recovery for example). i always thought the flooding of a item would help with there cost and sense we are all aiming for rank 13-14 stuff atm so we can even do some of the end game stuff dropping more rank 9-10s would be a great way to do this and allow for new comers not to have to wait nearly a year just to be close to end game.
adding the "Trail" versions of the old stuff can allow u to gives more thing to run but also u can allow for different item level versions of these ex: frozen heart 3 man (think level 45 no ilvl needed ) epic frozen heart ( lvl 70 and 11k+) and frozen heart trail (14k ilvl and lvl 70 mite have slight mechanics added like boss goes immune for few sec wile u have to kill his mobs that spawn ). epic and trail versions would have close to the same drops but for the trail u have way better chances of drops that would prevent u from having to come up with NEW things. you just have to change drop chances. having these work off of average item level would also keep from newer people having a chance at joining.
these are just examples i didn't put to much thought into what they would or can drop i more worried with something more to do dungeon wise and miss my old stuff
i know u kinda want to keep suggestions out of this tread but this is something i know lots have talked about over the last 3 years and would be very nice if it can have its chances to.
Sometimes I just stand still and look at the boss although the button is pressed instead of attacking. I'm sure I'm not the only one with this problem.
The only solution to do damage constantly is to keep pressing the button like there is no tomorrow.
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I know this is mostly a given for any GWF, but just to clarify, I have Sure Strike slotted on that button.
The fact of the matter is, there are only 2 situations where using these enchantments is good. The first is if you can proc it multiple times on a single ability and the second is if the ability coefficient of the base skill that constitutes most of your damage is low. GWF spams at wills for most of their damage and for no other class this is the case, so it means they will be the only class that can benefit from them.
As it currently stands as a CW, I will fully admit that the class relies entirely on procs for damage, which, tbh, kind of sucks. This change is pretty much just a nerf to the CW class and that is it, where a large portion of your damage comes from these entity type powers. If you don't like the fact that CW relies entirely on procs for damage, I can understand the reasoning, I don't either, but unless you intend to completely redesign the class so it can actually do damage without procs, this change isn't warranted.
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You are right that if enchants only procced once per entity-based power, it would seem to most severely impact CW. On the other hand, it seems to me that weapon enchants were never supposed to be this must-have necessity in order to do MAD DEEPZ. Even you must admit that it's a little bit ridiculous that melee strikers such as GWF's are expected to carry with them an AOE enchant like Lightning, AND a *healing* enchant such as Holy Avenger. I would not mind if weapon enchants were restored back to a place where they only gave a small additional damage bonus, not this huge added benefit. The progression pathway is already steep enough, let's not make it so that new and growing characters are expected to have multiple Transcendent (soon to be Unparalleled) enchants in order to be competitive.
Besides, we don't really have weapon enchant diversity now, despite the changes. Before the scaling changes, yes, everyone walked around with either Vorpal or Feytouched, or a debuff enchant like Plague Fire or Terror. Now, what do we have? Vorpal, Lightning, Holy, and Feytouched, or a debuff enchant like Plague Fire or Terror. Still, most of the others are ignored. I think this is because these enchants have too prominent of a role in damage output. If the enchants were nerfed so as to give only a small added benefit, then we would see more diversity of enchants, as it wouldn't matter so much if you had a Lightning or a Flaming or a Bilethorn enchant or what-have-you.
@sgrantdev Suggestion: Rescale weapon enchants such that, at max rank, the total damage from each one (including all secondary effects, such as DoT's) is comparable to each other, and comparable to an unscaled enchant such as Vorpal.
IF they delay to rework the class those changes should not happen.
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1. Death Slaad's active bonus. The Death Slaad's active bonus at Rare (blue) level is preferred over the Death Slaad's active bonus at Epic or Legendary level because of the stacking and exploding in the DoT. At blue level, when you stack the poison, it will keep ticking continuously with no end, as long as you keep stacking. But at epic and legendary companion, the 5 stacks will explode in the DoT, and then the player has to restack the 5 poison stacks all over again. The damage done by the DoT is significantly less than the damage done by the ticking poison.
2. Group Stat Bonus and Random Queues. Given the introduction of Random Queues next mod, the effort to boost parties that might not have similar guild boon bonuses will drop. Those guilds that chose Explorer and run the Group Stat option will find themselves penalized for that boon selection with the new RQ system. If they group with members of their guild to run dungeons, they get penalized on not getting the daily AD bonus. If they go in the RQ system for the daily AD, they are penalized as a player or guild, in having to select a different boon, or making the utility of the group stat boon much less. Consider changing the conditions of the boon (maybe mod 13).
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I am saying that to not feel again in future i abuse a "bug" of the game:)
(sarcasm)
question again if enchants are not supposed to proc from those " entities " why then those entities their damage increases from enchantments like vorpal,feytouched?
SO you are saying i cant proc more than once an enchantment with opressive force but if i use vorpal each hit from opressive force will get boost on critical hit? IS that logic?
Perhaps GWFs benefit *more* from scaling enchants than other classes, but I think that is a far cry from claiming that GWFs would be the *only ones* to use them if entity powers no longer multiprocced scaling weapon enchants, as you initially claimed.
Besides, if the devs listen to my suggestion, all of the weapon enchants would be comparable in terms of their damage output, with perhaps only a slight edge to a few of them. I did not realize Duelist's Flurry did not proc weapon enchants, my apologies. Perhaps they should.
@sgrantdev Suggestion: Duelist's Flurry should proc weapon enchants.
This is objectively just a nerf to every class that isn't a gwf.
The only reason CW can use them right now, is because they proc so many times on their powers. If this interaction is removed, it will make GWF the only class able to use them effectively, with the minor exception of Lightning in AoE situations, since it does do a large amount of damage in AoE for most classes. Duelist's Flurry does proc weapon enchantments, but that's not what he said. He said the bleed (damage over time) doesn't proc weapon enchantments. Even though Duelist's Flurry may not deal very high base damage, the bleed it causes does, which gains no benefit from proc based weapon enchantments. It does gain benefit from the Feytouched buff, and Vorpal, which puts proc based weapon enchantments at a disadvantage from the start.
I am a bit surprised that the devs are not willing to fix/change Storm Spell offhand bonus (which is a minor DPS difference), but are willing to remove a core mechanic from CW (that could potentially remove a 1/3rd of all CW damage). I have asked for consistency when it comes to weapon enchantments for awhile now, but it would shock me greatly if this change were made to CW without compensation (increase to base damages, added multipliers, or something). Especially if the change was made to disable all procs including Aura of Courage and Storm Spell.
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I Said about aura of courage and infatile compensation only maybe they count as " entities".
Wasnt a report a question was.
But no, you are right, it's mainly a nerf to CW, and prevents the buff from ever happening on the fixed Smoke Bomb and Pillar of Power.
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The old weapon enchants, vorpal, dread,
and feytouch, boost every one of your skills by the same percentage. No matter if that skill is a tiny at will or a giant massive daily.
They are all getting boosted by the same percent. So let's say you're using a Vorpal and it's boosting your damage by 20%. A small at will of 1000 damage will have a gain of 200 damage, and a massive daily hitting for 10,000 damage will have a gain of 2,000 damage.
Now you take these redesigned enchants like lightning, terror, etc, they no longer boost your skills damage by a set percentage, but are adding an additional hit. That means smaller, faster strikes will yield better results. The devs attempted to address this issue by adding a ~1.6 multiplier for the enchant on slower skills. So let's take that 1000 damage at will and the 10,000 daily again and use a terror as the enchant. Let's say the terror is doing 200 damage (made up number but makes the comparison easy). Your at-will will deal 1000+200 damage, a gain of 20% damage. but the daily is only going to deal 10000+(200*1.6) for a gain of only 3.2% damage!!
So without skills capable of multi-procing the redesigned enchants....only classes that rely on small individual hits with little/no DoT components (another aspect that only old enchants boost) will be able to use them. Right now, that means ONLY the gwf and gf (on trash portions of the dungeon using WMS spam) can use them
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So if the devs ( @sgrantdev ) are really going to do this bugfix thing, then let's have the weapon enchants proc consistently - multiproc on entity powers or not, multiproc on bleed/DoT damage or not, I personally don't care, just as long as it's consistent - and scale them appropriately so that they are viable for all classes.
And, I personally would suggest that the scaling ones provide only a very small additional benefit as compared to the unscaled ones like Vorpal, so as to lessen the burden of gearing up for newer characters to some degree, and to make it clear that having a shiny weapon scaling enchant is really something only for when a character reaches the end of progression, not a must-have requirement for doing ordinary content.
https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1235269/inconsistency-of-weapon-enchantments Because I want to spend millions of AD making an enchantment that provides a very small additional benefit... nope.
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