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Burnadin - The DPS Devotion Paladin
veywiil
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It is here my friends, the anticipation is over.
Behold the Burnadin in all of it's glory.
Don't refer to it as a healadin please...
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F-FmgmJShq4k1kectqvQcUStwfW2Vm1LKuJiaM7ZnTA
The purpose of this is to provide a solid foundational structure for the math behind the build and the logic of how it works.
As for the build itself it is meant for players that have a fair chunk of time but not money. As most of the damage comes from 3 sources, it is important that you spend time on boons coming from campaigns. As you play with the Burnadin you began to grow and expand the Burnadin to become something other than the original design, which is EXACTLY what you should be doing. The Burnadin can evolve to meet your playstyle and expectations while still being a good basis for a build. The burnadin was never meant to be the best build ever, but will provide the 95% of the player base with a means of getting into dungeons easily providing they have completed the Dread Ring Campaign to start with.
The guide will always be a living document, until I retire it, so changes will occur constantly and the changelog section in the document will reflect what I change in general terms. If you have questions, comments, math verification, or related feedback, leave it here on the forums or contact me in game @veywiil#8685. Feel free to share the google docs link.
It was my humble pleasure to be able to present this to the forums and a number of my peers. I would also like to thank the one person who I look up to on matters of theory crafting in Neverwinter @thefabricant, you greatly inspired me. The other big shoutout goes to @rubytrue who dumped hundreds of hours of their life to help me with testing and running, and crunching numbers. Your a true blessing to my life sir.
Thank you for spending the time to read through this 30+ pages, massive full feature article.
My appreciation,
Jezereal
Behold the Burnadin in all of it's glory.
Don't refer to it as a healadin please...
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F-FmgmJShq4k1kectqvQcUStwfW2Vm1LKuJiaM7ZnTA
The purpose of this is to provide a solid foundational structure for the math behind the build and the logic of how it works.
As for the build itself it is meant for players that have a fair chunk of time but not money. As most of the damage comes from 3 sources, it is important that you spend time on boons coming from campaigns. As you play with the Burnadin you began to grow and expand the Burnadin to become something other than the original design, which is EXACTLY what you should be doing. The Burnadin can evolve to meet your playstyle and expectations while still being a good basis for a build. The burnadin was never meant to be the best build ever, but will provide the 95% of the player base with a means of getting into dungeons easily providing they have completed the Dread Ring Campaign to start with.
The guide will always be a living document, until I retire it, so changes will occur constantly and the changelog section in the document will reflect what I change in general terms. If you have questions, comments, math verification, or related feedback, leave it here on the forums or contact me in game @veywiil#8685. Feel free to share the google docs link.
It was my humble pleasure to be able to present this to the forums and a number of my peers. I would also like to thank the one person who I look up to on matters of theory crafting in Neverwinter @thefabricant, you greatly inspired me. The other big shoutout goes to @rubytrue who dumped hundreds of hours of their life to help me with testing and running, and crunching numbers. Your a true blessing to my life sir.
Thank you for spending the time to read through this 30+ pages, massive full feature article.
My appreciation,
Jezereal
I'm a theorycrafter, that means I can answer fairly deep questions with scientific theory, mathematical proof, and some guessing. Ask me stuff!
Post edited by veywiil#8685 on
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Great foundation you've got with this guide! I know some parts are still a work in progress, but it looks like all the fundamentals are in place. As I tend to see myself as a broken record, Thanks again to you, rubytrue, and oggycz and others for the times you spent testing and to you for taking time put all this data to print. Hoods off!
-Shia-
House Miliskeera in exile (NW)
Sereska Miliskeera, Lvl 70 OP - Devotion (Just.)/Protection (Just.)
Shizlee Miliskeera, Lvl 70 DC - Divine Oracle (Right.)/Anoited Champion (Faith.)
Finithey Miliskeera, Lvl 70 HR - Stormwarden (Combat)/Pathfinder (Trapper)
Maya Sik-Miliskeera, Lvl 70 CW - Spellstorm
Irae Sik-Miliskeera, Lvl 70 TR - Master Inflitrator
Member - Houseclan t'Charvon (STO)
Shiarrael e'Tal'Aura t'Charvon, LvL 60, Rom Sci
S'aana ir'Virinat t'Charvon, Lvl 60, Rom Eng
T'Lyra, LvL 60, Fed, Vul Sci
Ta'el, Lvl 60, Rom Tac
excellent job. Exactly what I was looking for.
game - Human/real life - ???
OP 18k+ Devotion/Justice - Light
Another question, wouldn't damage pets suchs as archons and siege master boost the damage from aura of courage and therefore be optimal choices? What about the wild hunt rider? has it been tested? perhaps BoV/CoP could make it proc a lot and significantly boost AoC damage?
I recommend 2 of the archons if you re-read through the companion section. With loadouts I'd get something that makes sense for both Prot/Devo, and archons make sense, as well as the Energon for this. Siege master is overrated IMO, it's mainly I just don't like anything about him; rather than he's bad to use.
Please do not focus on boosting AoC damage a great deal, HP is the main source of doing that, and debuffing is the other good way, since AoC is flat (from initial testing), it does not seem like things like power which boosts the indirect stat of damage would effect it in anyway whatsoever. Could be wrong, but I seem to recall @thefabricant testing this at one point? This would also line up with BG/HW damage not being increased by damage stat scaling.
Quick ninja edit: I state this is for PC and not console, as we are always ahead of you for patches. I plan to update this regularly so that means that the guide will essentially always be ahead of console, period.
Check out the Shadowknight Build for OP Protection here
[Combat (Self)] Orcus gives 0 (446273) Physical Damage to you with Wand Bash.
[Combat (Self)] Orcus gives 0 (514415) Physical Damage to you with Bash.
[Combat (Self)] Orcus gives 0 (521299) Physical Damage to you with Bash.
[Combat (Self)] Orcus gives 0 (555505) Physical Damage to you with Wand Sweep.
[Combat (Self)] Orcus deals 64883 (648828) Physical Damage to you with Wand Bash.
game - Human/real life - ???
OP 18k+ Devotion/Justice - Light
Thanks for the effort
Edit: having rolled a Human OP I had 3 Heroic Feat Points to allocate and I chose to put them into Impassioned Pleas (aka faster Tab recharge). I thought this was the optimal choice since the other valid option would have been the Charisma-to-Crit feat which didn't seem too appealing since Crit isn't a main stat in this build.
Edit:. I went back and checked and it was actually Sharpedge's pally guide where I saw that. He was of the opinion that impassioned pleas did not work at all and was a waste.
The point of the Burnadin is to heal and dps and tank at the same time without making major sacrifices. It works very well until you reach a point where you believe something else suits your playstyle better. The Burnadin was meant to be a standard build that you spec into to be the jack of all trades, master of none. You will be out dps'ed, and out tanked in certain situations by other builds or classes. But you are providing support in every area possible, by making sure party members don't go down by tanking, that you are helping with the dps and the run, and that you are keeping folks alive via heals.
The Burnadin works better at lower Item Levels (<15k IL) with more focus on boons. If you are spending the time to do your Dread Ring, and Storm King Thunder campaigns and their associated quests, without spending much money on the game this guide works well, as those boons do flat damage, so increasing your item level or power won't help out their dps, and they are 2 of your 3 main sources. The burnadin is a intermediary step on your way to reaching a perfect build that is comfortable to you, and fits your playstyle. Endgame content is NOT challenging by any means, this is meant to lower the 'floor' so that more paladins can enter and do well in 6,600 dungeons all the way up to the endgame content.
Does that make the Burnadin bad endgame? Not by any means, by certainly is not it's main focus, as it tries to help you do everything in all the content. If you have some time, but not a lot of money this is a good build for a variety of Item Levels. If you plan on dumping $10,000 into the game, to reach endgame, perhaps this is an intermediary step on your way there.
Edit: With loadouts remember you don't have to choose whether you want to be stuck with something like a Burnadin or a Tankadin with power sharing. You can have both.
I also edited the original post to have a description and intent of the guide without having to click on the link.
In addition I will shortly be including some weapon enchants and testing numbers, I recommend straying away from plague fire at the moment.
However AoC, and most of our damage abilities and things like weapon enchants do benefit from the damage % increase. This will boost our damage. This can be significant but not earth-shattering like for other DPS classes. This means in comparison to other full dps classes we will fall behind each mod, unless we find either a way to increase our flat damage, or we get a new source of flat damage. This is a risk of using the build, and one I continue to weigh as time goes by and new content is released. Until we reach such a point where this build becomes NOT useful to the target audience (of lower IL players <13k with a chunk of time but not money), I will continue to change the build which is based around 2 sources of flat damage as more than 50% of our dps. Good question.
@trzebiat#2067 beat me to the punch line by 4 minutes since I like to type walls of text apparently. What he said is true, and one of the factors in the 'Our Kryptonite' section of the guide, we do steady dps over time, if you reduce the time we have, we can't adapt well to that. Which is fine, given the target audience of the guide. After 13k IL though, you really start to see other classes do FANTASTIC with burst dps, so we just don't seem as glamorous because of that.
I had this whole wall of text explaining in a lot of detail. The summary is we lose out on dps compared to other classes because we have flat sources of damage that don't scale off of power taking up a majority of our DPS %. We can increase our damage through power thanks to AoC and other means, but it is not as substantial as other classes, so you will see them out perform both as IL goes up, and as the time it takes to run content goes down.
It does bother me I lost like 3 paragraphs though into nowhere...
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House Miliskeera in exile (NW)
Sereska Miliskeera, Lvl 70 OP - Devotion (Just.)/Protection (Just.)
Shizlee Miliskeera, Lvl 70 DC - Divine Oracle (Right.)/Anoited Champion (Faith.)
Finithey Miliskeera, Lvl 70 HR - Stormwarden (Combat)/Pathfinder (Trapper)
Maya Sik-Miliskeera, Lvl 70 CW - Spellstorm
Irae Sik-Miliskeera, Lvl 70 TR - Master Inflitrator
Member - Houseclan t'Charvon (STO)
Shiarrael e'Tal'Aura t'Charvon, LvL 60, Rom Sci
S'aana ir'Virinat t'Charvon, Lvl 60, Rom Eng
T'Lyra, LvL 60, Fed, Vul Sci
Ta'el, Lvl 60, Rom Tac
House Miliskeera in exile (NW)
Sereska Miliskeera, Lvl 70 OP - Devotion (Just.)/Protection (Just.)
Shizlee Miliskeera, Lvl 70 DC - Divine Oracle (Right.)/Anoited Champion (Faith.)
Finithey Miliskeera, Lvl 70 HR - Stormwarden (Combat)/Pathfinder (Trapper)
Maya Sik-Miliskeera, Lvl 70 CW - Spellstorm
Irae Sik-Miliskeera, Lvl 70 TR - Master Inflitrator
Member - Houseclan t'Charvon (STO)
Shiarrael e'Tal'Aura t'Charvon, LvL 60, Rom Sci
S'aana ir'Virinat t'Charvon, Lvl 60, Rom Eng
T'Lyra, LvL 60, Fed, Vul Sci
Ta'el, Lvl 60, Rom Tac
Smite is a good dps option, and I know a lot of Healadins/Burnadins that LOVE using, it's not a personal favorite. I do recommend using it if you don't like Burning Light. Divine Judgment always does a lot of damage, and if you want to sacrifice your tankiness for damage you can, we do fill a healer slot after all.
I don't personally like playing like that, where you do a ton more dps, but lose the ability to tank. If it fits your playstyle, then good, after all play what makes you happy!